On May 16, 6:34*am, wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 04:53:24 -0700 (PDT), Jay

wrote:

On May 16, 3:34*am, wrote: As long as you got a stream
of water out of the pee-hole, you have no worries about how deep of a
bucket you used.

So that's what those two little tiny adjacent holes higher up on
the shaft are called? *There was a stream of water coming out of them.
*Why is water coming out there? *If you guessed I'm an outboard
newbie, you guessed right.
-Jay

The pee-hole, also called the "tell-tale" is a single hole or little rubber tube sticking out on the underside of the engine cover. It should always ALWAYS have a steady stream of water coming out of it from within about one second of when you start the engine and whenever it is running at any RPM. If not, immediately shut down and investigate. I think you had better put everything on hold and go read your owners manual very carefully before you break something.

Actually, the two tiny adjacent holes I spoke about that are 19"
above the center of the prop and about 4.5": below the motor are
apparently the so-called "pee holes" and/or "tell-tale" holes on that
particular model (DF2.5) of Suzuki outboard. And yes, as I stated
before, water is squirting out of those during test operation in the
water bucket. And from what I've surmised, this ejection of water
through those two little holes indicates that the water pump is
functioning correctly and if it weren't, then, since it's a water-
cooled motor, serious overheating and/or damage could occur. Am I
right on these points?

Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard
and you only have ONE on yours. LOL.
-Jay

"Jay" wrote in message
...
Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard
and you only have ONE on yours. LOL.
-Jay




I just read the specs and that thing is way heavy. 30 pounds for a 2.5 HP?
YIKES!

https://secure.suzuki.com/marine/_m/brochures/df2.5.pdf


I used to have a 3.5 HP Mariner two-stroke vintage 1995. It weighed 19
pounds. And they call this four stroke heavyweight progress? Gimme a break!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 16 May 08, Jay wrote:
Now don't be jealous because I have TWO pee holes on my outboard
and you only have ONE on yours.

My entire life I've heard the expression "Lucky as a two dick dog" but
I don't think I've ever heard of a 2 pee hole outboard lol! Not saying
it's not possible though, I don't know anything about Suzuki. I have
a small Honda though with two holes like that but one is a tell tale
and the other is a carb drain.
But if you're tell tale is squirting water, your pump is deep enough
in the bucket. With only a 5 gallon bucket though, I'd make sure it's
spuirting back in the bucket and not on the ground. You could end up
pumping your cooling water out of the bucket ;-)
Sounds like you have it under control though. But I agree with the
suggestion to read your owners manual.

Rick

Okay, I took the advice and re-read my owner's manual and found that
Suzuki calls the two tiny holes I described earlier the "pilot
holes." And yes, they are what others have been referring to as the
pee hole(s) and/or tell-tale hole(s) as they serve the same purpose.

According to the manual, when water is squirting out of these two
little holes while the motor is running, it indicates the cooling
system is working properly. So it sounds like that mystery is
solved. Thanks again for the reminder.

-Jay

On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:09:12 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote:

when water is squirting out of these two
little holes while the motor is running, it indicates the cooling
system is working properly. So it sounds like that mystery is
solved.

Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol!
I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".
I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an
explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That
owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about.

On May 17, 8:40*am, wrote:

Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".

I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual.

I think I would call a Suzuki mechanic (not a salesman) and get an explanation that makes sense.. And pin him down if necessary. That owners manual is as ambiguous as any I've heard about.

I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that
Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that
they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. I
agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do
simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are
necessarily in error.

The manual states, "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from
the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally
discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating
properly. However, cooling system operation can be confirmed as
follows:

1---Place the shift selector lever in the NEUTRAL position with the
motor idling.
2---Increase and decrease the engine speed five or six times in
succession by opening and closing the throttle smoothly and without
stopping in any one throttle position.
3---If water is discharged from the pilot water holes under this
operating condition, the cooling system is working properly. If
water
is not discharged, stop the engine as soon as possible and consult
your authorized Suzuki Marine dealer."

It then states: CAUTION Never OPERATE (perhaps they are referring to
having the motor in GEAR, not NEUTRAL as stated above) your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can
result. Before setting off, be sure that emergency stop switch
operates properly.

Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in
neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the
functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the
cooling system?

-Jay

On May 17 Phantman wrote:
Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".

On Sat, 17 May 08, Jay wrote:
I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual.

I wasn't quoting directly, I was combining what it stated in two
separate paragraphs.

Paragraph 1. "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from
the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally
discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating
properly"

Paragraph 2.."CAUTION Never operate your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can result".

First it says water isn't always discharged, that's normal, then it
tells you to not operate your motor "when there is no water coming out
of the pilot holes". That looks like a conflict to me. You may be
right that they may mean "in gear" or whatever, but it's still
ambiguous to say the least.

The "bizarre" part, is, when nothing is being discharged, how are you
supposed to KNOW the water pump is working? THAT's what I would ask
the mechanic. Surely you're not supposed to go through that whole
"water pump check" routine every time it stops discharging if that's
supposed to happen intermittantly during normal operation. All I'm
saying is that would make no sense. Not that anything is wrong with
your water pump at the moment. But if you're getting no pilot hole
stream..... how are you supposed to know before the thing overheats?

I'm not knockin' your motor. Suzuki has a good reputation. But there's
something here that makes no sense to me and I'm just trying to
understand what it is.

I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that
Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that
they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. I
agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do
simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are
necessarily in error.

I didn't mean to suggest that there's anything bizarre about calling
them Pilot holes.

Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in
neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the
functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the
cooling system?

Possibly. But I think you may have missed my point. Probably my fault
for not communicating clearly and I hope I haven't muddied the water
even more with what I've tried to get across here.

Rick

On Sat, 17 May 2008 22:13:49 -0500, lid wrote:



The "bizarre" part, is, when nothing is being discharged, how are you
supposed to KNOW the water pump is working? THAT's what I would ask
the mechanic. Surely you're not supposed to go through that whole
"water pump check" routine every time it stops discharging if that's
supposed to happen intermittantly during normal operation. All I'm
saying is that would make no sense. Not that anything is wrong with
your water pump at the moment. But if you're getting no pilot hole
stream..... how are you supposed to know before the thing overheats?

Not knowing anything about OB cooling systems, a couple questions.
1. If the OB has a thermostat, can it be fully closed?
2. With the OB's you are familiar with, can the engine overheat even
when the pee hole has a stream?
I'm thinking Jay's new OB is designed to discharge all cooling water
through the thermostat, and if it's shut, no stream.
Electronic controls might make that a good way to manage engine
efficiency. It might also have an overheat shutdown.
Though I know OB owners basically worship that peehole stream as the
Holy Grail of engine heat control, it may not so important with this
small engine.
Yeah, I know,
"Paragraph 2.."CAUTION Never operate your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can result".

So it is contradictory. Might have cribbed that from the manual of a
bigger engine. In any case bad manual writing.
And if it doesn't shut down automatically when overheated, a bit
of a dangerous system.

--Vic

On May 17, 8:13*pm, wrote:
On May 17 Phantman wrote:

Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! *I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".
On Sat, 17 May 08, Jay wrote:
I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual.

I wasn't quoting directly, I was combining what it stated in two
separate paragraphs.

Paragraph 1. "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from
the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. *Water is not normally
discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating
properly"

Paragraph 2.."CAUTION *Never operate your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can result".

First it says water isn't always discharged, that's normal, then it
tells you to not operate your motor "when there is no water coming out
of the pilot holes". That looks like a conflict to me. You may be
right that they may mean "in gear" or whatever, but it's still
ambiguous to say the least.

The "bizarre" part, is, when nothing is being discharged, how are you
supposed to KNOW the water pump is working? THAT's what I would ask
the mechanic. Surely you're not supposed to go through that whole
"water pump check" routine every time it stops discharging if that's
supposed to happen intermittantly during normal operation. All I'm
saying is that would make no sense. Not that anything is wrong with
your water pump at the moment. But if you're getting no pilot hole
stream..... how are you supposed to know before the thing overheats?

I'm not knockin' your motor. Suzuki has a good reputation. But there's
something here that makes no sense to me and I'm just trying to
understand what it is.

I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that
Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that
they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. *I
agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do
simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are
necessarily in error.

I didn't mean to suggest that there's anything bizarre about calling
them Pilot holes.

Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in
neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the
functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the
cooling system?

Possibly. But I think you may have missed my point. Probably my fault
for not communicating clearly and I hope I haven't muddied the water
even more with what I've tried to get across here.

Rick

Rick, I agree there is some ambiguity in the manual (as in many
manuals translated from another language into English) and I'd like to
get this cleared up ASAP. I fully understand the logic regarding the
need to see that water squirting out of the pilot holes at all times
the motor is running and still trying to ascertain why THIS motor,
according to it's poorly-written manual, doesn't find that necessary.

-Jay

On Sat, 17 May 2008 22:13:49 -0500, lid wrote:

On May 17 Phantman wrote:
Except for the part that says it's still ok when it's not squirting.... unless severe damage occurs lol! I think Salty said it best ... "Truly bizarre".

On Sat, 17 May 08, Jay wrote:
I don't recall that statement (...it's still ok when it's not
squirting.... unless severe damage occurs...) being in the manual.

I wasn't quoting directly, I was combining what it stated in two
separate paragraphs.

Paragraph 1. "Cooling water is intermittently discharged from
the pilot water holes at medium engine speeds. Water is not normally
discharged at other speeds even when the engine is operating
properly"

Paragraph 2.."CAUTION Never operate your outboard
motor when there is no water coming out of the pilot water holes or
severe damage can result".

First it says water isn't always discharged, that's normal, then it
tells you to not operate your motor "when there is no water coming out
of the pilot holes". That looks like a conflict to me. You may be
right that they may mean "in gear" or whatever, but it's still
ambiguous to say the least.

The "bizarre" part, is, when nothing is being discharged, how are you
supposed to KNOW the water pump is working? THAT's what I would ask
the mechanic. Surely you're not supposed to go through that whole
"water pump check" routine every time it stops discharging if that's
supposed to happen intermittantly during normal operation. All I'm
saying is that would make no sense. Not that anything is wrong with
your water pump at the moment. But if you're getting no pilot hole
stream..... how are you supposed to know before the thing overheats?

I'm not knockin' your motor. Suzuki has a good reputation. But there's
something here that makes no sense to me and I'm just trying to
understand what it is.

I already did contact a Suzuki mechanic and he confirmed that
Suzuki calls them pilot holes, not pee or tell-tale holes and that
they serve the same purpose as pee holes and/or tell-tale holes. I
agree that sometimes things appear "bizarre" but sometimes they do
simply because some are not aware of them, not because they are
necessarily in error.

I didn't mean to suggest that there's anything bizarre about calling
them Pilot holes.

Perhaps there's a difference between having the motor idling in
neutral and operating the motor under stress in gear in regards to the
functionality and/or creating possible damage in regards to the
cooling system?

Possibly. But I think you may have missed my point. Probably my fault
for not communicating clearly and I hope I haven't muddied the water
even more with what I've tried to get across here.

Rick

I think that you are interprets the manual incorrectly. From your
quote I believe it is intended to mean something like:

Water does not come out the hole at all speeds, i.e. no water at low
engine speed..

To check the water pump, put the shift in neutral (so you don't take
off and crash into something) and jazz the throttle, i.e., water comes
out the holes at the higher RPMS

If water doesn't come out the holes call the Dealer.

Try it in your bucket and see if that isn't the case, water comes out
the holes at higher RPMs.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)