Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy

I would take a serious look at some older boats, specifically the Alberg
35, built by Pearson and the Alberg 37 built by Whitby. Both are tough
as nails, built in a time when fiberglass lay-ups were frequently the
same thickness as the wood they replaced.

The Alberg 37 in particular, is a very nice boat. It has a nav station
which I like. You can frequently find these boat completely fitted out
for wherever you might wish to sail, and well within the range of your
proposed budget.

I wanted an A-37, but at the time I was last buying a boat, just didn't
quite have the cash. I wound up with an A-35. If you search for article
on the A-35 you will find several, and one describes a couple who,
finding it rough, lay ahull for a few hours and played cards. :after
they found they had survived, with minimal discomfort, the fabled
Fastnet storm that claimed many leading edge racers and a few lives.

Jonathan

Wendy wrote:
Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy

I would take a serious look at some older boats, specifically the Alberg
35, built by Pearson and the Alberg 37 built by Whitby. Both are tough
as nails, built in a time when fiberglass lay-ups were frequently the
same thickness as the wood they replaced.

The Alberg 37 in particular, is a very nice boat. It has a nav station
which I like. You can frequently find these boat completely fitted out
for wherever you might wish to sail, and well within the range of your
proposed budget.

I wanted an A-37, but at the time I was last buying a boat, just didn't
quite have the cash. I wound up with an A-35. If you search for article
on the A-35 you will find several, and one describes a couple who,
finding it rough, lay ahull for a few hours and played cards. :after
they found they had survived, with minimal discomfort, the fabled
Fastnet storm that claimed many leading edge racers and a few lives.

Jonathan

Wendy wrote:
Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy

Wendy, just go to yachtworld.com and put in 30' 40', $80,000 and start
reading.

As far as telling which are serious bluewater boats and which are serious dock
dwellers, first eliminate all Hunters, Catalinas, Oday's and most every other
mass produced boat (mass produced boats are marketed to the masses, which
normally sail around on weekends on more or less protected waters), then look
at a picture of the boat out of the water. Pretty good rule of thumb is that
the more boat below the waterline as compared to boat above the waterline, the
more seaworthy a boat is _likely_ to be. Not a hard fact, but good general
rule.

Good luck.

Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy

Wendy, just go to yachtworld.com and put in 30' 40', $80,000 and start
reading.

As far as telling which are serious bluewater boats and which are serious dock
dwellers, first eliminate all Hunters, Catalinas, Oday's and most every other
mass produced boat (mass produced boats are marketed to the masses, which
normally sail around on weekends on more or less protected waters), then look
at a picture of the boat out of the water. Pretty good rule of thumb is that
the more boat below the waterline as compared to boat above the waterline, the
more seaworthy a boat is _likely_ to be. Not a hard fact, but good general
rule.

Good luck.

Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy

See the book for sale for $7.50 on ocean crossing-racing
www.ussailing.com (or similar).

See the book for sale for $7.50 on ocean crossing-racing
www.ussailing.com (or similar).

x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote:

Wendy, just go to yachtworld.com and put in 30' 40', $80,000 and start
reading.

As far as telling which are serious bluewater boats and which are serious dock
dwellers, first eliminate all Hunters, Catalinas, Oday's and most every other
mass produced boat (mass produced boats are marketed to the masses, which
normally sail around on weekends on more or less protected waters), then look
at a picture of the boat out of the water. Pretty good rule of thumb is that
the more boat below the waterline as compared to boat above the waterline, the
more seaworthy a boat is _likely_ to be. Not a hard fact, but good general
rule.

I keep a list of CSYs for sail and these two probably meet your specs.

37' CSY b plan
Year: 1979
Listed: US$ 59,900
Located in Clearwater, FL
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 23026-1164433

37' CSY Plan A
Year: 1979
Listed: US$ 59,900
Located in Oriental, NC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 1904-1098878

I also went to Yacht World as JAX recommended (although I did specify
that the boat had to be a cruiser with a diesel engine in the US) at
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...&pbsint=&ps=30
and got 433 boats. After eliminating makes like Benateau, Irwin,
Catalina, Morgan, etc. this list included

37' Alberg 37 1968 69,900 Portsmouth, RI
37' Alberg MK II Yawl 1984 67,000 Irvington, VA
35' Alberg Sloop 1962 52,000 Grand Rivers, KY
Shores, TX
35' Bristol 35.5 1981 69,900 Marathon, FL
35' Bristol 35.5 1979 62,500 Milwaukee, WI
35' Bristol 35.5 1978 65,000 Galesville, MD
35' Bristol 35.5 K/CB Sloop 1979 64,000 Fairhaven, MA
35' Bristol 35.5 Sloop 1978 59,900 Cape Coral, FL
40' Bristol 40 1975 69,900 Rock Hall, MD
35' Bristol Centerboard Sloop 1978 56,900 Panama City, FL
40' Bristol Cutter Yawl 1969 54,900 Anacortes, WA
40' Bristol REDUCED! 1979 69,999 Beaufort, NC
39' Bristol Sloop 1972 59,000 Yarmouth, ME
40' Bristol Yawl 1977 57,850 Forked River, NJ
40' Bristol Yachts 1973 56,500 Cataumet, MA
36' Cape Dory 1979 59,500 Fort Myers/Vero Beach, FL
36' Cape Dory 1981 55,000 Bridgeport, CT
36' Cape Dory 36 1980 69,000 Galesville, MD
36' Cape Dory Cutter 1981 69,900 Essex, CT
35' Cape Dory INTREPID 35 1978 69,500 Bangor, ME
36' Cheoy Lee Clipper 36 1981 53,500 Deltaville, VA
38' Cheoy Lee Ketch 1979 65,000 Orange Park, FL
36' Cheoy Lee Pedrick 1987 62,500 Racine, WI
36' Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36 1985 59,900 Kemah, TX
36' Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36 1985 59,500 Deltaville, VA
38' Cheoy Lee Sigma 1968 55,000 Mystic, CT
35' Cheoy Lee sloop 1979 53,000 Sausalito, CA
38' Cheoy Lee Sloop 1983 69,500 Honolulu, HI
35' Custom Steel 1984 59,900 Kemah, TX
35' Hallberg-Rassy Rasmus ... 1972 64,900 Essex, CT
35' Hallberg-Rassy Rasmus ... 1976 63,000 Manchester, MA
38' Ingrid 1974 69,900 Anacortes, WA
38' Ingrid 1974 64,000 Richmond, CA
38' Ingrid 38 1973 57,500 Seattle, WA
38' Ingrid Gaff Rigged 1980 70,000 Richmond, CA
38' Pacific Offshore 1977 53,000 Alameda/Fortman, CA
37' Tayana CT-37 1977 69,500 Honolulu, HI
37' Tayana Cutter 1979 55,000 San Pedro, CA
37' Tayana cutter 1977 69,500 Alameda, CA
37' Tayana Cutter 1976 69,000 Honolulu, HI
39' Vagabond pilot house c... 1981 58,000 St Augustine, FL
40' VALIANT (CUTTER RIG) 40 1976 59,000 Leesburg, VA

I would also recommend that you take a look at the boats that belong
to folks from the SSCA. These are people who are (for the most
part-at least the Commodores) out there doing blue water cruising
(That's where I've heard of these boats)

I'd also prefer a cutter rig as the sails are (imho) easier to handle
and more flexible.


Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy










grandma Rosalie

x-no-archive:yes (JAXAshby) wrote:

Wendy, just go to yachtworld.com and put in 30' 40', $80,000 and start
reading.

As far as telling which are serious bluewater boats and which are serious dock
dwellers, first eliminate all Hunters, Catalinas, Oday's and most every other
mass produced boat (mass produced boats are marketed to the masses, which
normally sail around on weekends on more or less protected waters), then look
at a picture of the boat out of the water. Pretty good rule of thumb is that
the more boat below the waterline as compared to boat above the waterline, the
more seaworthy a boat is _likely_ to be. Not a hard fact, but good general
rule.

I keep a list of CSYs for sail and these two probably meet your specs.

37' CSY b plan
Year: 1979
Listed: US$ 59,900
Located in Clearwater, FL
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 23026-1164433

37' CSY Plan A
Year: 1979
Listed: US$ 59,900
Located in Oriental, NC
Hull Material: Fiberglass
Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel
YW# 1904-1098878

I also went to Yacht World as JAX recommended (although I did specify
that the boat had to be a cruiser with a diesel engine in the US) at
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...&pbsint=&ps=30
and got 433 boats. After eliminating makes like Benateau, Irwin,
Catalina, Morgan, etc. this list included

37' Alberg 37 1968 69,900 Portsmouth, RI
37' Alberg MK II Yawl 1984 67,000 Irvington, VA
35' Alberg Sloop 1962 52,000 Grand Rivers, KY
Shores, TX
35' Bristol 35.5 1981 69,900 Marathon, FL
35' Bristol 35.5 1979 62,500 Milwaukee, WI
35' Bristol 35.5 1978 65,000 Galesville, MD
35' Bristol 35.5 K/CB Sloop 1979 64,000 Fairhaven, MA
35' Bristol 35.5 Sloop 1978 59,900 Cape Coral, FL
40' Bristol 40 1975 69,900 Rock Hall, MD
35' Bristol Centerboard Sloop 1978 56,900 Panama City, FL
40' Bristol Cutter Yawl 1969 54,900 Anacortes, WA
40' Bristol REDUCED! 1979 69,999 Beaufort, NC
39' Bristol Sloop 1972 59,000 Yarmouth, ME
40' Bristol Yawl 1977 57,850 Forked River, NJ
40' Bristol Yachts 1973 56,500 Cataumet, MA
36' Cape Dory 1979 59,500 Fort Myers/Vero Beach, FL
36' Cape Dory 1981 55,000 Bridgeport, CT
36' Cape Dory 36 1980 69,000 Galesville, MD
36' Cape Dory Cutter 1981 69,900 Essex, CT
35' Cape Dory INTREPID 35 1978 69,500 Bangor, ME
36' Cheoy Lee Clipper 36 1981 53,500 Deltaville, VA
38' Cheoy Lee Ketch 1979 65,000 Orange Park, FL
36' Cheoy Lee Pedrick 1987 62,500 Racine, WI
36' Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36 1985 59,900 Kemah, TX
36' Cheoy Lee Pedrick 36 1985 59,500 Deltaville, VA
38' Cheoy Lee Sigma 1968 55,000 Mystic, CT
35' Cheoy Lee sloop 1979 53,000 Sausalito, CA
38' Cheoy Lee Sloop 1983 69,500 Honolulu, HI
35' Custom Steel 1984 59,900 Kemah, TX
35' Hallberg-Rassy Rasmus ... 1972 64,900 Essex, CT
35' Hallberg-Rassy Rasmus ... 1976 63,000 Manchester, MA
38' Ingrid 1974 69,900 Anacortes, WA
38' Ingrid 1974 64,000 Richmond, CA
38' Ingrid 38 1973 57,500 Seattle, WA
38' Ingrid Gaff Rigged 1980 70,000 Richmond, CA
38' Pacific Offshore 1977 53,000 Alameda/Fortman, CA
37' Tayana CT-37 1977 69,500 Honolulu, HI
37' Tayana Cutter 1979 55,000 San Pedro, CA
37' Tayana cutter 1977 69,500 Alameda, CA
37' Tayana Cutter 1976 69,000 Honolulu, HI
39' Vagabond pilot house c... 1981 58,000 St Augustine, FL
40' VALIANT (CUTTER RIG) 40 1976 59,000 Leesburg, VA

I would also recommend that you take a look at the boats that belong
to folks from the SSCA. These are people who are (for the most
part-at least the Commodores) out there doing blue water cruising
(That's where I've heard of these boats)

I'd also prefer a cutter rig as the sails are (imho) easier to handle
and more flexible.


Hi-

I'm new to this group, and while I have done some archive digging I have a
few questions I was hoping I might get some answers to. Specifically, I am
interested in a sailboat in the 35'-40' range that is suitable for serious
offshore work to include transatlantic crossings. The boat should be easy
to sail, obviously well-built, preferably sloop-rigged, and (here's the
catch!) around $80,000 or so. I would live aboard the boat- I'm single with
no kids- while building up a cruising kitty. I am going to look at a 1990
34' Pacific Seacraft this weekend; at $99,000 it is more than I would like
to pay but perhaps it's negotiable. There is also a 1985 Cheoy Lee Pedrick
36 (yes, I know about the teak decks) at $60,000 that has caught my eye.
Obviously one gets what one pays for, and the Seacraft is no doubt the
better boat, but is the Cheoy Lee suitable for serious passages? I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

Thanks!

Wendy










grandma Rosalie

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:58:38 -0600, "Wendy"
wrote:
I know
Westsail is a definite possibility, but what other boats should I consider
based on my plans and price range?

You are going to get a lot of advice here. I will withhold my valuable
(in other words, free) opinion until I know more about your plans. Are
you single-handing for instance? Are you fit? Are you able to go on a
foredeck in a storm and not fall off? Do you have lots of time or a
schedule? Fast or safe or both (that's the most expensive!)
Stuff like that.

I do not have a lot of sailing experience- some time on 30' Catalinas and a
Hobie Cat. I crewed on a 90' motor yacht in the Caribbean for a year and
also ran 40-50 foot dive boats out of a resort for another couple years, so
the basics of boat operations and upkeep etc are no mystery to me (I know
what I'm getting into here, and must admit that I am wondering about my
sanity

You have more sailing experience than a lot of people if you've crewed
for a year. I would suggest that the best course you could take is to
offer to crew on a transatlantic delivery in return for instruction
and practical experience. In conjunction with this I would encourage
you to take some sort of professionally recognized sailing competency
certification such as the "Six Pack" from the U.S. Coast Guard or the
"Yachtmaster" courses in the UK from the Royal Yachting Association.

Those bits of paper will make you desirable crew, which will inform
you directly as to what is desirable in an offshore cruiser. On your
off-watch, you can read the Smeetons, the Hiscocks, the Pardeys, Hal
Roth, Don Street and a few others from the last 40 years or so who did
things the hard way in ocean cruising so you don't have to. With the
exception of GPS/EPIRBs, hardly any of the "improvements" that will
make your journey a safe and pleasant one are particularly new or
involve electronics.

The good news is that there are a lot of unfashionable (narrow, dark,
overbuilt, no wet bar) old boats that are very suitable for offshore
work, can be altered cheaply and bought for a song because everyone
wants a big-arsed Beneteau to impress the yachtie crowd. There are
some excellent ocean going cruisers made today, but not at your price
point, and most of them are not the "popular" names. An example of a
"good old boat" is the Westsail 32 "Satori". You could look that up
and learn how a well-made boat can survive even a "Perfect Storm".
It's not like the movie had things, by the way.

Your mileage may vary. The best scenario, quite frankly, is getting
the boat of some fastidious perfectionist who died putting the latest
bulletproof roller-furling on his immaculately maintained old 36
footer, leaving a wife who hated sailing and just wants to get rid of
the thing.

Skip Gundlach's saga on this list will inform you mightily. It's worth
it to take the time necessary to decide, because a thousand miles
offshore, there's no tow truck, is there? G

Good luck,

R.