In article , Dave wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:38:48 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

Leave the Poles out of your feble attempts at sounding credible.

Time to get a life, Bob.

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

You missed feeble for feble.

Justin.

--
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:30:16 -0400, said:

English is a second language for you?

Gee, Dave. I wasn't aware that statements end with a question mark,
either. Is English a second language for you?

They don't. A question mark indicates that the speaker is asking a
question.
You also have trouble with the English grammar? g


The "that" in your second sentence above is extraneous. Indicates that?
Duh!

"A question mark indicates the speaker is asking a question" is the correct
way to express the thought you tried and failed to express succinctly. But,
then again, there never was a lawyer who was succinct. It's just not in
their nature. Their nature is to be verbose blowhards.

You did not matriculate perhaps? Or failed to obtain a passing grade in
elementary English?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0000, Justin C
said:

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

You missed feeble for feble.

I never claimed to be a great proof reader.

Duh! One word, stupid! It's proofreader!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:14:12 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0000, Justin C
said:

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

You missed feeble for feble.

I never claimed to be a great proof reader.

Duh! One word, stupid! It's proofreader!

My ma was a linotype operator and also did proofreading as a side job.
American Medical Journal and Playboy among others.
Hot type, days now gone by.
Surprising how many typos and grammar mistakes get into publications
nowadays. Not that I'm even close to an expert, but I find them
pretty often. And make them of course.

--Vic

On Aug 27, 6:24*am, Dave wrote:

Time to get a life, Bob.

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

English is a second language for you?

Nope just one of a few ive had to use along with:
Polish
Japanesee
Spanish
Korean
Russian
Coonass
Texan
Academic
Republican

I got a life dave; a rather enjoyable one too.
Lest see what did Bob do today...... O yes, made a killer cup of
coffee, walked down town and checked my mail. chated with some people,
walked back home, made some humas and cooked some bread in my cast
iron skillet for lunch. After lunch I took a big Dave and wiped my
ass.

your attention to detail reflesct your robotnic approach to our
language. If I had to venture a guess id say you went to shcool in an
area or time that stressed rules to guide writting along with phonics
or was that fonix? So how far back do we need to go to fulfill your
desire to cling to correct usage? How bout the 1950s but why not the
teens but maybe to be reallly correct we should conform to Olde
English and use thoust and whilst? and god forbid the terrible misuse
of contractions such as, "don't" instead of using the correct form "do
not."

If you had any background in writing you would see the obvious
patterns in my "miscues" But alas they are invisable to the common
reader. Yes, I do have an aflection that, when not self edited,
reflects a predictable pattern but you only see "mistakes" to be
ticked by the teacher's RED pencle.

Bob

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:03 -0500, Vic Smith
said:

I never claimed to be a great proof reader.

Duh! One word, stupid! It's proofreader!

Still smarting over your ignorance of the English grammar Wilbur?



I should smart over being correct? Hardly.

Dave, you should be smarting over having had your public blunder corrected.

So, smart some more over the fact that you used 'grammar' when you should
have used 'diction.'

I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard

On 2008-08-27 17:16:03 -0400, Vic Smith said:

My ma was a linotype operator and also did proofreading as a side job.
American Medical Journal and Playboy among others.
Hot type, days now gone by.

That was my grandfather's profession. Hands were so callused that he
could roll molten lead around the palms of his hands, I'm told. (That
would have been before 1920, so well before my time.)

Surprising how many typos and grammar mistakes get into publications
nowadays. Not that I'm even close to an expert, but I find them
pretty often. And make them of course.

There was something to be said about being slowed down by the existing
stone-age technology. Even on a typewriter, we had to pay closer
attention, as one mistake might require us to retype the whole page.
Oh, the auto-correcting Selectrics (or was it the Olivettis?) were such
a step up.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On Aug 27, 3:33*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

If you had any background in writing

I'm tempted to tell you. But I won't.


Please,
Im actually sinserly interested. I find great pleasure associating a
persons work history with their current beliefs regarding our language/
writing/speaking.
Scout's Honor !

Have you ever had an ephermeral sailing mag publish a boating article?
Newspaper articles?
10th grade english teacher?
the worst kind...... a technical writer???
Oh, a NOAA weather report wirter
No.. one better..... WR 222 at a community college ! (aka ESL)
Bob

On 2008-08-27 22:49:32 -0400, Bob said:

Have you ever had an ephermeral sailing mag publish a boating article?
Newspaper articles?
10th grade english teacher?
the worst kind...... a technical writer???
Oh, a NOAA weather report wirter
No.. one better..... WR 222 at a community college ! (aka ESL)

CNN.com is the one that sets my teeth on edge. Not sure they have
editors/proofreaders there.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Well, believe it or not, here I am again, responding to Wilbur (who,
despite the many sling-wielders does, occasionally, contribute more
than even my bandwidth [which I recognize to be immense], providing
the momentary benefits of tidbits).

O great teacher, I have a follow-on question...

Duh! When making the sheets fast leave a bit of a bight in the knot.
Fit the spinnaker pole clip to the bight in the sheet. Size the
bight so it fits snugly and there will be little or no chafe.

I use a continuous sheet. I secure it to the clew using a figure 8
knot. The bight I use is the looped end of the figure 8.


We use a continuous sheet as well, and every so often undo it and move
it around to help spread the wear load. However, that was before the
chafe of the subject post...

Ours isn't a figure 8, and even if it were, I'm not getting the
picture on a loop, not running tight as the sheets are used. I don't
know that we'd use that modus; a primary reason for the original post
had to do with the ability to reef the genny, or even stow it, without
having to deal with the pole, should conditions get snotty enough to
make you wish you weren't on deck.

As to a workaround using a short piece of line mentioned elsewhere,
that's exactly how I overcame the broken bail on the pole; we could
easily do the same with the clew, if we were willing to give up the
reefing convenience.

Yesterday was nearly an all-day spinnaker run (from Martha's Vineyard
to Block Island), but we only have an asym. We did, in fact, jibe it,
as you'll see on the SPOT page should you care to look at it.
Eventually we became overpowered and put it down in favor of the
genny, making it just before dark. Started in the forecast 10-15 NE,
full sails, then died so put up the asym wing and wing; ghosted along,
making me think we weren't going to get there before dark, but
eventually the wind picked up enough that I struck the main and we
did, in fact, make it anchor-down just before dark.

More later on that in my next log post, prolly following Labor day...

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
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Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We
can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet
through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily. We
have a topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As we
always use it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by
markings on the guys, placing it in the same position each time.
The pole rides on a mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that
the sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach
to the clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing
the sheets?


I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard.