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Pole-ish joke
Responding to my own thread, (for latecomers, the question was how to
avoid sheet chafe on a poled-out genoa - I left the original below for the curious) I have the solution: Talking with a Seven Seas Cruising Association Commodore who's anchored next to us yesterday, we learned the way he did his pole. I see no reason it would not cure our problem. He'd been wing/wing on an Atlantic passage, for days at a time. He used a snatch block to the pole jaw, with the sheet passing through the block, rather than the jaw. You could still furl with the pole in place, pull the pin if you had to unhook quickly, but had no chafe issues. Thanks for all the contributors to this thread. I'll try to come back with a log posting sometime soon, but we're too busy lately to take the time. Today is resew (restitch) the MackPack, redo the lazy jacks locations, and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances. -- L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ... Well, not a joke... We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily. We have a topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As we always use it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by markings on the guys, placing it in the same position each time. The pole rides on a mast track on the other end. However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that the sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe. So, a couple of questions... Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach to the clew), is there a better way to rig? Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing the sheets? |
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"Skip Gundlach" wrote
..... and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances. If you find a way to keep battens from catching on lazy jacks on a marconi main, other that hoisting quickly exactly when the wind centers the sail, please let me know what it is. I've rigged my lazy jacks to stow out of the way secured under the reefing hooks and set them up just before lowering. It's quick and easy but might not be on a larger boat with a bimini. I've recently experimented with hoisting with the lazy jacks set up. It works well with a crew briefed to steer so the main centers but I do a lot of single handed hoisting in the tight quarters of the harbor so usually just let the sail dump on the cabin top so I can hoist quickly without being exactly head to wind. Even though the sheet is free, the sail doesn't seem to center between the jacks unless there is a helmsman steering the boat back and forth. BTW are you going to turn SPOT back on? -- Roger Long |
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Hi, Roger, et. al.,
"Roger Long" wrote in message ... "Skip Gundlach" wrote ..... and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances. If you find a way to keep battens from catching on lazy jacks on a marconi main, other that hoisting quickly exactly when the wind centers the sail, please let me know what it is. I've rigged my lazy jacks to stow out of the way secured under the reefing hooks and set them up just before lowering. It's quick and easy but might not be on a larger boat with a bimini. I've recently experimented with hoisting with the lazy jacks set up. It works well with a crew briefed to steer so the main centers but I do a lot of single handed hoisting in the tight quarters of the harbor so usually just let the sail dump on the cabin top so I can hoist quickly without being exactly head to wind. Even though the sheet is free, the sail doesn't seem to center between the jacks unless there is a helmsman steering the boat back and forth. The problem with my sail is that Sail Care disregarded our very detailed discussions and instructions and CUT OPEN the closed pockets we had ordered (it could have been as they altered it, free), and added Velcro pulls for adjustment. The specific I instructed was to just use the battslides' bolt tensioner. That protrusion, past the end of the sail, plus the fact that the batten now protrudes from the surface of the sail, is what catches. With any port wind, they foul. With a starboard wind, there's no problem, because the sail itself doesn't catch. Then, of course, they had the nerve to charge me for it, as well as another element which could have been done at the factory/loft, free, and, then, adding insult to injury, instead of using the intermediate, bolt-on slides, they taped standard slides through the (half as many as ordered, making flaking a real PITA) grommets (would have been free from the loft) they also installed and charged me for. I also have the ability to drop and pull parallel to the sail cover the jacks; if I can't solve my problem, just dropping the starboard side would cure it. I'm just ****ed and curse him every time I have to raise the sail. Dropping it, with the strong track system I installed, is literally, in an emergency, a matter of freeing the halyard and letting go - it's down in less than a second. To be fair, I've not tried it under stress (windy, not into the wind) but I'd expect the same results. However, given the butcher job they did on my slides' locations (far too few, regardless of sewn or bolted), the bottom ~20" - and all the way to the top at ~15" - folds (that's 40" down to "only" 30" between slides!) don't flake nicely, and the battens usually don't lay flat, or are inverted from the proper position. Now that I've redone the lazy jacks, flaking it as I come down is much easier, but the new locations have the ability to catch each and every batten, DAMMIT, MF, !Q@#$%^&* If they'd just done it as specified, I would not have the problem. So, as to yours, a solution which I'm considering may also work; sewing some sort of flap over the Velcro protrusions so that there's no crevice in the sail/batten point. BTW are you going to turn SPOT back on? -- Roger Long We'll not turn on spot again until we're moving; then, we'll try your sequence and hope for the best. -- L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
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