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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Wauqiez and Jboat, they can't compete with the 35s5 from a design
standpoint.

That's probably true if you're a moron.


Yeah, one of those Mooron's who's 6'3 and wonders why anyone would make
a bunk 6'4 or even 6'6. When my wife saw the Wauqiez sleeping quarters
she laughed.

Interesting how you seem stuck on berth length as the primary criteria in
selecting a boat. Then again, if one uses his boat as a dockside condo, I
can understand your reasoning. Personally I'll put up with quite a bit of
inconvenience below in order to have a beautiful, fast, great-sailing
machine.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Swans are
always among the prettiest, most comfortable, and fastest boats in
production.

Doug is such a complete idiot. Comfortable for who? Doing what? You
mean a Swan is more comfortable than a big PDQ? Holy crap.

My wife and I spent a weekend on a new 44' Nautor Swan in '99, soon after
the owner took possession. Nothing--absolutely nothing-- could even
remotely be termed "uncomfortable" on that boat, below or topside. It was
diligently designed, beautifully executed, and sailed like a dream. Sad
part was its price: around $800K. I can't afford one.

Max

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Maxprop wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Wauqiez and Jboat, they can't compete with the 35s5 from a design
standpoint.

That's probably true if you're a moron.


Yeah, one of those Mooron's who's 6'3 and wonders why anyone would make
a bunk 6'4 or even 6'6. When my wife saw the Wauqiez sleeping quarters
she laughed.


Interesting how you seem stuck on berth length as the primary criteria in
selecting a boat. Then again, if one uses his boat as a dockside condo, I
can understand your reasoning. Personally I'll put up with quite a bit of
inconvenience below in order to have a beautiful, fast, great-sailing
machine.

Max


Not!

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Maxprop wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message


No. There is no such thing as zero heel--a boat will always heel
when
beating to windward unless it's a small dinghy with a 300lb. skipper
and
similarly-sized crew.

Not true.


Explanation of your response, please.


The boat heels in response to
1- the amount of wind
2- the way the sails are trimmed

If there's a LOT of wind, then yes the boat will heel... even with no
sails up at all. In normal sailing winds, it is quite possible to trim for
5 degrees windward heel. This is not new, it was fairly common advice...
yet very rarely followed... back in the 1960s.

I can't imagine what sort of trim would heel a close-hauled boat to windward
in normal (non-drifter) winds,WITHOUT the addition of hiking railmeat. But
I'm open to learn.

One thing that is new, and that I have not tried, is Oz1's advice that
fancy plastic sails don't need to be heeled to take shape in very light
air.

Fully-battened mains will obviously stay in shape, even when heeled to
windward. But I wasn't aware that the same thing could be achieved with
some of the new sheet laminate headsails.

Yep. The boat accelerates much better and if it's one of those gawd-awful
days with chop & light air, it can go thru the lumpy parts better.


I agree that it does, but what is your explanation for this effect?


???

Why do I have to explain it?

You don't have to do anything you don't want to do, but there must be some
reason for it. I was just curious, not interogative.

It doesn't take a heavy crew, even.


Not in light air. That's what I said originally.


Nor in moderate air... if you're in control of the boat and not
vice-versa.

Depends upon your definition of "moderate air," and whether you're sailing a
dinghy or a more substantial keel boat. A dinghy is easy to keep bolt
upright in moderate air, but a keel boat will be somewhat more difficult
unless one has a hefty crew complement on the weather rail.



OTOH there are times when I like a lot of heel, like just before a tack
;)


For roll-tacking?


Bingo.

Roll-tacking was not allowed in Snipe events when I raced them. Now
apparently it's SOP. When just sailing around the lake with friends or my
wife, I used to roll-tack the Snipe and found it to be a very effective way
to power through the tack. This was long before discussions of the maneuver
hit the sailing press. Later I used it routinely when racing Lasers, but
finally was DSQ'd in one race in a regatta in Michigan for using "disallowed
kinetics." Forced to stop, it ****ed me off so thoroughly that I sold the
Laser and quit dingy racing altogether. It was a bitter pill to discover
that years later it was considered okay.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message

I've never comsidered arrogance as a character flaw and insolance
predisposes that ranking is in question. :-)

One of my residency preceptors once told me: "It's okay to be arrogant, but
only if you can back it up with intelligence, knowledge, abilities and
reputation." It's a character flaw if you can't support it in such a
manner, IMO.

Unfortunate as it may be, threads just don't seem to propagate on polite
humility.

The best way to kill this group is a continuous stream of polite sailing
discussions.

Oh, **** you. (I'll not be accused of tanking this NG) g

I've considered this group one of the best comedy venues online. I was
often rendered to tears of laughter when Ganz was losing it! One of my
favourites is when some poor soul inadvertently wanders in and posts a
diatribe prior to reading the group thoroughly.

There is another, but it may not interest you: rec.motorcycles.harley In
its own way it's a lot more fun than ASA.


Nonetheless... when it comes to sailing knowledge.... this is one of the
best spots for information... if you "pose your question in the form of an
answer"!

Are you Alex Trabek?

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message

The thing to remember is that without the "straight guys" most comedy
routines here would die at the first post.

C'mon, you two. If you both are honest, you've got to admit that you each
have played the disgruntled "straight guy" on occasion. We all have.


I was here when Dr. Armpit went over the edge... that was frickin'
hilarious!

One of my favourites was "Lil Stevie Sumner"... Oh and Ganzy after the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at everything!

The whole distant left wing went nuts post-election. Ganz was just a single
example of what happened to them all. Funny, but for some reason he found
it worthwhile to vent here. I'd have just gone home and gotten drunk.

Max

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


Oh and Ganzy after
the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at
everything!


Hey, I was pretty upset when Bush won too.

My point exactly. See my post to Mooron.

Ironic thing is that now
most people who voted for him feel the same way. Do you know that the
previous owner of the 35s5 asked me (two minutes after meeting) if I
was anti-Bush. When I said "Of course" he said he'd never sell his boat
to a Bush supporter. Scary part...I think he was serious.

That is scary. Segments of the far left are still not thinking clearly.

Max

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Interesting how you seem stuck on berth length as the primary criteria
in
selecting a boat. Then again, if one uses his boat as a dockside
condo, I
can understand your reasoning. Personally I'll put up with quite a bit
of
inconvenience below in order to have a beautiful, fast, great-sailing
machine.

I'm afraid I can't agree and never met anyone who would. Being able to
get a reasonable night's sleep aboard is pretty important even for a
weekend cruiser. Sleep is pretty important to sail a boat safely the
next day. I can't imagine anyone buying a boat with such a critical
shortcoming. Of course most people aren't 6'3, so they have no problem.
I also don't think it's asking too much for a boat to have a head with
legroom for a tall person to be able to use the toilet. Sadly, too many
boats, including some highly touted models are poorly designed. If a
Catalina 350 or Beneteau 35s5 can manage to hit the right notes, I
don't see why I should accept less because a premium name is stamped
somewhere. When it comes to choosing a boat, DESIGN is where the search
begins....not subjective beauty or performance. In other words, if the
boat don't fit, I aint buying.

RB
35s5...a boat that fits...and looks and sails great!
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message

I'm amazed by how many true Republicans feel that way now. Sure, there are
some rightwingnuts who'll never admit they were wrong, but with a 39%
approval rating, Bushco may even lose some of those when it finally comes
out that Rove/Chumpy revealed Plame to Novak and others.

Doubtful. Most of us who've abandoned our affection for W have done so for
any number of reasons, but not that fiasco. What's interesting is that
Scooter Libby hasn't been charged with revealing a CIA black operative.
Rather he's been charged with lying to a grand jury. Sound familiar? GOP
pulled the same political BS with Clinton and Starr. What is annoying is
that such political BS games are played on either side of the aisle. We
send representatives to DC to do our bidding, not engage in petty political
battles. They are wasting our money while keeping the media happy. Sucks.

The reason that W has lost so many of his original supporters is not because
of the Plame/Rove mess, and not *entirely* because of the Iraq war, albeit a
factor. It has more to do with failing to protect our borders from
undocumented aliens, from spending like there's a money pit somewhere in
Washington that we must not know about, and coming up with silly, crony
nominations for the Supreme Court, such as Harriet Meiers. Only you
liberals care about the Rove/Libby/Cheney scandal. Or about Tom DeLay. We
don't.

Max

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Dalef.124008$yS6.75248@clgrps12...
Bush won the election! CM


This is probably why you can't travel to the US.

He can't?

Max