"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"ladysailor" wrote in message
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You're right, I take off my hat and gloves when I'm being harassed by
obnoxious morons and turn straight away into a ****ed off sailor.


Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then yell
at a power boat for impeding you.

Suggestion: Get a copy of the Colregs and the Rules of the Road,
specifically. Then, get back to us.



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I suggest you read the Colregs yourself, and get back to us as to when a
sailboat can turn and go in front of any other non sailboat when ever they
desire. Danger be danged.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right of
way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in front of
me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and then yell
at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.

What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.



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You better read the Colregs. A sailboat with the motor running, is a power
boat. And all boats are to avoid collisions. The sailboat has to keep
going in a passing situation. They can not turn when they desire. I guess
you figure you get to make the big tanker going up / down the channel to
turn to avoid you.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"ladysailor" wrote in message
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You're right, I take off my hat and gloves when I'm being harassed by
obnoxious morons and turn straight away into a ****ed off sailor.

Another "sailor". It is also up to the sailboat to avoid a collision. I
have heard "sailors" declare they have the right of way over a tanker
entering the Golden Gate. There is no right of way, and the tanker has
preference, and if they collide, the sailor's estate may have to pay to
fix
the scratches in the paint of the tankers hull.

Yep. Except you can leave off the quotes. It's up to everyone to avoid
a collision. Still, you've not made any point here. There are always
stupid people or people who don't know the rules of the road. The
tanker in the bay have stand on status. Other vessels must give
way. Don't worry, if you try to claim stand on status with a tanker,
they'll let you know their preference.

BTW, you usually wouldn't be t-boned by the tanker. Probably the bow
wake would push you aside, then flip the boat around, then you'd smash
into the side of the hull, shattering your boat like an egg. A few
seconds later, the prop would finish the job.



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I see you do not know what happens when the tanker T bones you. And if your
sailboat is of any size, you will get Teed. And what about your sailboat
with sails up and motor running?

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.


Bill McKee wrote:
I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right of way
as they have a sailboat.

Only when they are actually sailing.

... I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and then yell at
me.

That happens occasionally... I think that kind of dumbass is in the
minority, as sailboats are too willing & eager to punsih that kind of
casual dumbassery.

I've had people in boats on autopilot yell (or hail on the radio) at me
that I *must* get out of their way, because they're on autopilot. If I
reasoned like you, I'd be making statements about how people with
autopilots are all jerks.

BTW I deliberately stripped most of the cross-posting from this thread.

DSK

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I see you do not know what happens when the tanker T bones you. And if your
sailboat is of any size, you will get Teed. And what about your sailboat
with sails up and motor running?

Well, having never actually experienced it, I can only go by what a
local CG offical told us at a seminar. I'm sure he could be wrong.

What about it? It's in the regs. Is the engine engaged or just
running? Are you talking about the propulsion system or the genset?
What about electric engines that are engaged and running but only
regenerating the batteries?

Do you know how you're supposed to tell other boats what you're doing
when your engine is engaged and your sails are up after dark? How
about during the day?



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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I suggest you read the Colregs yourself, and get back to us as to when a
sailboat can turn and go in front of any other non sailboat when ever they
desire. Danger be danged.

Bill, sounds like you're unsure who is stand on vessel in the case you
describe; otherwise, you would know that a sailboat can not turn in
front of any other boat (sail or power) and have stand-on status.

What do you mean by danger be danged? Does this mean you would run
your boat up on the rocks or turn in front of another boat as a last
resort? Why did you get in that spot to begin with?

Please tell us.



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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
You better read the Colregs. A sailboat with the motor running, is a power
boat. And all boats are to avoid collisions. The sailboat has to keep
going in a passing situation. They can not turn when they desire. I guess
you figure you get to make the big tanker going up / down the channel to
turn to avoid you.

Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?



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In article ,
DSK wrote:
I've had people in boats on autopilot yell (or hail on the radio) at me
that I *must* get out of their way, because they're on autopilot. If I
reasoned like you, I'd be making statements about how people with
autopilots are all jerks.

Well, heck Doug, I've had an overtaking sailboat with its engine on
tell me to get out of the way when I was sailing. I think he also had
is autopilot on because he was standing on the bow (no PFD of course)
and no one else was on the boat. We all had a good laugh when he
finally changed course to go around us.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:

"ladysailor" wrote in message
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You're right, I take off my hat and gloves when I'm being harassed by
obnoxious morons and turn straight away into a ****ed off sailor.



Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

If you don't like the collision regulations, sell that stinkpot and take
up golf.


Another "sailor". It is also up to the sailboat to avoid a collision. I
have heard "sailors" declare they have the right of way over a tanker
entering the Golden Gate. There is no right of way, and the tanker has
preference, and if they collide, the sailor's estate may have to pay to fix
the scratches in the paint of the tankers hull.


Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the 'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample time to
avoid a collision.

"Bill McKee" wrote in message news:fkaaf.4109 I
know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right of
way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in front of
me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and then yell
at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.

Bill, if "you" collided with them, "you" would be at fault. It is your
responsibility, under Rule 8, the collision regulations, to avoid a
collision.
Jim