Responding to my own thread, (for latecomers, the question was how to
avoid sheet chafe on a poled-out genoa - I left the original below for
the curious) I have the solution:

Talking with a Seven Seas Cruising Association Commodore who's
anchored next to us yesterday, we learned the way he did his pole. I
see no reason it would not cure our problem.

He'd been wing/wing on an Atlantic passage, for days at a time. He
used a snatch block to the pole jaw, with the sheet passing through
the block, rather than the jaw.

You could still furl with the pole in place, pull the pin if you had
to unhook quickly, but had no chafe issues.

Thanks for all the contributors to this thread. I'll try to come back
with a log posting sometime soon, but we're too busy lately to take
the time. Today is resew (restitch) the MackPack, redo the lazy jacks
locations, and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new
main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens
catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances.

--
L8R

Skip

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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations.
We can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the
sheet through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily.
We have a topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As
we always use it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by
markings on the guys, placing it in the same position each time.
The pole rides on a mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that
the sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach
to the clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid
chafing the sheets?

"Skip Gundlach" wrote

..... and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new main
sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens catch on
the way up, others being mere nuisances.


If you find a way to keep battens from catching on lazy jacks on a marconi
main, other that hoisting quickly exactly when the wind centers the sail,
please let me know what it is.

I've rigged my lazy jacks to stow out of the way secured under the reefing
hooks and set them up just before lowering. It's quick and easy but might
not be on a larger boat with a bimini. I've recently experimented with
hoisting with the lazy jacks set up. It works well with a crew briefed to
steer so the main centers but I do a lot of single handed hoisting in the
tight quarters of the harbor so usually just let the sail dump on the cabin
top so I can hoist quickly without being exactly head to wind. Even though
the sheet is free, the sail doesn't seem to center between the jacks unless
there is a helmsman steering the boat back and forth.

BTW are you going to turn SPOT back on?

--
Roger Long

Hi, Roger, et. al.,

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Skip Gundlach" wrote

..... and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new
main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens
catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances.


If you find a way to keep battens from catching on lazy jacks on a
marconi main, other that hoisting quickly exactly when the wind
centers the sail, please let me know what it is.

I've rigged my lazy jacks to stow out of the way secured under the
reefing hooks and set them up just before lowering. It's quick and
easy but might not be on a larger boat with a bimini. I've
recently experimented with hoisting with the lazy jacks set up. It
works well with a crew briefed to steer so the main centers but I do
a lot of single handed hoisting in the tight quarters of the harbor
so usually just let the sail dump on the cabin top so I can hoist
quickly without being exactly head to wind. Even though the sheet
is free, the sail doesn't seem to center between the jacks unless
there is a helmsman steering the boat back and forth.


The problem with my sail is that Sail Care disregarded our very
detailed discussions and instructions and CUT OPEN the closed pockets
we had ordered (it could have been as they altered it, free), and
added Velcro pulls for adjustment. The specific I instructed was to
just use the battslides' bolt tensioner.

That protrusion, past the end of the sail, plus the fact that the
batten now protrudes from the surface of the sail, is what catches.
With any port wind, they foul. With a starboard wind, there's no
problem, because the sail itself doesn't catch. Then, of course, they
had the nerve to charge me for it, as well as another element which
could have been done at the factory/loft, free, and, then, adding
insult to injury, instead of using the intermediate, bolt-on slides,
they taped standard slides through the (half as many as ordered,
making flaking a real PITA) grommets (would have been free from the
loft) they also installed and charged me for.

I also have the ability to drop and pull parallel to the sail cover
the jacks; if I can't solve my problem, just dropping the starboard
side would cure it. I'm just ****ed and curse him every time I have
to raise the sail. Dropping it, with the strong track system I
installed, is literally, in an emergency, a matter of freeing the
halyard and letting go - it's down in less than a second. To be fair,
I've not tried it under stress (windy, not into the wind) but I'd
expect the same results.

However, given the butcher job they did on my slides' locations (far
too few, regardless of sewn or bolted), the bottom ~20" - and all the
way to the top at ~15" - folds (that's 40" down to "only" 30" between
slides!) don't flake nicely, and the battens usually don't lay flat,
or are inverted from the proper position. Now that I've redone the
lazy jacks, flaking it as I come down is much easier, but the new
locations have the ability to catch each and every batten, DAMMIT, MF,
!Q@#$%^&*

If they'd just done it as specified, I would not have the problem.
So, as to yours, a solution which I'm considering may also work;
sewing some sort of flap over the Velcro protrusions so that there's
no crevice in the sail/batten point.

BTW are you going to turn SPOT back on?

--
Roger Long

We'll not turn on spot again until we're moving; then, we'll try your
sequence and hope for the best.

--
L8R

Skip

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(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its
hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts."
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