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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP Has Arrived!
"Jay" wrote in message ... Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard and you only have ONE on yours. LOL. -Jay I just read the specs and that thing is way heavy. 30 pounds for a 2.5 HP? YIKES! https://secure.suzuki.com/marine/_m/brochures/df2.5.pdf I used to have a 3.5 HP Mariner two-stroke vintage 1995. It weighed 19 pounds. And they call this four stroke heavyweight progress? Gimme a break! Wilbur Hubbard |
#112
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On Fri, 16 May 08, Jay wrote:
Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard and you only have ONE on yours. My entire life I've heard the expression "Lucky as a two dick dog" but I don't think I've ever heard of a 2 pee hole outboard lol! Not saying it's not possible though, I don't know anything about Suzuki. I have a small Honda though with two holes like that but one is a tell tale and the other is a carb drain. But if you're tell tale is squirting water, your pump is deep enough in the bucket. With only a 5 gallon bucket though, I'd make sure it's spuirting back in the bucket and not on the ground. You could end up pumping your cooling water out of the bucket ;-) Sounds like you have it under control though. But I agree with the suggestion to read your owners manual. Rick |
#113
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP Has Arrived! (And the cooling system isworking!)
Okay, I took the advice and re-read my owner's manual and found that
Suzuki calls the two tiny holes I described earlier the "pilot holes." And yes, they are what others have been referring to as the pee hole(s) and/or tell-tale hole(s) as they serve the same purpose. According to the manual, when water is squirting out of these two little holes while the motor is running, it indicates the cooling system is working properly. So it sounds like that mystery is solved. Thanks again for the reminder. -Jay |
#114
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On May 17, 4:21*am, wrote:
I just checked, and can't find the owners manual for your outboard on the Suzuki website. It sounds odd that there would be 2 tell tales. Very odd. I'd really double check that in the manual. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx That's where I got it from...the Suzuki owner's manual, complete with a diagram showing two streams of water squirting out of the pilot holes. (Page 21 of manual). On that page, under "cooling water check" it states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating properly. However, cooling system operation can be confirmed as follows: 1---Place the shift selector lever in the neutral position with the motor idling. 2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without stopping in any one throttle position. 3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. If water is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer. It then states: CAUTION Never operate your outboard motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or severe damage can result. Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch operates properly. You have now read exactly the same thing as I have read since I lifted it word-for-word from the official owner's manual for the Suzuki DF2.5 outboard motor. The Suzuki owner's manual is part #99011-97J02-03B. -Jay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The tell tale does not completely guarantee that the engine is being cooled, but it does show that the pump is at least working and sending water up as far as the tell-tale. If the water passages in the engine itself are blocked, the tell tale will actually pee HARDER. If the pump is allowed to run while dry, the impeller is damaged or destroyed within seconds, as in less than a minute. If I owned a motor that either was started for just an instant without the leg in water, or saw no water from the tell tale after a couple of seconds, I would automatically replace the impeller without any further debate. I carry a spare impeller or two on the mothership at all times. They are a lot less expensive than a motor rebuild or replacement. You should plan on replacing the impeller every other season regardless of anything else, including whether the motor was even used or not. It's not a hard job, but it's an important bit of maintenance.- Hide quoted text - |
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP Has Arrived!
Jay wrote:
"Water is NOT normally discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating properly. Salty wrote: Truly bizarre. Especially when coupled with the part that says: "Never operate your outboard motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holest". I think the same guy writes the Honda manuals ;-) Rick |
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP Has Arrived! (And the cooling system is working!)
On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:09:12 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote: when water is squirting out of these two little holes while the motor is running, it indicates the cooling system is working properly. So it sounds like that mystery is solved. Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre". I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about. |
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On May 17, 8:40*am, wrote:
Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre". I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual. I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about. I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. I agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are necessarily in error. The manual states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating properly. However, cooling system operation can be confirmed as follows: 1---Place the shift selector lever in the NEUTRAL position with the motor idling. 2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without stopping in any one throttle position. 3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. If water is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer." It then states: CAUTION Never OPERATE (perhaps they are referring to having the motor in GEAR, not NEUTRAL as stated above) your outboard motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or severe damage can result. Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch operates properly. Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the cooling system? -Jay |
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP Has Arrived! (And the cooling system is working!)
"Wayne.B" wrote in message news I've run my 20 horse Honda in a 5 gallon pail when no other choice was available. Just curious. Why would you do that? Don't you realize that 4-stroke outboards store almost indefinitely without needing to be run to keep the piston from corroding and seizing to the cylinder? It's because the cylinder and rings and piston are bathed by pure oil and not some diluted mist like in a two-stroke motor. Also, most of the time a single cylinder four-stroke engine, due to camshaft configuration, will stop with the piston at or near TDC with the valves closed. This effectively seals the innards from corrosion causing moisture. -- Gregory Hall -- Gregory Hall |
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The Suzuki DF2.5 HP Has Arrived! (And the cooling system isworking!)
On May 17, 3:02*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 17 May 2008 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT), Jay wrote: On May 17, 8:40*am, wrote: Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! *I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre". I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual. I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about. I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. *I agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are necessarily in error. The manual states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. *Water is not normally discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating properly. *However, cooling system operation can be confirmed as follows: 1---Place the shift selector lever in the NEUTRAL position with the motor idling. 2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without stopping in any one throttle position. 3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. *If water is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer." It then states: *CAUTION *Never OPERATE (perhaps they are referring to having the motor in GEAR, not NEUTRAL as stated above) your outboard motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or severe damage can result. *Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch operates properly. Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the cooling system? -Jay The purpose of a tell-tale, regardless of what you want to call it, is to be a CONSTANT indicator that the water pump is working. So it makes no difference in this particular Suzuki model, first designed and manufactured in 2006, whether or not the engine is under load (i.e. in gear as opposed to idling in neutral) as to the necessity of the water pump squirting water out of the pilot holes? That is why ALL small outboards have them. If Suzuki has built an engine with a tell tale, pilot hole, or pee-hole that does not emit water under ALL operating conditions then the only answer is that they made a big mistake in their design, and should issue a recall to rectify it. So therefore it's not at all possible that a new design created just 18-24 months ago by Suzuki could have created a motor that is not like ALL other motors and that no mistake at all was made? There is no good reason on earth why the cooling water indicator on an outboard should ever stop squirting while the motor is running. That's a potentially fatal flaw. Or perhaps there is no good reason I. you or several others can think of at this time? Not trying to disagree with what you're saying but just keeping an open mind. I've found that I get used to things being a certain way in other matters and sometimes have difficulty accepting they could be done differently and be just as good, and not necessarily "wrong." I guess the best way to resolve this issue is perhaps to write American Suzuki Marine, P.O. Box 1100, Brea, CA 92822 and give 'em the what for...lol. Tell you what. I'll take the boat out soon, putt around the lake and if no water squirts out all the time and the motor seizes up, I'll feed it to Suzuki for lunch. If I putt around the lake and water doesn't squirt out all the time and nothing overheats and/or seizes up, I guess then I'll know that they didn't screw up and they did design a motor to operate exactly as stated in the manual and that all other fears basesd on other outboard motors are therefore groundless. Does that sound reasonable? -Jay |
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