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"DSK" wrote in message

The bottom line- Bubbles claims he bought a boat, paying more than 5X what
Scotty paid... and his boat is only slightly bigger, *maybe* slightly
faster (if Bubbles takes sailing lessons)... will be used less, and that
closer to it's home slip.

WTF has he got to brag about?

Not to worry--he'll concoct something.

Max

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message

"DSK" wrote in message

The bottom line- Bubbles claims he bought a boat, paying more than 5X
what Scotty paid... and his boat is only slightly bigger, *maybe*
slightly faster (if Bubbles takes sailing lessons)... will be used less,
and that closer to it's home slip.

All Valid Facts......

WTF has he got to brag about?

Nothing... he does it to generate sailing discussion. Look at the topic
and subject matter on this group since he has returned!
Politics... next to nothing.... yet he is single-handedly handling a
myraid of attacks on his prepostorous claims.

He has waaaay too much time on his hands. But dont' forget that Bubbles
instigated many, if not all, of the past political discussions.


He even requested I join in the assault to offer some sport. Now he's
reconsidering the logic of that request!

Mr. Crantz has been breakin' Bob's Balls with his race results!

True again. But his posted results have been selective. A thorough search
will probably disclose some significant 35s5 victories, too, and over
supposedly faster boats.

Bubbles does a commendable job of trolling. In that regard he is on par
with Neal--the old version. And to his credit, he utilizes posting
techniques in such a manner as to sound supremely arrogant and insolent.
Unfortunate as it may be, threads just don't seem to propagate on polite
humility.

Max

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I'd take the Swan, but not the Wauquez or J. We could have had either,
but the designs were not comparable to the 35s5. In the case of the
Wauquez we looked at one in CT in very good shape. Bunks were too
short, head was tiny, no swim platform.


A swim platform is a necessity for a sailboat to be worthwhile?

A feature you want is "worthwhile" and being able to sleep comfortably
on a 60-80K boat is not a "tall" order, but tough to find if you're
tall. The J-Boat had sleeping room, but no swim platform and no aft
cabin. Great boat for a couple, but less so for a family of 3 or 4.

Or, if maintained properly, they might be just fine. Best non-skid
available.

25-30 years is the typical lifespan for teak decks. Some go longer.
Teak decks can also hide expensive problems. I love them...but don't
want them on an older boat.
I'd have to try a Swan to know if it's a good boat for me. I don't
accept any boat by virtue of it's name. I looked at some pretty "good"
boats that were huge let-downs because of poor designs. The Tartan 34
MK2 and Briistol 35.5 were near the top of my list....and they I got
aboard them.
We looked at the Beneteau 35s5 and I had little hope of liking it. Life
can be funny. The 35s5 had the features we wanted and light air
ability. We then looked into the specific quality points and
history....we had found our boat. An added bonus...there are few
around. We have plenty of Bristols and Tartans, even Swans and a single
Nordic 30. But the 35s5 is rare enough here that I won't see it on the
road too often so to speak. Of course the main thing were the test
sails and the 35s5 was a blast, or as someone else wrote, "a screamer."
Anyway...I think you understand my choices as the group also does in
reality. But measured non-trolling posts like this one only drives them
deeper into a frenzy.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Maxprop" wrote in message

Bubbles does a commendable job of trolling. In that regard he is on par
with Neal--the old version.

He's a one man squad tackling poster & puppet alike.

And to his credit, he utilizes posting
techniques in such a manner as to sound supremely arrogant and insolent.

I've never comsidered arrogance as a character flaw and insolance
predisposes that ranking is in question. :-)

Unfortunate as it may be, threads just don't seem to propagate on polite
humility.

The best way to kill this group is a continuous stream of polite sailing
discussions.

I've considered this group one of the best comedy venues online. I was often
rendered to tears of laughter when Ganz was losing it! One of my favourites
is when some poor soul inadvertently wanders in and posts a diatribe prior
to reading the group thoroughly.

Nonetheless... when it comes to sailing knowledge.... this is one of the
best spots for information... if you "pose your question in the form of an
answer"!

CM

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The best way to kill this group is a continuous stream of polite
sailing
discussions.


Mooron, were you here when I drove Dr. Armpit into threats that he'd
drive here and kill me and most of the people on my block? He
practically went off the deep end, then we never heard from him again.
He'd been a regular for quite a while. We have some borderline cases
here. Doug, Loco and Jeff take all of this a bit to seriously and I
think I've shaved a few years off their frustrated little lives. Loco
has mentioned again and again how "he'll never forget how I treated him
when he first joined the group!" I actually think I drove Doug to buy a
trawler as he feared buying a sailboat that I'd rip apart. Jeff is
ready to use a chainsaw on his PeePeeQ and is upset that I told
everyone who don't own a 35s5 to kill themselves. I really only meant
Jeff. BTW, did you know that we sailed to Block Island last year and
never went to Port Jeff? The pics I posted we clearly of Mystic and no
one knew, not even the ones who claimed they've sailed here. Hmmmm.

RB
35s5
NY

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The thing to remember is that without the "straight guys" most comedy
routines here would die at the first post.

I was here when Dr. Armpit went over the edge... that was frickin'
hilarious!

One of my favourites was "Lil Stevie Sumner"... Oh and Ganzy after the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at everything!

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
The best way to kill this group is a continuous stream of polite
sailing
discussions.


Mooron, were you here when I drove Dr. Armpit into threats that he'd
drive here and kill me and most of the people on my block? He
practically went off the deep end, then we never heard from him again.
He'd been a regular for quite a while. We have some borderline cases
here. Doug, Loco and Jeff take all of this a bit to seriously and I
think I've shaved a few years off their frustrated little lives. Loco
has mentioned again and again how "he'll never forget how I treated him
when he first joined the group!" I actually think I drove Doug to buy a
trawler as he feared buying a sailboat that I'd rip apart. Jeff is
ready to use a chainsaw on his PeePeeQ and is upset that I told
everyone who don't own a 35s5 to kill themselves. I really only meant
Jeff. BTW, did you know that we sailed to Block Island last year and
never went to Port Jeff? The pics I posted we clearly of Mystic and no
one knew, not even the ones who claimed they've sailed here. Hmmmm.

RB
35s5
NY

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One of my favourites was "Lil Stevie Sumner"... Oh and Ganzy after
the
Bush won the election! He was snappin' like a rapid poodle at
everything!


Hey, I was pretty upset when Bush won too. Ironic thing is that now
most people who voted for him feel the same way. Do you know that the
previous owner of the 35s5 asked me (two minutes after meeting) if I
was anti-Bush. When I said "Of course" he said he'd never sell his boat
to a Bush supporter. Scary part...I think he was serious.

RB
35s5
NY

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Maxprop wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message


No. There is no such thing as zero heel--a boat will always heel when
beating to windward unless it's a small dinghy with a 300lb. skipper
and
similarly-sized crew.

Not true.


Explanation of your response, please.


The boat heels in response to
1- the amount of wind
2- the way the sails are trimmed

If there's a LOT of wind, then yes the boat will heel... even with no
sails up at all. In normal sailing winds, it is quite possible to trim
for 5 degrees windward heel. This is not new, it was fairly common
advice... yet very rarely followed... back in the 1960s.

One thing that is new, and that I have not tried, is Oz1's advice that
fancy plastic sails don't need to be heeled to take shape in very light air.



Yep. The boat accelerates much better and if it's one of those gawd-awful
days with chop & light air, it can go thru the lumpy parts better.


I agree that it does, but what is your explanation for this effect?


???

Why do I have to explain it?



It doesn't take a heavy crew, even.


Not in light air. That's what I said originally.


Nor in moderate air... if you're in control of the boat and not vice-versa.


OTOH there are times when I like a lot of heel, like just before a tack
;)


For roll-tacking?


Bingo.

DSK

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
The thing to remember is that without the "straight guys" most comedy
routines here would die at the first post.


Yeah, I was thinking just that yesterday. In fact, it was the
straight men that made the big bucks, while the buffoons were
considered replaceable.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
..... Because of the failings of the
Wauqiez and Jboat, they can't compete with the 35s5 from a design
standpoint.

???

That's probably true if you're a moron.

... I'd take the Swan I suppose, but are you so certain that
lofty build quality would still make a boat the right fit for everyone?


It's not "just" build quality (whatever you take that to be). Swans are
always among the prettiest, most comfortable, and fastest boats in
production.

Maxprop wrote:
I don't know about everyone, but it would for me.


How about one of the new NYYC 42s? Sweet boat, except for the name of
course.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King