"Rodney Myrvaagnes" wrote in message
...

You will learn to sail fastest in a boat barely big enough to hold
you. That is because you will feel the effect of everything you do
very soon.

Yah, I've got a 17' Hobie Cat now- very fast, very twitchy. It's the sport
model, with no jib, but it's loads of fun. I've learned a lot on it ("how
to upright your catmaran" was the first lesson I'd just like to step up
to something a bit more serious.

Wendy

Wendy, you will do fine. btw, I crewed on a boat owned by a Navy pilot and it
turned out all the rest of the crew had flying experience as well. Owner never
said he chose crew for flying experience, but it seems likely.

flying skills are mostly different from sailing skills (nav, as you said is
much the same), but the talent necessary to do either is the same. Good
sailors as well as good flyers have excellent coordination, can sense when
things have changed, notice a 50 rpm increase of decrease in the engine, hear
the difference in sounds of the air with tiny changes in speed, understand
weather (pilots probably far more so than sailors), keep their eyes open and
don't do dumb things, to name just a few. That you don't have the "muscle
memory" for sailing yet doesn't mean you won't get it. You will, and probably
quite quickly. Besides, the VAST majority of sailing is under pretty benign
conditions, even more so with good planning. Lin and Larry Pardy say in all
thei years on the water they have seen really nasty conditions only about 1 day
in a hundred, and Lin says the only time they got knocked down was the time she
(she takes blames for the decision, as apparently she does most of the
navigation planning) felt they were pushing their luck a bit leaving port when
they did, but they were getting a little cocky. (Sorta like the pilot who
takes off with ceilings at 2,000 feet and lowering who convinces himself the
cover will break up). Lin Pardy's voyage planning is so thorough she and Larry
sailed from South Africa to Brazil (across that nasty piece of water called the
South Atlantic) and never saw winds above 25 knots.

flying story: my baby bro when learning to fly had his instructor tell him of
a flight the instructor made in known icing condition, the plane gradually
getting heavier, the carb heat on full and the rpm dropping. The guy landed on
a short, unused runway of an abandoned airport (freeway had been built through
it), let the engine run until the carb ice melted while he banged the ice off
the wings with a gloved hand, then took off again to continue his flight. My
brother's flight instructor, on a training flight, told him that. Go figure.

Wendy, you will be fine. And remember what what Chuck Yeager said about
"widow-maker" airplanes, i.e. everytime you hear a pilot talk about one you
know you are talking with a pilot who will soon tell you that *he* successfully
flew that dangerously wicked aircraft. [grin] same in sailing, except the
doom and gloom sailors haven't sailed beyond the breakwater.

Wendy, you will do fine. btw, I crewed on a boat owned by a Navy pilot and it
turned out all the rest of the crew had flying experience as well. Owner never
said he chose crew for flying experience, but it seems likely.

flying skills are mostly different from sailing skills (nav, as you said is
much the same), but the talent necessary to do either is the same. Good
sailors as well as good flyers have excellent coordination, can sense when
things have changed, notice a 50 rpm increase of decrease in the engine, hear
the difference in sounds of the air with tiny changes in speed, understand
weather (pilots probably far more so than sailors), keep their eyes open and
don't do dumb things, to name just a few. That you don't have the "muscle
memory" for sailing yet doesn't mean you won't get it. You will, and probably
quite quickly. Besides, the VAST majority of sailing is under pretty benign
conditions, even more so with good planning. Lin and Larry Pardy say in all
thei years on the water they have seen really nasty conditions only about 1 day
in a hundred, and Lin says the only time they got knocked down was the time she
(she takes blames for the decision, as apparently she does most of the
navigation planning) felt they were pushing their luck a bit leaving port when
they did, but they were getting a little cocky. (Sorta like the pilot who
takes off with ceilings at 2,000 feet and lowering who convinces himself the
cover will break up). Lin Pardy's voyage planning is so thorough she and Larry
sailed from South Africa to Brazil (across that nasty piece of water called the
South Atlantic) and never saw winds above 25 knots.

flying story: my baby bro when learning to fly had his instructor tell him of
a flight the instructor made in known icing condition, the plane gradually
getting heavier, the carb heat on full and the rpm dropping. The guy landed on
a short, unused runway of an abandoned airport (freeway had been built through
it), let the engine run until the carb ice melted while he banged the ice off
the wings with a gloved hand, then took off again to continue his flight. My
brother's flight instructor, on a training flight, told him that. Go figure.

Wendy, you will be fine. And remember what what Chuck Yeager said about
"widow-maker" airplanes, i.e. everytime you hear a pilot talk about one you
know you are talking with a pilot who will soon tell you that *he* successfully
flew that dangerously wicked aircraft. [grin] same in sailing, except the
doom and gloom sailors haven't sailed beyond the breakwater.

I agree with Evan's view of John Neal's site. I also agree with John Vigor's
"20 Small Sailboats To Take You Anywhere" (boats 20 feet to 33 feet, all of
which have made long ocean passages, the only clinker in the group being a
Catalina 27, included simply because one had circumnavigated).

John Neal's site (expedition sailing adventures) has a very good list of
boats that he considers suitable for offshore trips. I tend to agree with
most of his choices and comments.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)

I agree with Evan's view of John Neal's site. I also agree with John Vigor's
"20 Small Sailboats To Take You Anywhere" (boats 20 feet to 33 feet, all of
which have made long ocean passages, the only clinker in the group being a
Catalina 27, included simply because one had circumnavigated).

John Neal's site (expedition sailing adventures) has a very good list of
boats that he considers suitable for offshore trips. I tend to agree with
most of his choices and comments.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)

no, Ken you are not going to get flamed. the idgit rhys got flamed for trying
his damnest to get Wendy to buy a 30 foot to 40 foot center cockpit boat (a
mess of an offshore boat if there ever was one), "so she could see out of the
cockpit better".

Small point, but rhys doesn't have a centre cockpit boat and didn't say he
did. He does have an Ontario Viking 33, an older C&C design with an aft
cockpit. He did say he has a friend with a centre cockpit. I suppose I'm
about to get flamed for pointing out the obvious...
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

no, Ken you are not going to get flamed. the idgit rhys got flamed for trying
his damnest to get Wendy to buy a 30 foot to 40 foot center cockpit boat (a
mess of an offshore boat if there ever was one), "so she could see out of the
cockpit better".

Small point, but rhys doesn't have a centre cockpit boat and didn't say he
did. He does have an Ontario Viking 33, an older C&C design with an aft
cockpit. He did say he has a friend with a centre cockpit. I suppose I'm
about to get flamed for pointing out the obvious...
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

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"Wendy" wrote:


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
btw, rhys, have *you* ever purposely spun an airplane?(indeed, do you even
know
how?) Wendy has, for the fun of it. She will do just fine as a sailor.

Flying is flying, and sailing is sailing. I think they are two different
and distinct skill sets, and proficiency in one will not necessarily
indicate proficiency in the other, navigation notwithsanding. While events
occur much more rapidly in an airplane than in a boat, what is more
important is that the dimensional and situational aspects are completely
different, and thus require different skill sets. I can fly. I can't sail-
haven't got a clue what to do when decision time rolls around as regards
reefing, what sail to set, etc. The fact that I was able to learn how to
fly indicates that I might be able to learn how to sail. No more, no less.

THe people that are out here are often ex-pilots or even current
pilots. It is really a bit surprising how many sailors have been or
are pilots. Bob (my husband) is one, but I can name about 15 others
without thinking very hard and that's just among the CSY owners. (Bob
was a Navy pilot flying S3s (off a carrier), and he went to TPS and
did two tours with a T&E squadron).

He also had considerable power boating experience as a teen ager (I
dated him during those years), and he learned to sale the USNA yawls
when he was there, and was instantly converted to a sailor.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html

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"Wendy" wrote:


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
btw, rhys, have *you* ever purposely spun an airplane?(indeed, do you even
know
how?) Wendy has, for the fun of it. She will do just fine as a sailor.

Flying is flying, and sailing is sailing. I think they are two different
and distinct skill sets, and proficiency in one will not necessarily
indicate proficiency in the other, navigation notwithsanding. While events
occur much more rapidly in an airplane than in a boat, what is more
important is that the dimensional and situational aspects are completely
different, and thus require different skill sets. I can fly. I can't sail-
haven't got a clue what to do when decision time rolls around as regards
reefing, what sail to set, etc. The fact that I was able to learn how to
fly indicates that I might be able to learn how to sail. No more, no less.

THe people that are out here are often ex-pilots or even current
pilots. It is really a bit surprising how many sailors have been or
are pilots. Bob (my husband) is one, but I can name about 15 others
without thinking very hard and that's just among the CSY owners. (Bob
was a Navy pilot flying S3s (off a carrier), and he went to TPS and
did two tours with a T&E squadron).

He also had considerable power boating experience as a teen ager (I
dated him during those years), and he learned to sale the USNA yawls
when he was there, and was instantly converted to a sailor.


grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html

Hmmmm,
Not to say that the boats on his list aren't good boats, but I dunno if
I can really respect any supposedly comprehensive list of cruising boats
that doesn't include the Tayana. I've never had it confirmed, but I've
been told that more SSCA (Seve Seas Cruising Assoc.) member have the
Tayana 37 than any other single make/model.
Looking at it, I note that neither the Baba not the Union 36 are on it
either. I haven't studied it in depth, but it would seem to be heavily
weighted against the boats in the overbuilt/heavy end of the spectrum.

Nothing wrong with this, as the list just represents his personal
opinions, and he clearly states that "passage-making speed ... is now
high on my personal list of priorities". This is a very valid opinion,
but not the only valid one. Some of us lean more toward the rugged and
comfortable with reasonable to good performance boats (like my Tayana)
http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG

Evan Gatehouse wrote:

"Wendy" wrote in message
rvers.com...


Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I


am


interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single


with


no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee


Pedrick


36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?



http://www.mahina.com/cruise.html#boats4cruising

John Neal's site (expedition sailing adventures) has a very good list of
boats that he considers suitable for offshore trips. I tend to agree with
most of his choices and comments.


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)





--
Dan Best - (707) 431-1662, Healdsburg, CA 95448
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://rangerbest.home.comcast.net/TriciaJean.JPG