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Jet Ski overheating problem
"jet skis" are actually NOT noisy anymore! Probably the quietest and
cleanest-running power boats being sold. And neither I, nor any of my The vast majority are quite noisy. Nope, certainly not the vast majority of the ones being manufactured and sold now. They are dead quiet. My four-stroke, the loudest sound is the waves against the hull,and my wife and I can have a normal conversation without raising our voices while running at speed...and all the pwc manufacturers are marketing their new four-stroke models almost exclusively I am a cruiser too, Well, that's nice! My point was that I have every right, not only that, but that it's perfectly appropriate for me to be reading and posting here; your previous post had tried to kick us pwc'ers out on the basis of the newsgroup being for "cruisers." Like you and other boaters and cruisers in bigger boats, I boaters, get angry at the behavior of the too-large percentage of people who do idiotic dangerous irresponsible things on the water "too-large percentage of people who do idiotic ... things" are what we're talking about. Yes but the crucial point I was making and you seem to have missed right there, is that there is that the problem is not, and not nearly, exclusive to pwc's, but exists across all segments of the recreational boating world. So your prejudiced, mean-spirited, ill-informed, stereotyping comments about pwc'ers ("the people who drive around on them are the seaborne equivalent of morons") are unfair and inaccurate (although, nice word there,"seaborne," impressive!). (And once again, I am so glad to note that I never get this feeling from actual fellow boaters on the water, mainly just from usenet assholes, but I'm still not going to let it stand.) It doesn't matter how many anecdotal experiences you've had observing pwc'ers doing dumb things, you and I have both seen just as many idiots in bigger boats doing just as many comically or frighteningly bad stupid things, at the ramp, on the water, around sailboats and surfers, in the channel, at the marina, in the no-wake zone, near the shore. Well, I haven't see just as many idiots on sailboats annoy the entire harbor, nearly run over swimmer, disturb the natural habitat, pollute the water, etc., as jetskiers. ....or as other power boaters besides "jetskiers," right? I already have said that I think sailboaters are probably on average, more skilled and better educated than power boaters simply because it takes more effort, skill and experience to operate one in the first place. But a special distinction just for pwc'ers is where you go wrong. We are just power boaters, really the same as any other except that our boats are smaller (and, maybe, more fun!). Anyway, again, as with the "noise" issue, the fact is that modern-generation pwc'ers (let's say for the last five years easily) are among the cleanest-running and least-polluting powerboats on the water. The technology has just skyrocketed, and the fuel efficiency is amazing (I go about 125 miles on an 18.5 gallon tank of regular and burn no oil; lots of bigger boats can't make any better "pollution" claims than those, but several other pwc models do even better than mine). Again your statements are just based on stereotypes and outdated information and if you refuse to update your knowledge of the situation, I'm gonna point out the falsehood of your statements about it every chance I get. I guess I don't get out enough. I do know many places where they are specifically banned. Some people don't seem to like 'em, it's true. BUT if you've been paying any attention to developments over the last few years, you'd know that the majority of pwc bans in national parks have been ROLLED BACK and reversed over the last five years as the results of mandated environmental impact studies have come in and shown that pwc's make no more, and in many cases, less, noise, pollution and impact on wildlife than that of other power boats. By the same token, pwc's probably have a slightly higher percentage of clueless newbies and kids on them than larger boats, again because they're easier to afford and to get behind Didn't you just contradict yourself here? Not at all....I graciously conceded a point....I don't ignore reality in my arguments. But my admitting to a potentially "slightly higher percentage" of inexperienced operators on pwc's as compared to other categories of boat, due to the factors I cited, doesn't validate or vindicate your apparent broad sweeping indictments/dismissals of all pwc users or the majority of them as being "morons" etc. richforman |
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Jet Ski overheating problem
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wrote: "jet skis" are actually NOT noisy anymore! Probably the quietest and cleanest-running power boats being sold. And neither I, nor any of my The vast majority are quite noisy. Nope, certainly not the vast majority of the ones being manufactured and sold now. They are dead quiet. My four-stroke, the loudest sound Get real man.... most jetskis on the water right now are obnoxiously loud. It's nice to know the new ones don't make so much noise and don't pollute. I guess the 4-stroke is a new fangled engine. I am a cruiser too, Well, that's nice! My point was that I have every right, not only that, but that it's perfectly appropriate for me to be reading and posting here; your previous post had tried to kick us pwc'ers out on the basis of the newsgroup being for "cruisers." I'm not trying to kick you out of anywhere on usenet. Why would I want to do that? You're welcome to post your stuff for all to see. You're certainly not, as a group, cruisers, but that's got nothing to do with posting here. Yes but the crucial point I was making and you seem to have missed right there, is that there is that the problem is not, and not nearly, all segments of the recreational boating world. So your prejudiced, mean-spirited, ill-informed, stereotyping comments about pwc'ers ("the I think they're highly accurate, since there's a much higher percentage of noising, polluting jetskiers than there are sailboat cruisers. Sounds to me like you're a bit sensitive when it comes to jetski comments. (although, nice word there,"seaborne," impressive!). (And once again, I am so glad to note that I never get this feeling from actual fellow boaters on the water, mainly just from usenet assholes, but I'm still not going to let it stand.) Ah, personal name calling. Come on, I'm sure you can think of something worse to call me than an asshole. Like I said, among sailboaters, PWC are generally known for being loud, obnoxious, and pollution machines. I am going to let that stand. Well, I haven't see just as many idiots on sailboats annoy the entire harbor, nearly run over swimmer, disturb the natural habitat, pollute the water, etc., as jetskiers. ...or as other power boaters besides "jetskiers," right? I already have said that I think sailboaters are probably on average, more skilled and better educated than power boaters simply because it takes more effort, skill and experience to operate one in the first place. But a special distinction just for pwc'ers is where you go wrong. We are just power boaters, really the same as any other except that our boats are smaller (and, maybe, more fun!). And, I agree with you. I've been in many anchorages with both kinds of craft.. power and sail. I prefer sailboats, but I've never had much of a noise issue with powerboats in those areas. Once in a while, I've gone over and asked them to turn off their engines after they've been idling for a long time, and they've always been nice about it... either did so or moved off. Anyway, again, as with the "noise" issue, the fact is that modern-generation pwc'ers (let's say for the last five years easily) are among the cleanest-running and least-polluting powerboats on the water. The technology has just skyrocketed, and the fuel efficiency is What's that got to do with the ones currently on the water?? Nothing. mine). Again your statements are just based on stereotypes and outdated information and if you refuse to update your knowledge of the situation, I'm gonna point out the falsehood of your statements about it every chance I get. Yeah sure... I guess that means anything over 1 week old is outdated. Seems typical of the PWC mentality. Some people don't seem to like 'em, it's true. BUT if you've been paying any attention to developments over the last few years, you'd know that the majority of pwc bans in national parks have been ROLLED BACK and reversed over the last five years as the results of mandated environmental impact studies have come in and shown that pwc's make no more, and in many cases, less, noise, pollution and impact on wildlife than that of other power boats. Why would I want to do that? I have no plans to own one. Start talking about the vast numbers that are not so new and pollute like hell. Didn't you just contradict yourself here? Not at all....I graciously conceded a point....I don't ignore reality in my arguments. But my admitting to a potentially "slightly higher percentage" of inexperienced operators on pwc's as compared to other categories of boat, due to the factors I cited, doesn't validate or vindicate your apparent broad sweeping indictments/dismissals of all pwc users or the majority of them as being "morons" etc. Ah, well, we're all very appreciative of your concessions. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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