On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:52:11 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
I don't think you've read it. I have. It's not about violence any more
than
is the bible.


Sorry about your misconceptions. I lived for nearly 20 years in the
largest Moslem nation in the world and read the Koran several times.
Your statement that it is no more violent then the Christian Bible is
true however the Bible is rather emphatic about things - thou shall
not suffer a witch to live, etc. Read the return to the promised land
after the Egyptian interlude for examples of God's will.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I withdraw my comment that you haven't read it, but I stand by your
confirmation that the bible is no different. If that's the case, then it
seems like my original statement isn't far off. Most Christians don't
believe the bible advocates violence. I believe that most Muslims don't
believe the Koran advocates violence either.

Are you a Muslim? If not, then did you feel yourself to be in danger? FYI,
I've read that many of that religion are offended by the use of Moslem vs.
Muslim. Have you heard of this?

I found a reference on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim.

If the Christian bible doesn't advocates violence I must have read the
wrong book as the one I read was full of violence. Abraham told to
kill his son in Genesis, the plagues in Egypt, the return to the Holy
Land, David ordering the husband to be placed in the front ranks, and
on and on.

But you are correct, in recent years Christians , well most of them
anyway, are disregarding the ugly parts.

The difference is that the Moslems believe that the Koran is literally
"the word of God" as told to Muhammad. Thus to a devote Moslem
everything in the book is true and right.

In addition, the majority of the world's Moslems are from primitive
countries where it is not at all unusual to take drastic actions to
correct perceived wrongs. the Palestinians still practice "honor
murders". Killing a daughter who finds her own boyfriend, for example.
The Saudis still cut off people's hands for theft. Blood feuds abound
in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

When you take this combination of God's Word (from his mouth to your
ear) and a primitive society you have a very volatile situation where
all it takes is a few aggressive Imams to preach the holy war on
Friday.

As far as spelling goes. At least in Indonesia you could (and they do)
spell many religious names various ways. I never had anyone correct me
whether I used Moslem or Muslim. they did object to being called
Mohammedan though.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Capt. JG wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,
Where would I find this little-known verse?
In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was effective,
but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

No, its pretty accurate. The closest English to the original Hebrew is
"You shall not let live a sorceress."

The big question is: what qualifies as sorcery? This particular case is
a bit vague, but the injunction is repeated with more specifics in Deut
18:10-11 (from the JPS version): "Let no one be found among you who
consigns his son or daughter to the fire, or who is an augur, a
soothsayer, a diviner, a sorcerer, one who casts spells, or one who
consults ghost or familiar spirits, or one who inquires of the dead."

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:50:32 -0500, jeff wrote:

"Let no one be found among you who
consigns his son or daughter to the fire, or who is an augur, a
soothsayer, a diviner, a sorcerer, one who casts spells, or one who
consults ghost or familiar spirits, or one who inquires of the dead."

Sounds like a good start. Now add politicians and lawyers to the list.

Casady

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:50:32 -0500, jeff wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:44:08 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
said:

thou shall
not suffer a witch to live,
Where would I find this little-known verse?
In the Bible, of course. It isn't "little-known" by any serious reader
since there are a number of situations that refer back to it. In the
ancient Hebrew world there was little doubt that witchcraft was effective,
but it was considered an insult to God.

Specifically, its Exodus 22:18 in the King James. In the Hebrew (JPS)
Bible its Exodus 22:17, just between "seducing a virgin for whom the
bride-price has not been paid" and "lies with a beast."


I believe it's a mis-translation.

No, its pretty accurate. The closest English to the original Hebrew is
"You shall not let live a sorceress."

The big question is: what qualifies as sorcery? This particular case is
a bit vague, but the injunction is repeated with more specifics in Deut
18:10-11 (from the JPS version): "Let no one be found among you who
consigns his son or daughter to the fire, or who is an augur, a
soothsayer, a diviner, a sorcerer, one who casts spells, or one who
consults ghost or familiar spirits, or one who inquires of the dead."

Don't get carried away with miss-translations in the Christian Bible
they are pretty wide spread. The commandment against killing is worded
as a commandment against murder in the Jewish sources. "Thou shall not
commit murder" not "Thou shall not kill".

Anyway, not many have paid any attention to it in the past 2000
years...
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:36:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a
Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else.
Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good
enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about
irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly
thoughts.

I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

Are you trying to say that the Jews plan to kill every single
inhabitant of the Gaza Strip? Or did you have some other similarity in
mind?

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:36:36 -0600, wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


This is yet again disgusting. You're claiming that everything is a
Zionist plot. That Jews are bad. We get it. Now take it somewhere else.
Your racist attitudes are your own problem, but it seems that's not good
enough. You claimed previously that I have "****ty attitude." Talk about
irony. It's sickening and has no place anywhere except in your own ugly
thoughts.

I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

Are you trying to say that the Jews plan to kill every single
inhabitant of the Gaza Strip? Or did you have some other similarity in
mind?

Casady


I have a friend who lives in a gated community. I guess that's like Gaza.

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