Corbin ................................ LOL.................

On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL.................




I sailed one this summer, SLOWco. Have you ever sailed one?


Hmmmmm?



RB

On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL.................




BTW, Sloco.....We had a Depressed 30 at our docks for a few weeks.
Nice owners, which was a surprise. They bought the boat as a stop-gap,
which I found hilarious. The boat is quick, but on a reach my 35s5
passed them as did my friend's 30/30. They then added better sails
from UK and the boat STILL couldn't keep up with us. Not exactly
shocking since my boat is larger and with my shallow draft they could
point slightly higher, though not as good as the 30/30. The interior
is awful, quite depressed as the name suggests. But why buy one when a
J30 offers a far nicer interior and more hulls to play with? The 30/30
is both faster and FAR better looking. Of course my boat is faster and
about 100 times better looking and nicer to be aboard.
Not matter. I heard you finally bought a nice boat and sold the
depress 30 at last. Good for you! What did you buy?



RB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL.................


Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to
which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every few
years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires.

Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for
the task at hand.

Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc.
without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like insights
into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people here
would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more useful
and interesting.

I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge
to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it.

On 9 Oct, 18:53, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

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On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL.................

Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to
which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every few
years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires.

Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for
the task at hand.

Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc.
without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like insights
into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people here
would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more useful
and interesting.

I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge
to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it.

Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience. RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats. Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts. Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.

My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice. All of us will
give advice that we think will help *you* to make the
right choice. Unfortunately, my "right choice" may not
be your "right choice".

As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).

However, when I bought my boat I took option
1). It worked for me.


I think that it all depends on how confident you
feel about your ability to define your own ultimate
yacht.



Regards


Donal
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I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for
losing portlights in bad conditions.

wrote in message
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On 9 Oct, 18:53, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

...

On Oct 9, 1:47 am, Ringmaster wrote:
Corbin ................................ LOL.................

Seems to me the boat desired, needed, required, etc. depends on the use to
which it will be put. RB agrees, I think, since he changes boats every
few
years, and we know he can afford any boat his heart desires.

Crab crushers have their uses and in some roles are the very best boat for
the task at hand.

Can we not discuss the pros and cons of a particular boat, its uses etc.
without the "my boat is superior to yours?" Frankly, I would like
insights
into the relative merits of boats for particular uses. If more people
here
would dispassionately discuss boats, I would find this newsgroup more
useful
and interesting.

I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough
knowledge
to discuss boats intelligently. It is a shame there isn't more of it.

Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience. RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats. Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts. Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.

My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice. All of us will
give advice that we think will help *you* to make the
right choice. Unfortunately, my "right choice" may not
be your "right choice".

As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).

However, when I bought my boat I took option
1). It worked for me.


I think that it all depends on how confident you
feel about your ability to define your own ultimate
yacht.



Regards


Donal
--



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.

wrote in message
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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.



Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

wrote:
Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience.


Sure we can... or at least, I can and it looks like a few others do it
very enthusastically.

.... RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats.

Looks to me like Oz has raced a lot of different class boats, done
some ocean racing (IIRC he's done the Sydney-Hobart) and cruisers in
various parts of the world. AFAIK he talks (posts) about it with
enough accurate detail that he's not BSing.


....Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts.

No, I've raced a lot of smaller ones.... once in a while a bigger one.
And I've definitely spent more time underway cruising or daysailing
than racing, but it's not as interesting to talk about IMHO.


Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.


And Bart has quite a bit more yet.


My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice.

Maybe you have a knack for it?



As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).


Not sure I get what you're saying. Don't buy the boat you really
really want, that will do the tasks you really want to undertake? That
sounds like the safest course to me, rather than buying something
smaller & cheaper & less suitable, just to gain experience... at a
large cost in dollars & time!

I'm not old enough to buy an "ultimate" boat, I've always picked out
boats that would suit what I wanted to do... and were suitable for the
places I lived & sailed at the time. For example, my current ride was
largely chosen for the benefit of being kept on a trailer, out of the
water; with the concurrent benefit of shoal draft. There really wasn't
anything like I *really* wanted on the market, although a bunch of
boats came closer... now I'm thinking about either building a custom
sportboat (which is insane) or buying a Flying Tiger 7.5 (when they
finally get here). We're also keeping the tugboat for cruising, so we
don't need a sailboat to answer that need. Which makes it easy!



However, when I bought my boat I took option
1). It worked for me.

I think that it all depends on how confident you
feel about your ability to define your own ultimate
yacht.


Agreed. I'm puzzled why you don't think anybody else can pick option 1
as well.


"Capt. JG" wrote:
I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students.

And it's good advice... also a good way to pick up a 'feel' for the
charactistics of different types of boats.


It's not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.


It's all one mass, IMHO

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


It all depends. Mast & rigging cause more windage than a pilothouse.
With good construction & modern materials, big ports can be as strong
as any other part of the hull or superstructure. A bigger factor IMHO
is handling, deck layout for all the tasks cruisers have to do
including access to/from the water (or dinghy), and how really
comfortable the boat will be away from it's support base.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug, Not sure but I think they had a unfinished Flying Tiger 7.5 at
the show. The boat I saw that looked like a 7.5 was in the water but
had no rig, hatches, deck hardware etc. No rep was there so I'm not
sure. Looked like it would be a hoot. I checked out the new Andrews
28 and it looked like a winner.