Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:01:22 -0500, Marty wrote:


Especially as the elephant has stomped the 'lads' three times in a
row. Damn, if somebody punched my lights out every time I bothered him
I'd quit bothering, move to Saudi and get a job.


Does not work that way. The more Israel attacks the Palestinians the
more easily outfits like Hamas can recruit. When Israeli rockets kill 5
little girls who are sisters, those girls act as poster children to
motivate the next wave of suicide bombers.

Hamas isn't be hurt here. It's being helped.

"slide" wrote in message
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:01:22 -0500, Marty wrote:


Especially as the elephant has stomped the 'lads' three times in a
row. Damn, if somebody punched my lights out every time I bothered him
I'd quit bothering, move to Saudi and get a job.


Does not work that way. The more Israel attacks the Palestinians the more
easily outfits like Hamas can recruit. When Israeli rockets kill 5 little
girls who are sisters, those girls act as poster children to motivate the
next wave of suicide bombers.

Hamas isn't be hurt here. It's being helped.

"We will stop raping you when you stop resisting us."

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:30:40 -0700, slide wrote:


Does not work that way. The more Israel attacks the Palestinians the
more easily outfits like Hamas can recruit. When Israeli rockets kill 5
little girls who are sisters, those girls act as poster children to
motivate the next wave of suicide bombers.

Hamas isn't be hurt here. It's being helped.

Israel has been fighting the same war, the same way, for 50 years. Slow
learners?

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:44:37 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 10:30:40 -0700, slide wrote:


Does not work that way. The more Israel attacks the Palestinians the
more easily outfits like Hamas can recruit. When Israeli rockets kill 5
little girls who are sisters, those girls act as poster children to
motivate the next wave of suicide bombers.

Hamas isn't be hurt here. It's being helped.

Israel has been fighting the same war, the same way, for 50 years. Slow
learners?

Their only alternative - as I see it - is to use a "final solution"
remedy on the Palestinians. They won't of course.
Allowing full integration will only cause a delayed destruction of
Israel, as the Palestinians will multiply like rabbits, and when their
numbers are large enough the will have their vengeance.
I don't see this ending until either every Palestinian or every
Israeli jew is dead.
Bleak, but there it is. Israel reminds me of those ancient
city-states where every citizen must also be a warrior.
The Palestinians were wronged decades ago, as were the Armenians,
the Serbs, the Croats, and any number of ethnic groups.
There is a blood lust involved that may take centuries to fade.
In the meantime, it's business as usual.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:44:37 -0600, wrote:

Their only alternative - as I see it - is to use a "final solution"
remedy on the Palestinians. They won't of course.
Allowing full integration will only cause a delayed destruction of
Israel, as the Palestinians will multiply like rabbits, and when their
numbers are large enough the will have their vengeance.
I don't see this ending until either every Palestinian or every
Israeli jew is dead.
Bleak, but there it is. Israel reminds me of those ancient
city-states where every citizen must also be a warrior.
The Palestinians were wronged decades ago, as were the Armenians,
the Serbs, the Croats, and any number of ethnic groups.
There is a blood lust involved that may take centuries to fade.
In the meantime, it's business as usual.


I don't agree that the Jews are all right here. They demand an
ethnically pure state which is the root of this problem. I don't see how
Jews here in the US can bleat about how they feel sorry for Mex's
sneaking in here and we need multiculturalism while they support pure
ethnic identity in Israel. Sure, the Arabs will maybe some day be a
large voting block in Israel - tough **** on the Jews. So they need to
accommodate non-Jews in their politics.

Once the US was pretty much all white & the whites didn't need to take
into consideration the needs or desires of non-whites. How many Jews in
the US would back a return to those days? So here in the US we probably
will survive a black president and damn it, time for the Jews to think
that maybe a future PM of Israel will be an Arab.

Jews in the US like to boast that they marched for integration in the
US. OK, time for a few of those marches in Israel.

slide wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:44:37 -0600, wrote:

Their only alternative - as I see it - is to use a "final solution"
remedy on the Palestinians. They won't of course.
Allowing full integration will only cause a delayed destruction of
Israel, as the Palestinians will multiply like rabbits, and when their
numbers are large enough the will have their vengeance.
I don't see this ending until either every Palestinian or every
Israeli jew is dead.
Bleak, but there it is. Israel reminds me of those ancient
city-states where every citizen must also be a warrior.
The Palestinians were wronged decades ago, as were the Armenians,
the Serbs, the Croats, and any number of ethnic groups.
There is a blood lust involved that may take centuries to fade.
In the meantime, it's business as usual.


I don't agree that the Jews are all right here. They demand an
ethnically pure state which is the root of this problem.

What makes you think that? 20% of legal Israeli citizens are Arab. What
problem has their been with them? A huge non-Israeli transient group of
mostly Arabs attempt to take advantage of the economic freedom and
vibrant economy of Israel. Those have been a problem because the suicide
terrorist who target innocent citizens sneak in among them. After many
different attempted solutions resulting in the death of many innocents
this group has been severely restricted, with good reason.

I don't see how
Jews here in the US can bleat about how they feel sorry for Mex's
sneaking in here and we need multiculturalism while they support pure
ethnic identity in Israel. Sure, the Arabs will maybe some day be a
large voting block in Israel - tough **** on the Jews. So they need to
accommodate non-Jews in their politics.

What makes you think they don't?

Stephen

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:31:13 -0700, slide
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:44:37 -0600, wrote:

Their only alternative - as I see it - is to use a "final solution"
remedy on the Palestinians. They won't of course.
Allowing full integration will only cause a delayed destruction of
Israel, as the Palestinians will multiply like rabbits, and when their
numbers are large enough the will have their vengeance.
I don't see this ending until either every Palestinian or every
Israeli jew is dead.
Bleak, but there it is. Israel reminds me of those ancient
city-states where every citizen must also be a warrior.
The Palestinians were wronged decades ago, as were the Armenians,
the Serbs, the Croats, and any number of ethnic groups.
There is a blood lust involved that may take centuries to fade.
In the meantime, it's business as usual.


I don't agree that the Jews are all right here. They demand an
ethnically pure state which is the root of this problem. I don't see how
Jews here in the US can bleat about how they feel sorry for Mex's
sneaking in here and we need multiculturalism while they support pure
ethnic identity in Israel. Sure, the Arabs will maybe some day be a
large voting block in Israel - tough **** on the Jews. So they need to
accommodate non-Jews in their politics.

Once the US was pretty much all white & the whites didn't need to take
into consideration the needs or desires of non-whites. How many Jews in
the US would back a return to those days? So here in the US we probably
will survive a black president and damn it, time for the Jews to think
that maybe a future PM of Israel will be an Arab.

Jews in the US like to boast that they marched for integration in the
US. OK, time for a few of those marches in Israel.

Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the
Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel
should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or
blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I
would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our
history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the
language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a
bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone.
Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the
phone without speaking Spanish.
So I'm sure we agree on some things.
My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew
from the occupied territories and I saw the result.
Not a damned thing changed.
Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote in
:

Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.

--Vic


Let's try an experiment. I don't know where you live, but let's say it's
Florida......

World War 2 is almost over and a small, but financially powerful, group of
Seminole Indians want a country all their own. They know they can't get it
in America, but they have gotten control of America's currency and worked
very hard to help the British to win the war against the Germans with
hidden funding, intellegence, and some really dirty tricks.

Canada and Britain have promised these Indians that after the war they are
going to go into Florida with military force and throw the damned
Americans, Cubans and Mexicans out of Florida, kill all the Florida
bureaucrats and politicians to shut down all the legal, long-time-operating
political systems those damned Americans have put in to run Florida and
give the whole damned state to the Seminole Indians after they run all the
Floridians out of their homes, businesses and kill as many as necessary to
take over Florida, completely.

There's a big war for a couple of years as Floridians resisted the British
and Canadian military forces and hundreds of thosands of Floridian Freedom
Fighters were summarily killed trying to save their state from FOREIGN
OCCUPATION. Canada and Britain had no right to do what they did, but they
just did it because of this secret deal they had with the Seminoles.

Now under British and Canadian military control, the Floridians at least
subdued into submission, the new State of Seminolia, run ONLY by Seminole
Indians, is founded. Only Seminoles can hold any position of any power to
prevent Floridians from ever infiltrating the new state the Brits setup and
voting their indian asses out of the country. Seminoles, of course, hate
all Floridians, no matter what kind of race they are because they are NOT
Seminoles! Seminoles must be a PURE RACE, as they learned from the Nazis
in the Third Reich....genocide included.

So, the new "State of Seminolia" with its blue and white flag and Seminole
religious symbol in the middle to show everybody this is an SEMINOLE ONLY
state, starts.

Floridians still have that nasty taste in their mouths from being run out
of their homes, off their orange groves, out of Dizzy World and left on the
street. Do you think Floridians will EVER.....EVER.....stop blowing every
Seminole they can get their grubby, slimy hands on all to hell? Shall
Floridians just forgive and forget and let the Seminoles have their
PROPERTY....their family orange groves forcibly extracted from them at the
point of the gun of the British Army?

What's different with Palestinians? Why are THEY the perpetrators EVERY
time you hear two Americans talking about them blowing up as many Jews as
they can possibly get with their car bomb? The answer is quite simple,
actually. Those two Americans have been TRAINED, or brainwashed, into
thinking Seminoles are GREAT and the finest people on the planet and
FLORIDIANS are ANIMALS, because the Seminoles have infiltrated the US
government, schools, MEDIA and control all the money. In President
McCain's administration, there are dual-citizenship Seminolia-Americans in
all the highest position to make SURE noone ever says a discouraging word
about Seminolia and brainwashes the new generations of Americans into
thinking that Seminolia was a wonderful idea, to hell with the actual TRUTH
of what was done, the HISTORICAL FACTS.

Every other day, some Floridian sneaks into an Seminolia police station or
Seminole mall or past the Seminolia border guards and just blows the ****
out of the place, killing 50 Seminoles and their supporters. TV news
across the globe reports that "Floridian Terrorists" killed 50 people in
Pinellas County just north of St Pete, Seminolia.

================================================== ===============

40 years have passed. Floridian terrorists become more successful at
blowing up Seminole Indian settlers in new towns where Floridians used to
live in peace with their neighbors, the Georgians. "Enough is Enough",
Chief **** in his Pants declares as he orders the now amazingly powerful
Seminolia Army and Air Force, the 3rd largest military machine on the
planet to CRUSH the Floridian enclave of Jacksonville. Seminolia jets
pound Jacksonville relentlessly. Georgians have closed the border
crossings not putting the Floridians in a virtual state of siege, no food,
no water, no power, no hope. Floridians intensify their home made rocket
attacks on St Augustine, killing 4 Seminoles.

The world, fearful of Seminole POWER over their currency, media and
infiltrated governments, says, "Good riddance to those damned Floridian
Terrorists." ........in other news, an Ohio woman has given birth to
quads after taking a fertility drug......

Floridians are said to have "Blood Lust" because they still live in tin
shacks while the Seminoles live in their houses in Orlando and Ft Myers.
Everyone looks the other way, including other American states. The
Seminoles are known to possess several NUCLEAR WEAPONS in their secret
underground lab in Casselbury, near Orlando, on Seminolia's Army Reserve.

The Seminoles continue to build their 700 mile concrete aparthied wall
around the areas still controlled by the Floridians they haven't been able
to murder......yet. The wall divides Floridian shanty towns from the few
orange groves the Floridians still persist in caring for, as they have
since Florida was a new state. The wall keeps Floridians away from
Seminole children so those children never start asking why they are only
allowed to speak to other Seminole children of the superior Seminole
religion and race. Seminole children are taught non-Seminoles are all
"Goyum" and are just animals for their use.

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:02:48 +0000, Larry wrote:

Vic Smith wrote in
:

Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.

--Vic


Let's try an experiment. I don't know where you live, but let's say it's
Florida......

World War 2 is almost over and a small, but financially powerful, group of
Seminole Indians want a country all their own. They know they can't get it
in America, but they have gotten control of America's currency and worked
very hard to help the British to win the war against the Germans with
hidden funding, intellegence, and some really dirty tricks.

Canada and Britain have promised these Indians that after the war they are
going to go into Florida with military force and throw the damned

Larry, when you give all of your posessions (property, house,
everything else you own) back to the INDIANS who had their land taken
away from them so you can own it and you move back to Europe or
wherever your forfathers emigrated from, then you may have a single
iota of credability on this subject. Until then, you're just blowing
smoke signals.

Steve

Vic Smith wrote:


Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the
Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel
should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or
blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I
would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our
history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the
language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a
bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone.
Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the
phone without speaking Spanish.
So I'm sure we agree on some things.
My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew
from the occupied territories and I saw the result.
Not a damned thing changed.
Blood lust. Not too different than the other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.



The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically
clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their
argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black
takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to
SA) state.

Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no
precinct in the US be less than 51% white?

The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian
hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no
industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in
Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by
wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA.

What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing
for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that
their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare
life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering
across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in.
They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine
guns.

I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys.
Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at
the entire picture.