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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
I"ve got a good engine,, but it is gas.
Have thought about going the diesel route.. Since the fall is just starting :: where would/should I start looking for a good 20hp diesel for a sailboat? Would like to find a good used one,, but it not used .. where is the best new dealer place? Seems like everyone I know has a Yanmar. |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:10:53 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
wrote: I"ve got a good engine,, but it is gas. Have thought about going the diesel route.. Since the fall is just starting :: where would/should I start looking for a good 20hp diesel for a sailboat? Would like to find a good used one,, but it not used .. where is the best new dealer place? Seems like everyone I know has a Yanmar. I assume you have an Atomic 4? If it's running well I'd leave it alone. You will never find a more reliable, easy to work on engine. A new Yanmar, dealer installed, will probably be more than $10K. Mack Boring is one of their main distributors in the North East but any good diesel mechanic in your area should know how to get one. Used prices are all over the place but you have to be suspicious about condition. Unless the boat has been totaled (without sinking), why would anyone get rid of a good running diesel? One possible used source is a generator shop. People sometimes replace generators for reasons other than a worn out engine. You will have to locate a matching transmission, control panel, engine mounts, etc. Unless you can get it close to free, probably more trouble than it's worth. |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
On 2008-08-24 09:10:53 -0400, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
said: I"ve got a good engine,, but it is gas. Have thought about going the diesel route.. Since the fall is just starting :: where would/shæould I start looking for a good 20hp diesel for a sailboat? Would like to find a good used one,, but it not used .. where is the best new dealer place? Seems like everyone I know has a Yanmar. We repowered with a Yanmar and couldn't be happier 16 seasons later. BUT, if I were to do it again, I'd upgrade a working gas engine or switch to a rebuilt drop-in diesel, as the Yanmar, professionally installed, would cost somewhat upwards of $15k these days. IF you can justify the cost over your expected use of the boat, I'd go for a modern diesel, but expect to replace everything from the batteries and cables to the exhaust. If you want to improve an existing engine, perhaps the best investment is a new prop. The new ones are considerably better than those of 20-30 years ago. CDI's composite props are SWEET! -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
"Gogarty" wrote in message ... Friend of ours had an Atomic 4 in a Triton yawl. Even had a Monel fuel tank. However, the engine kepy giving all kinds of problems, mostly leaking gasoline, even though he swapped out his original engine for a newer used one from another boat. (That owner planned the Pardee thing -- cruising without an engine.) Eventually my friend bought a Yanmar at a boat show for a show-special $5,000 and installed it himself over a winter. Gave away the Atomic 4. That boat has been to the Canaries and back and is still going strong. == Gogarty,, I have had excellent luck with my AT4. This is the third one I've owned. But::: As anyone who has ever sailed onboard a boat with an AT4 can attest, things can go wrong. Mostly, electric. The AT4 being a gas engine, has spark plugs, dist cap, ... etc. That stuff does not like moisture. The other big issue which is new to us gas engine owners, is the gasoline.. ethanol .. situation. This spring I pumped out my tank, the eth made the gas dirty, or at least helped it become dirty. What a pain. I had to pump out the gas, change the fuel pump, on and on... Another reason for looking at a Yanmar, is the simplicity of operation and the fact that there are so many of them out there. The boatyard where I store? Almost every sailboat there has a Yanmar diesel. So... I will start the lets see what's out there period. I did find a place out at the Great Lakes,, the guy rebuilds diesels for sailboats. He has a bunch of Universals diesels. Who knows... I haven't really finished this season yet. Thanks for the input. |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:10:52 -0400, Gogarty
wrote: Friend of ours had an Atomic 4 in a Triton yawl. Even had a Monel fuel tank. However, the engine kepy giving all kinds of problems, mostly leaking gasoline, even though he swapped out his original engine for a newer used one from another boat. (That owner planned the Pardee thing -- cruising without an engine.) Eventually my friend bought a Yanmar at a boat show for a show-special $5,000 and installed it himself over a winter. Gave away the Atomic 4. That boat has been to the Canaries and back and is still going strong. When I was in the USAF at Charleston, I met a guy at the marina. He had a wooden ex Channel pilot boat. He had crossed the Atlantic, single handed, to get his hands on a used Atomic Four for free. Casady |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
"Gogarty" wrote in message ... Friend of ours had an Atomic 4 in a Triton yawl. Even had a Monel fuel tank. However, the engine kepy giving all kinds of problems, mostly leaking gasoline, even though he swapped out his original engine for a newer used one from another boat. (That owner planned the Pardee thing -- cruising without an engine.) Eventually my friend bought a Yanmar at a boat show for a show-special $5,000 and installed it himself over a winter. Gave away the Atomic 4. That boat has been to the Canaries and back and is still going strong. That is good because Yanmar spares are very expensive. |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:56:45 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light"
wrote: As anyone who has ever sailed onboard a boat with an AT4 can attest, things can go wrong. Mostly, electric. The AT4 being a gas engine, has spark plugs, dist cap, ... etc. That stuff does not like moisture. All true but they are inexpensive and easy to replace. Nothing on a diesel is inexpensive or easy to replace once you get past the fuel filter and raw water impeller. |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:22:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:56:45 GMT, "Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote: As anyone who has ever sailed onboard a boat with an AT4 can attest, things can go wrong. Mostly, electric. The AT4 being a gas engine, has spark plugs, dist cap, ... etc. That stuff does not like moisture. All true but they are inexpensive and easy to replace. Nothing on a diesel is inexpensive or easy to replace once you get past the fuel filter and raw water impeller. Wonder if that will soon change. Seems to me there's really nothing special about manufacturing diesels over gas engines. Sure, they're different, but the big cost difference doesn't make sense except in terms of volume reducing costs maybe, and lack of competition. I guess the demand side is just too low now. Larry picked up a pretty cheap Chinese genset, but air-cooled. I thought Europe had a lot of diesel cars, and I wonder what the price premium over a gas engine if for those. Those Yanmar prices just seem out of whack. --Vic |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
Vic Smith wrote in
: Those Yanmar prices just seem out of whack. If stupid Yanmar weren't so greedy in the USA, we'd be driving around with YANMAR diesel OUTBOARDS. But, alas, even people with money balk when you want $12K for 27hp....how stupid. |
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KInda a maybe question .. new diesel ??
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:52:23 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: Wonder if that will soon change. Seems to me there's really nothing special about manufacturing diesels over gas engines. Actually I don't believe that is entirely correct. For one, the injection systems are built to very high degree of precision. Also the compression ratio is much higher which requires much beefier engineering of bearings, cranks, head gaskets, etc. You might recall that General Motors tried to build diesel cars like automotive engines back in the early 80s. They were a disaster. |
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