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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:05:45 -0500, in message
Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:57:51 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:44:36 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. The Briggs and Stratton is air cooled and *very* noisy. I think it would be a poor choice. The 2.5 will definitely move you around although not very fast. If you want to optimize light weight and low cost the 2.5 would be the best option (if you have dealer support). Second that. Ran an air-cooled 5hp for years. Cheap Sears thing. Always regretted not kicking in the extra cash for a water cooled. It was noisy as hell. The two horse Honda I had stolen last year was surprisingly quiet, even though air cooled. I just bought a Suzuki 2.5, but haven't had the chance to use it just yet -- the harbour's still full of ice. Ryk |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Apr 8, 12:49*pm, Ryk wrote: I just
bought a Suzuki 2.5, but haven't had the chance to use it just yet -- the harbour's still full of ice. Ryk Well, jeez, call the U.S.Navy or someone and get them there with the icebreaker. I need a report on that Suzuki 2.5 HP! -Jay |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:05:45 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:57:51 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:44:36 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. The Briggs and Stratton is air cooled and *very* noisy. I think it would be a poor choice. The 2.5 will definitely move you around although not very fast. If you want to optimize light weight and low cost the 2.5 would be the best option (if you have dealer support). Second that. Ran an air-cooled 5hp for years. Cheap Sears thing. Always regretted not kicking in the extra cash for a water cooled. It was noisy as hell. --Vic On the other hand, I'll bet you that the water pump impeller never wore out :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On 2008-04-08 06:44:36 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok said:
The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. A B&S outboard? It's been years since I had a gas lawnmower (went electric 20 years ago), but I wonder how reliable they are and how easily serviced.... Search shows they're air cooled & OHV, so they're a bit different than way back when. Anyone have experience with them? -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-04-08 06:44:36 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok said: The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. A B&S outboard? It's been years since I had a gas lawnmower (went electric 20 years ago), but I wonder how reliable they are and how easily serviced.... Search shows they're air cooled & OHV, so they're a bit different than way back when. Anyone have experience with them? I've had two of them. One was an old beater used in salt water (a no-no for this engine) Never missed a beat, though. Just not quite as stong as... The other one was brand new from Academy - on sale for $650) Up Side: It's a Briggs. Starts, runs, does exactly what it's supposed to do. Service centers everywhere. It's a 4 stroke engine - no oil mixed in the gas. Reliable as can be. Lots-O-Torque. This was the motor on my Capri 18 - 1500 pounds of small boat. It would make hull speed at about 75% power and could push the boat into a 25 mph headwind at a couple knots. Strong motor... Electronic RPM limiter to prevent damage from overspeed - like when the prop comes out of the water or you turn and cavitate. VERY miserly fuel consumption compared to equal powered two strokes. ANd lastly, no water pick up for engine cooling - no exhaust water tube either. A bit lowder, maybe at full boil, but not bad. Down Side: It's a 4 stroke, so it has oil in the sump. You can't lay it down on it's side like a two stroke. It's heavy for a 5 horse at 56 pounds. External fuel tank required. For what that's worth... Richard Motor mods page: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/c18-mot.htm#top -- (remove the X to email) Now just why the HELL do I have to press 1 for English? John Wayne |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:20:49 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:05:45 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: Second that. Ran an air-cooled 5hp for years. Cheap Sears thing. Always regretted not kicking in the extra cash for a water cooled. It was noisy as hell. --Vic On the other hand, I'll bet you that the water pump impeller never wore out :-) True enough! To be more clear, I never did any maintenance on it except change the plug and gear oil a couple times. It was very light - maybe 40 lbs. - and reliable. I would toss it in the trunk a few times a year and clamp it on rented boats at different fishing spots in north Illinois and Wisconsin. It shook pretty bad at trolling speed, and since the thing is a few feet from your head, the noise can wear on you. Bought it new at Sears in '71 I think, for about 189 bucks. 5 hp Johnsons/Evinrudes/Mercs cost about 3-4 times as much then. So all considered, I really don't want to bitch about it. I made my bed, and was actually a bit fond of it. Wouldn't do it now though, and it *was* noisy. --Vic |
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On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:53:41 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-04-08 06:44:36 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok said: The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. A B&S outboard? It's been years since I had a gas lawnmower (went electric 20 years ago), but I wonder how reliable they are and how easily serviced.... Search shows they're air cooled & OHV, so they're a bit different than way back when. Anyone have experience with them? .. I had a go cart with a 5 HP Briggs. It burned methanol and needless to say, had lots of power. Of course it drank like a fish, Casady |
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Not trying to gum up the motor search too much but have one more
possibility to offer the great boating minds on rec.boats.cruising. At least you folks answer. On rec.boats, there's hardly a peep. But it's already April and I gotta get a motor on my machine so I can give up those $%$#$ oars! At a local boat/motor store I found a brand-new in the box 2005 Tohatsu 3.5B (3.5 HP 2-stroke, 75 cc 1-cylinder) outboard for about $500. It has forward/neutral only (360 degree steering), a 2:15:1 gear ratio, 7.4" diameter x 7" pitch prop, built-in .37 gallon gas tank, 47 x 43 mm bore and stroke, 4200-5300 rpms and weighs in at 29 lbs. So whaddya think? If some say the Suzuki 4hp and even the 2.5 hp would push that 14 footer around the nice quiet lake at 5-6 mph, wouldn't that screamin' Tohatsu 3.5 hp two-stroke do the job too? BTW, the exhaust is under the water. -Jay (Still keeping one eye on the boat and the other on his wallet). |
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:57:43 -0700 (PDT), in message
Jay wrote: On Apr 8, 12:49*pm, Ryk wrote: I just bought a Suzuki 2.5, but haven't had the chance to use it just yet -- the harbour's still full of ice. Ryk Well, jeez, call the U.S.Navy or someone and get them there with the icebreaker. I need a report on that Suzuki 2.5 HP! -Jay Given the record of the US Military (as directed by the US Government) I am reluctant to invite them anywhere off campus for polite assistance except in dire need. The ice is going out fine on its own, thanks... Ryk |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote: Not trying to gum up the motor search too much but have one more possibility to offer the great boating minds on rec.boats.cruising. At least you folks answer. On rec.boats, there's hardly a peep. But it's already April and I gotta get a motor on my machine so I can give up those $%$#$ oars! At a local boat/motor store I found a brand-new in the box 2005 Tohatsu 3.5B (3.5 HP 2-stroke, 75 cc 1-cylinder) outboard for about $500. It has forward/neutral only (360 degree steering), a 2:15:1 gear ratio, 7.4" diameter x 7" pitch prop, built-in .37 gallon gas tank, 47 x 43 mm bore and stroke, 4200-5300 rpms and weighs in at 29 lbs. So whaddya think? If some say the Suzuki 4hp and even the 2.5 hp would push that 14 footer around the nice quiet lake at 5-6 mph, wouldn't that screamin' Tohatsu 3.5 hp two-stroke do the job too? BTW, the exhaust is under the water. -Jay (Still keeping one eye on the boat and the other on his wallet). The Tohatsu 2 - 3 H.P. motors are probably the most commonly seen dinghy motor on cruising yachts in this area. They are extremely reliable. Probably the most common problem is leaving fuel in the tank while the motor is hanging on the stern rail for a season and getting the carb gummed up. Taking it off and washing with fresh gasoline usually cleans it. I've seen them used on 12 - 14 ft. fiberglass boats, in fact there is one that has been tying up down the jetty for three years or more so I guess the guy is happy with it. My Mercury 3.5 is basically the same motor and it has been running for 10 years now. If it were for sale here I would buy it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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