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Jet Ski overheating problem
"I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast."
And I have no sympathy for you or your dog. If the PWC'ers are violating the local laws or ordinances then they are criminals and should be dealt with. We don't hate cars and drivers because some people use them illegally. If they are following the letter of the law and you just "don't like the noise"... then the problem is with YOU. Unless you own your own lake, you're not guaranteed "quiet and solitude". It should probably also be noted that the new generation of PWC's are amazingly quiet... usually quieter than any other powered "boat" out there. Giz "ladysailor" wrote in message ups.com... I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast. Too many times I've been in a tight situation on a sail boat when these dick heads think it's funny to ride doughnuts around us. Not to mention the times we've been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out of our little dog who hates the noise they make. I'm with the dog, I don't like the noise either! Lady Sailor |
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"The_Giz" wrote in message
... "I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast." And I have no sympathy for you or your dog. If the PWC'ers are violating the local laws or ordinances then they are criminals and should be dealt with. We don't hate cars and drivers because some people use them illegally. Well, some of us do, but on general principles. If they are following the letter of the law and you just "don't like the noise"... then the problem is with YOU. Unless you own your own lake, you're not guaranteed "quiet and solitude". There is a presumption of quiet enjoyment in most anchorages. And, what happened to the spirit of the law, rather than just the letter of the law? The point is that being a good neighbor has more to do with the former than the latter. It should probably also be noted that the new generation of PWC's are amazingly quiet... usually quieter than any other powered "boat" out there. I guess I don't get out enough. I have yet to run over, I mean run into, I mean see/hear one of these. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote: I guess I don't get out enough. I have yet to run over, I mean run into, I mean see/hear one of these. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Hi, Jon, Yes, it's true. I just sold my lake home near Atlanta, on the way out the door, so to speak, to cutting the cord. The last few days I was there, after spending most of the summer and prior two seasons working on the Flying Pig, thus not having a chance to see it, either, I saw several of the new breed of jetskis (well, technically, PWC - I can't speak to what actual Jetskis are like). Much to my surprise, I could scarcely hear them. They made every bit as much wake at slow speed, and were every bit as zippy at high speed, as the PWC they looked like, but - while I could tell it was running - it sounded a bit like a high quality I/O with a better than usual muffling job. It reminded me much more of a car than a boat noise... FWIW, on Lanier, where I used to live, we have gotten a bit more of the new breed rider than the old of late, which is refreshing to think about. Even though I'm not going to be on that lake again, most likely, ever, it's encouraging to see the evolution. And, in my runabout, if I see a jumper, I enjoy(ed) giving them a suitable wake, in an appropriate area. Some of them are definitely balletic. OTOH, the only two boats I have left which can do that are for sale and won't go "on the boat" with us, so I suspect I'll have to enjoy others' provisions, if there are any, in our cruising grounds :{)) L8R Skip, recovering from nasal and sinus surgery on the way to active shoulder rehab so I can get back to final refit and cut the cord Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig http://tinyurl.com/384p2 The vessel as Tehamana, as we bought her "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Scotty wrote: Ok, I'll admit about 90% of the jet skiers I see are no problem. I even wave to some of them. It's that other 10% that zip around anchorage's and run in circles and ride boat wakes and generally are just so damn annoying that it's easy to just want to eliminate the whole bunch. but then, that wouldn't be fair,now, would it? SV Probably about comparable to the corresponding percentage for recreational boaters in general, wouln't you agree? Thanks Scotty. Oh and thanks on behalf of all of us for those friendly waves... richforman wrote in message oups.com... But it's true Scotty, I don't know why I'm letting you engage me in this stupid discussion, slow day at work I guess, but I can tell you, I've been riding pwc's full time for eight years now and know I'm as much of a boater as anyone else out there on the water, and so are my many very experienced, capable pwcing friends (many of whom have bigger boats as well)....with a lot of the same issues, responsibilities, interests, concerns, and passions, as anybody in a bigger boat. What I've noticed and must tell myself to keep in mind, is that I pretty much never get this kind of obnoxious, elitist, prejudiced, smug, superior anti-pwc attitude from any fellow boaters that I actually encounter out on the water, on the beaches, at the docks, at boating safety classes, etc.....only from usenet assholes......I always feel like a welcome member of the boating community just like anybody else on the water, except on boating newsgroups. Sure, sometimes they're surprised to see us at different places out there, like crossing over to Block Island from Montauk or cruising the Hudson River in our dry suits in 50-degree temperatures this last weekend, but pretty much always friendly and respectful. richforman |
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I'm guessing what you saw was what is becoming typical in PWC's - four
cycle engines. Was it Lake Tahoe that was 4 cycle engines only? You also made a good point. Why is boat owners act like they own their wake. Your wake and the jetskiers who jump them are behind you. The only piece of water you own is the one your boat is on at the time and the water in your right away. Are boaters really worried that a jetski is going to hit them even though the jetski is waiting for the wake, and are traveling perpendicular to your boat's path..behind you! Giz, I totally agree with you. If jetskiers do anything illegal they deserve an expensive ticket. And, if you want a lake that you can dictate who boats and who doesn't, buy the lake. JG, please feel free to point out where in the law there is a "presumption of quiet enjoyment" ? If a sailboater finds your inboard too noisey, then would you stop boating. Consider to your own reasoning before you answer. I don't care how quiet your boat is, it's stil noise. You advertised your ignorance well when you said: "I have yet to run over, mean run into, I mean see/hear one of these." John |
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"John" wrote in message
oups.com... I'm guessing what you saw was what is becoming typical in PWC's - four cycle engines. Was it Lake Tahoe that was 4 cycle engines only? You also made a good point. Why is boat owners act like they own their wake. Your wake and the jetskiers who jump them are behind you. The only piece of water you own is the one your boat is on at the time and the water in your right away. Are boaters really worried that a jetski is going to hit them even though the jetski is waiting for the wake, and are traveling perpendicular to your boat's path..behind you! Giz, I totally agree with you. If jetskiers do anything illegal they deserve an expensive ticket. And, if you want a lake that you can dictate who boats and who doesn't, buy the lake. JG, please feel free to point out where in the law there is a "presumption of quiet enjoyment" ? If a sailboater finds your inboard too noisey, then would you stop boating. Consider to your own reasoning before you answer. I don't care how quiet your boat is, it's stil noise. You advertised your ignorance well when you said: "I have yet to run over, mean run into, I mean see/hear one of these." John As to my "yet to run over..." sentence, you should try not to get your panties in a wad. If you can't take a joke, you have no business on usenet. Here's a reference link for you about quiet enjoyment... http://www.meislik.com/articles/art02.htm Let me guess, you're from the jet-ski newsgroup... just a guess. Over the last couple of years, I've seen several get speeding tickets or warnings in a local bay. There was another incident, since you asked, about a jet-ski nearly t-boning a yacht... no regard at all for his speed or the proximity to the boat. Sure, you're right. Not all jet-ski operators are juvie ignoramouses. That sure is saying a lot about the sport, but I guess horsepower does go along with horses' asses. Let me know if you can't figure it out. If another sailboat found that my inboard too noisy, I would try and accomodate them as best as possible. If they were there first, I might even more somewhere else. Would you? |
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We rode our our jetskis away from marked channels in shallow water to
avoid the boat traffic. If you're going to quote, please quote something in the same context. That web page you quoted includes the following line regarding noise: "implied covenant of quiet enjoyment in leases is imposed by statute" A lake, bay, river, etc is a public place without leases. I'll rephrase what I said before. "If you want a lake that you can dictate who boats and who doesn't, buy" OR LEASE "the lake." I'm curious how you found a way to turn a wake jumping issue into a Yacht almost being t-boned. How could a jetski behind a yacht, travelling perpendicular to it, almost T-bone the yacht? Just like there is a selct bunch of morons on jetskis, the same can be said of boats, as well as every other recreational activity on the planet. In all cases, the ones who makes themselves a nuisance are the ones that get noticed. The ones that behave go un-noticed. Therefore all that gets noticed is the assholes. If I'm out onthe water all weekend, I might see hundreds of jetskis, but it's always the same dozen or so assholes giving the entire sport a bad name. How many senior citiziens from Michigan drowned when their boat capsized? I wonder if they think kidding about boating accidents is a joke. By the way, "joke" is your description of what you previously said, not mine. If they complained about someone joking about a boating accident, I wonder if they "have no business on usenet." Again, your words, not mine. |
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Jet Ski overheating problem
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Have the perfect tool to solve this problem. A Model 12 Winchester loaded with 00 buckshot and slugs. The buckshot takes care of the rider, if there is one, the slug takes care of the engine. It won't overheat again. Lew |
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"John" wrote in message
oups.com... We rode our our jetskis away from marked channels in shallow water to avoid the boat traffic. Well, good for you! I hope you didn't encounter any rocks. If you're going to quote, please quote something in the same context. That web page you quoted includes the following line regarding noise: "implied covenant of quiet enjoyment in leases is imposed by statute" I think I'll quote what I like, but if you can't follow the logic, I don't think it would make any difference what I quote. A lake, bay, river, etc is a public place without leases. I'll rephrase what I said before. "If you want a lake that you can dictate who boats and who doesn't, buy" OR LEASE "the lake." There are many lakes and rivers that do not allow PWCs because of noise and pollution issues. Clearly, you're the one who needs to get out a bit more. Well, come to think of it, don't. I'm curious how you found a way to turn a wake jumping issue into a Yacht almost being t-boned. How could a jetski behind a yacht, travelling perpendicular to it, almost T-bone the yacht? I taint my fault if you don't like the discussion. Just like there is a selct bunch of morons on jetskis, the same can be said of boats, as well as every other recreational activity on the planet. In all cases, the ones who makes themselves a nuisance are the ones that get noticed. The ones that behave go un-noticed. Therefore all that gets noticed is the assholes. If I'm out onthe water all weekend, I might see hundreds of jetskis, but it's always the same dozen or so assholes giving the entire sport a bad name. Sure. But the morons on jetskis are a lot more obnoxious than a sailor ****ing off the stern of his boat or running his relatively quiet inboard for 45 minutes in the evening to charge his batteries. Funny, but I have yet to see more than a couple of jetskier who "behave." Maybe you should talk to the bad eggs. How many senior citiziens from Michigan drowned when their boat capsized? I wonder if they think kidding about boating accidents is a joke. By the way, "joke" is your description of what you previously said, not mine. If they complained about someone joking about a boating accident, I wonder if they "have no business on usenet." Again, your words, not mine. No idea. I don't live in Michigan. Here's a serious site for you.... seems like you are the obnoxious type, without any humor. http://www.west.net/~lpm/hobie/archi...i2/humor.shtml |
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Yeah, what Peter said...
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Look, you're posting this to a cruising n/g. Jet skis are noisy and offensive buzzing insects and the people who drive around on them are the seaborne equivalent of morons who ride trail bikes on public reserves. Go away and play with your toy and don't expect any sympathy from sailors. PDW In article .com, John wrote: We rode our our jetskis away from marked channels in shallow water to avoid the boat traffic. If you're going to quote, please quote something in the same context. That web page you quoted includes the following line regarding noise: "implied covenant of quiet enjoyment in leases is imposed by statute" A lake, bay, river, etc is a public place without leases. I'll rephrase what I said before. "If you want a lake that you can dictate who boats and who doesn't, buy" OR LEASE "the lake." I'm curious how you found a way to turn a wake jumping issue into a Yacht almost being t-boned. How could a jetski behind a yacht, travelling perpendicular to it, almost T-bone the yacht? Just like there is a selct bunch of morons on jetskis, the same can be said of boats, as well as every other recreational activity on the planet. In all cases, the ones who makes themselves a nuisance are the ones that get noticed. The ones that behave go un-noticed. Therefore all that gets noticed is the assholes. If I'm out onthe water all weekend, I might see hundreds of jetskis, but it's always the same dozen or so assholes giving the entire sport a bad name. How many senior citiziens from Michigan drowned when their boat capsized? I wonder if they think kidding about boating accidents is a joke. By the way, "joke" is your description of what you previously said, not mine. If they complained about someone joking about a boating accident, I wonder if they "have no business on usenet." Again, your words, not mine. |
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