On Aug 24, 4:57 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
....
I seem to recall reading, somewhere, that sailing vessels under 39' can
combine the stern and steaming lights into the masthead tri-color. But I may
be mistaken.

23 (c) A power-driven vessel of less than 12 meters in length may, in
lieu of lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit an
all-round white light and sidelights.

Which I take to mean that you could use your mast head _anchor_ light
and sidelights under power.

-- Tom.

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On Aug 24, 4:57 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
...
I seem to recall reading, somewhere, that sailing vessels under 39' can
combine the stern and steaming lights into the masthead tri-color. But I
may
be mistaken.

23 (c) A power-driven vessel of less than 12 meters in length may, in
lieu of lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit an
all-round white light and sidelights.

Which I take to mean that you could use your mast head _anchor_ light
and sidelights under power.

-- Tom.



The mast head and anchor lights are two different things. Mast head light
typically refers to steaming light.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...a_masthead.htm

The anchor light is a single white light visible in all directions,
indicating that the vessel is at anchor.

But, yes, you could according to 23(c).

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On Aug 24, 4:57 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
...
I seem to recall reading, somewhere, that sailing vessels under 39' can
combine the stern and steaming lights into the masthead tri-color. But I
may
be mistaken.

23 (c) A power-driven vessel of less than 12 meters in length may, in
lieu of lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit an
all-round white light and sidelights.

Which I take to mean that you could use your mast head _anchor_ light
and sidelights under power.

-- Tom.



The mast head and anchor lights are two different things. Mast head light
typically refers to steaming light.

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...a_masthead.htm

The anchor light is a single white light visible in all directions,
indicating that the vessel is at anchor.

But, yes, you could according to 23(c).

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"j" ganz @@
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Since vessels under 12 meters are allowed the masthead lights (red over
green) in lieu of traditional sidelights, wouldn't the masthead tricolor
(red over green over combined white) also comply with that provision?

Subject

A Tri-Color is strictly used for sailing.

An anchor light is a totally different animal.

When a sailing vessel is under power, the Tri-Color is extinguished
and a steaming configuratiom is turned on which consists of
red-green-white lights at deck level with the addition of a white
steaming light above deck level, mounted on the mast so that it does
not provide 360 degree illumination.

Lew

On Aug 24, 6:10 pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Subject

A Tri-Color is strictly used for sailing.

An anchor light is a totally different animal.

When a sailing vessel is under power, the Tri-Color is extinguished
and a steaming configuratiom is turned on which consists of
red-green-white lights at deck level with the addition of a white
steaming light above deck level, mounted on the mast so that it does
not provide 360 degree illumination.

Lew

Wow so many helpful ideas thank you.

I was trying not to get into a discussion about the mast lights
themselves.

However this was/is our plan. Which I understand complies with
Canadian/North American standards for small craft under 8 metres i.e.
26.2 feet.

Sailing mode: A trilight at top of mast visible (ignoring angle of
heel) comletely clear of sails can be seen in the appropriate
directions. Also intend to install a two filament bulb in the trilight
(it will get the most use if sailing at night) with filamants in
parallel, so that if one burns out the other will still be lit. And
not having to go up the mast.

Motoring. Trilight off. Operate a white anchor light physically above
the trilght and a red-green port-starboard lantern mounted at the
crosstrees about 6 to 7 feet below. White above red/green. sails will
be down.

Anchoring: If required, the single white light at top of mast.

Intermittent/occasional deck lighting from downward facing lights on
the crosstrees.

Other cabin and miscellaneous lighting etc. Including a recharge
outlet for a hand lantern etc.

Other circuits. Including depth sounder, GPS, VHF, CB radio, outlet
for 12 volts to a cell phone etc.

New RG58 proposed for mast head VHF whip. The old stuff is 20+ years
old . Am every famiilar with wiring (amps, volts and all that stuff),
but thanks for the reminder about using tinned wiring). I think it's
also used for trailer towing connections! Oh; and new RG8 etc to 27
megs. CB whip on the stern rail.

The major concern has been the water into the deck problem ans
subsequent damage. Using a J entry seems like the general
recommnedation and avoid connectors at bottom of the mast. Makes sense
to me.

Many thanks indeed for the comments.

Oh, by the way. Strobes are not legal AFIK for normal marine use, but
could be useful in an emergency????? Either on board our boat,
'Hypothermic survivor on board boat with strobe' or as in 'The
distress is 0.5 miles due west of my strobe'. Any ideas cos I've got
one and it looks fairly water proof if I replace any screws with
stainless ones and it only needs one additional wire up the mast?

terry wrote:

Sailing mode: A trilight at top of mast visible (ignoring angle of
heel) comletely clear of sails can be seen in the appropriate
directions ...

I favor a tricolor, especially offshore, but at times a lower set of lights
for sailing can be helpful. Before the tricolor became popular, many people
did not take the time to "look up" and often missed sailboats nearby at
night, especially on bays and inshore waters. When I first fitted a
tricolor, I also rigged a DPDT switch for the sailing lights so
that "up" turned on the tricolor and "down" turned on the lower lights (r/g
at the bow and a white stern light). That way you could not make the error
of using both sets simultaneously.

Motoring. Trilight off. Operate a white anchor light physically above
the trilght and a red-green port-starboard lantern mounted at the
crosstrees about 6 to 7 feet below. White above red/green. sails will
be down.

I cannot be sure off the top of my head but there may be a requirement for
at least some fore-and-aft separation between the r/g and the "all-around"
white. It may be useful to check this in the regs. Certainly there is a
limitation on boat size with this setup.

Anchoring: If required, the single white light at top of mast.

The same comment above about tricolors may apply in your case to anchor
lights. Just about everyone uses a masthead anchor light at times, but in
harbor with dinghies buzzing around at night, there is a possibility that
some folks returning from festivities ashore may hit you because they once
again didn't "look up." One of those Davis low draw lights hanging low in
the rigging, either fore or aft, may be a good idea.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare

On Aug 26, 2:29 pm, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:
terry wrote:

Sailing mode: A trilight at top of mast visible (ignoring angle of
heel) completely clear of sails can be seen in the appropriate
directions ...

I favor a tricolor, especially offshore, but at times a lower set of lights
for sailing can be helpful. Before the tricolor became popular, many people
did not take the time to "look up" and often missed sailboats nearby at
night, especially on bays and inshore waters. When I first fitted a
tricolor, I also rigged a DPDT switch for the sailing lights so
that "up" turned on the tricolor and "down" turned on the lower lights (r/g
at the bow and a white stern light). That way you could not make the error
of using both sets simultaneously.

Motoring. Trilight off. Operate a white anchor light physically above
the trilght and a red-green port-starboard lantern mounted at the
crosstrees about 6 to 7 feet below. White above red/green. sails will
be down.

I cannot be sure off the top of my head but there may be a requirement for
at least some fore-and-aft separation between the r/g and the "all-around"
white. It may be useful to check this in the regs. Certainly there is a
limitation on boat size with this setup.

Anchoring: If required, the single white light at top of mast.

The same comment above about tricolors may apply in your case to anchor
lights. Just about everyone uses a masthead anchor light at times, but in
harbor with dinghies buzzing around at night, there is a possibility that
some folks returning from festivities ashore may hit you because they once
again didn't "look up." One of those Davis low draw lights hanging low in
the rigging, either fore or aft, may be a good idea.

--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegathttp://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare

Thanks for the additional comments. We have built and wired new fuse/
switch panel with 24 individual circuits so we could (to be ridiculous
and be seen) turn them all on at once!
Not mentioned previously was the intention to perhaps add a couple of
lights one on each side of the coach house where the port-starboard
lamps used to be, a couple of owners ago! These very low power lamps
could be used as you suggest but would mainly be intended to be able
to see a foothold on the side decks, going forward at night. Regarding
spacing; will check the Dept. of Transport Canada Regs. for boats
under 8 metres.

On Aug 26, 6:29 am, "Armond Perretta"
wrote:
terry wrote:
....
I cannot be sure off the top of my head but there may be a requirement for
at least some fore-and-aft separation between the r/g and the "all-around"
white. It may be useful to check this in the regs. Certainly there is a
limitation on boat size with this setup.

The size limit is 12 meters (~39 feet). I don't think there is any
horizontal placement requirement for the sidelights. The all-round
white probably needs to be forward of amidships. That shouldn't be a
problem on a typical rig. But, I agree that checking the regs is a
great idea. In the US the Coast Guard will answer questions on
regulations and they are the controlling authority. It might also be
nice to have a note from them to show surveyors, marina inspectors and
the like. For US sailors the regs live in 33 CFR 84 and should be
included as an annex in your copy of the rules.

I am in total agreement about the vis of lights high in the rig from
small boats or boats that are close. This problem can be worse with
some LED set-ups. At anchor lighting the deck is a good idea. We've
used garden lights on the corners of the boat though they tend to get
pretty dim by morning in the tropics. They may work better in higher
lat summers.

-- Tom.

"terry" wrote:

I was trying not to get into a discussion about the mast lights
themselves.

There really is no discussion.

You have AquaSignal and those that when they grow up want to be AquaSignal.

They meet the COLREGS.

Typical German products, they do it right.

Consider an alternate lamp for tri-color ONLY if approved to meet COLREGS,
otherwise forget it.

As far as an anchor light is concerned, don't like top of mast location.

Much prefer having anchor light hang about 10 ft above deck using forestay
and jib halyard.


Take it down and store it at daylight.

At least when the drunks come back from a night on the town, they have a
better chance of seeing a light at lower level.

Since you are adding switches, use 3PDT for "sailing" and "steaming".

Cross interlock such that: (+)---(NCsteaming)---(NOsailing)---(Tri-Color
Lamp)---(-).

Cross interlock such that: (+)---(NCsailing)---(NOsteaming)---(Steaming
Lamps)---(-).

3rd circuit has NOsailing in parallel with NOsteaming to power
instrument back lights.

The above insures that only one set of lamps can be on at one time.

Settles any legal issues before they can develop.

As far as mast wiring, hang a 7 ( #14 AWG) conductor bunch lashed to a 1/16"
S/S messenger cable inside mast.

This will prevent cable stretch, and provide spares if req'd in the future.

RG58 is for the CB radio crowd, you want the big stuff, agained lashed to a
1/16" S/S cable to prevent cable stretch and resultant change in impedance
which would then require retuning antenna.

BTW, Carling will have switches needed.

Have fun.

Lew

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:59:01 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

There really is no discussion.

You have AquaSignal and those that when they grow up want to be AquaSignal.

They meet the COLREGS.

Typical German products, they do it right.

No question, they are very good. I had an Aquasignal tri-color on my
old sailboat and it was excellent. Never had a problem with it and we
started being noticed by commercial shipping.