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Is there a way to check plywood to minimize voids?
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I would imagine that a good engineering firm with a full set of non
destructive testing equipment could do it for only a few thousand per sheet ;-) Brian |
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The best way is to know your plywood standards and buy the wood that has an
acceptable level of quality. BS1088 is the lowest grade that I know of that guarantees NO voids. Short of guessing according to what standard applies, note that you can get a good idea of how many voids are in the wood by inspecting all 4 cut edges. Look at the whole unit, check the average quality of the stack, then hand-pick wood that has the smallest and fewest voids. My experience is that when cutting the wood (so picked) that the voids you find are no worse than what you see along the edges. Quality varies a lot by lot (pardon the pun) so be sure to shop several lumber yards before buying. Brian -- My boat project: http://www.advantagecomposites.com/tongass "Gone Angling" wrote in message ... Is there a way to check plywood to minimize voids? |
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"Brian D" ) writes:
.. Quality varies a lot by lot (pardon the pun) so be sure to shop several lumber yards before buying. I'll say. I almost fell over the day I saw a whole skid of flawless lauan underlayment. No worm holes. No edge voids. No splits in the face ply. Perfect. You can run a lamp awith a metal shade tight over the face of thin plywood like underlayment in a dark room and see the voids as light streaks. Lauan underlayment voids show up as red streaks. You can mark the voids with a pencil. You can fill the voids by putting little pieces of tape over the pencil line every few inches and drilling a small hole through the tape and all but the opposite face ply of the wood. Then pump filler into the holes with a caulking gun unitl it oozes out the nearest holes. If you drill right through the plywood just put a piece of tape over the opposet side of the plywood to seal the hole. For filler I've used ordinary house calk and also the PL Premium polyurethane glue builders of small boat like. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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I have a few other questions. I'm building a simple boat (cajun flat bottom 10
feet) as a starter project. The points of the bottom are plotted on a piece of plywood. What would i use to make a smooth curve? Do you use a hand held jig saw to cut it out? I want to put a fancy deck on it. Would a hardwood veneer plywood be ok? I'm not sure if it is rated for exterior use. Other material to use? 1/4 inch ply is that equivalent to 6mm. Is 5.2 mm luan too thin for sides and deck. Can i join plywood by a butt joint and a 1x 2 across the joint on the interior. All my materials are to be bought from a home depot type store. Thanks |
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"Gone Angling" wrote in message
... I have a few other questions. I'm building a simple boat (cajun flat bottom 10 feet) as a starter project. The points of the bottom are plotted on a piece of plywood. What would i use to make a smooth curve? A thin wood batten -- piece of pine, 1/4" thick, no knots, will work pretty well. Do you use a hand held jig saw to cut it out? If you're careful. Use a wide blade. Cut a little over and then plane or belt sand to finish. I want to put a fancy deck on it. Would a hardwood veneer plywood be ok? I'm not sure if it is rated for exterior use. Other material to use? Plywood veneers, particularly expensive woods like teak, are very thin, leaving you no room for sanding if you don't keep the varnish in good shape. There are various ways around this, but all of them are heavy in a ten foot boat. Most (maybe all) modern plywood is made with exterior glues, so I wouldn't worry too much about this for a boat that is not going to take a lot of abuse -- I assume that the fancy deck means you intend to take good care of it. 1/4 inch ply is that equivalent to 6mm. Is 5.2 mm luan too thin for sides and deck. 1/4" is actually 6.35mm -- normally we ignore the difference, except that most Home Depot quarter inch ply is actually six millimeter which is a nuisance if you're using a router for dadoes. So 5.2 is actually 1.15mm under, or about 20%. Check the drawings and make sure you aren't going both thinner and weaker. It's probably all right, though, as plywood is pretty strong, but it will deflect more. Can i join plywood by a butt joint and a 1x 2 across the joint on the interior. Yes, if the drawings call for it. A scarf is better, but requires a couple of practice tries to figure it out. All my materials are to be bought from a home depot type store. You have my sympathy. I find Home Despot very convenient, but often frustrating. -- Jim Woodward www.mvFintry.com .. |
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"Gone Angling" writes: I have a few other questions. I'm building a simple boat (cajun flat bottom 10 feet) as a starter project. The points of the bottom are plotted on a piece of plywood. What would i use to make a smooth curve? A batten. Buy a 3/4" x 3/4" x 1/16" x 96" extruded aluminum angle and use the back edge. You can pick up spots that are out by as little as 1/32" this way. I faired out a 55 ft boat using this method. HTH -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures |
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We show pictures of the method at our tech. support web site:
http://bateau2.com/modules.php?name=...ticles&secid=1 See "Camber and other curves . . " I like to cut smooth curves with a circular saw, they come out much nicer than with a jig saw. The limit is 3/8" plywood but since you work with 1/4", it will work. Lauan? That is another matter. I have seen some very nice one on some very bad. It's probably good enough for a practice boat if you coat it with epoxy. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Gone Angling" wrote in message ... I have a few other questions. I'm building a simple boat (cajun flat bottom 10 feet) as a starter project. The points of the bottom are plotted on a piece of plywood. What would i use to make a smooth curve? Do you use a hand held jig saw to cut it out? I want to put a fancy deck on it. Would a hardwood veneer plywood be ok? I'm not sure if it is rated for exterior use. Other material to use? 1/4 inch ply is that equivalent to 6mm. Is 5.2 mm luan too thin for sides and deck. Can i join plywood by a butt joint and a 1x 2 across the joint on the interior. All my materials are to be bought from a home depot type store. Thanks |
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Gone Angling ) writes:
I have a few other questions. I'm building a simple boat (cajun flat bottom 10 feet) as a starter project. The points of the bottom are plotted on a piece of plywood. What would i use to make a smooth curve? plastic electrical conduit is good. comes in 10 ft lengths at "Home Depot type stores". cheap and no need to rip a thin piece of wood which probably won't come out even anyway. Do you use a hand held jig saw to cut it out? yes but a jig saw wobbles more than a circular saw. I use a jig saw for cutting tight curves and small pieces. I want to put a fancy deck on it. Would a hardwood veneer plywood be ok? I'm not sure if it is rated for exterior use. Other material to use? decorative wall panels are not waterproof. I'd only use it above the waterline on a boat kept under cover when not in use. 1/4 inch ply is that equivalent to 6mm. Is 5.2 mm luan too thin for sides and deck. 5.22 mm lauan is 1/5 inch. Can i join plywood by a butt joint and a 1x 2 across the joint on the interior. two separate things. 1x2 is a framing. you can fasten panels so they end on a frame. a 4" wide piece of the same plywood is a good butt. fasten with glue and "clinched" (bent over and back in) little nails. people often butt join plywood with fibreglass tape soaked in resin. most people recommend epoxy resin but I've used cheaper polyester. All my materials are to be bought from a home depot type store. builders of small cheap boats use polyurethane cosntruction adhesive in a tube available from these types of stores. Bulldog PL Premium is the one most often mentioned. I use it. there are photos of my cheap plywood boats on my website (see below). its common for amateurs to build this way for themselves, not expecting a boat they can pass on to their grandchildren's grandchildren. Of my boats the Dogskiff and Loonie are lauan underlayment. The Delta is virola underlayment. I left the virola boat outside last winter and the plys were comming apart at the edge. Had to cut some off one end. I brought it in this winter. Otherwise the virola boat stays outside. I don't expect it to last long. The lauan boats are kept inside. (They hang on pegs on the garage wall.) They are holding up very well. The Dogskiff has been used 4 summers now and is in great shape. TF Jones had a lauan underlayment kayak 9 years, kept inside when not in use, and it was still in fine shape when he cut it up because he got tired of it and wanted to make a different boat. No great loss. good luck -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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