Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Wow, that's really funny, Bob.


Humor and truth...a great combo!
I just wish my boat was faster than a catalina 36 in light air!


RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Nothing... he does it to generate sailing discussion. Look at the topic
and
subject matter on this group since he has returned!
Politics... next to nothing.... yet he is single-handedly handling a
myraid
of attacks on his prepostorous claims.

Yup, even Sloco would have to admit that the group is back talking
about sailing again. It's too bad I have to do it by flogging certain
members here....but Jeff and Loco are perfect humorless straight men.
They're the "Margaret Dumont" of Alt.sailing.Asa.
I hope someone remembers the great Dumont!

RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Shut Up Cartman!

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Nothing... he does it to generate sailing discussion. Look at the topic
and
subject matter on this group since he has returned!
Politics... next to nothing.... yet he is single-handedly handling a
myraid
of attacks on his prepostorous claims.

Yup, even Sloco would have to admit that the group is back talking
about sailing again. It's too bad I have to do it by flogging certain
members here....but Jeff and Loco are perfect humorless straight men.
They're the "Margaret Dumont" of Alt.sailing.Asa.
I hope someone remembers the great Dumont!

RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Shut Up Cartman!


That's it....Screw you guys! I'm going home.


RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Gawd I luv South Park!

Ha Ha ha ha

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Shut Up Cartman!


That's it....Screw you guys! I'm going home.


RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
But seriously, what are you going to do now that you know that your
new boat is such a dog in light air it needs and extra 24 seconds/mile
handicap to stay with the Catalinas and Hunters?


Are you suggesting that a Catalina 36 or 34 will sail faster in light
air??? Do tell.


I only have the numbers to go by - there are several Catalinas whose
ratings are only about a dozen seconds slower than your boat. The
bendy, however, needs a huge handicap to catch up - 12 to 14 seconds
more than various Catalinas. What its saying is that the rating of
the 35s5 is really about the same as the Catalina 34 and 36 in light
air.

This isn't my "opinion," these are the facts. For opinions, you can
find numerous people who say that the bendy is hard to sail to its
potential, and requires high skills of both helm and crew. You're the
one who claimed the rating is actually too low and "average" skippers
have trouble winning because of that.

Further, your mylar sails doesn't count for much - you could add those
to any boat. Can you point to your long experience winning races with
fractional rigs? The light air difference between the bendy and your
old C&C with you at the helm may be too small to measure.

Now if you really wanted a light air cruiser, you could have had this
for $64,000:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/classi...p40_bquest.jpg
PHRF of about 42, with a light air adjustment of -26, for a net rating
of 16.

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

It's looking more and more like the Boob made the wrong decision. I
like that Trip 40 by the way.

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

This isn't my "opinion," these are the facts. For opinions, you can
find numerous people who say that the bendy is hard to sail to its
potential, and requires high skills of both helm and crew. You're the
one who claimed the rating is actually too low and "average" skippers
have trouble winning because of that.


Here are some "facts" for you, Jeff. Do with them as you wish.
The Catalina has less sail area than the 35s5 and displaces 2000 lbs
more. The 1st series hull has less wetted surface as well. I have a
nice Catalina 34 here that I've sailed plenty of times and I sailed
Catalina 36's on a few occasions. Catalina 36 SA/D is 16.99. They are
not terrible in light air...maybe a bit worse than my Pearson 30 was.
Unlike you I've sailed the boats being discussed. It was a light air
sail on the 35s5 near Oyster Bay that sealed the deal. Keep in mind
that we also sailed the J34c, which we found comparable in light
air...and rated the same. If you think a Catalina 36 can outrun a 35s5
or J34c there's simply no hope for you, dude. Hey, but if warms your
heart any, the Catalina backs up better!
You can crunch numbers until you turn blue, read comments and race
committee evaluations. None of that effects the truth of the matter as
indicated by owners and someone who's actually SAILED the boats...which
I have posted warts and all. I'm not surprised that a performance boat
has to be sailed well to achieve it's potential, but I could see how it
would worry you!
Let us know when you get some real experience with any of these boats.

RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

Now if you really wanted a light air cruiser, you could have had this
for $64,000:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/classi...p40_bquest.jpg
PHRF of about 42, with a light air adjustment of -26, for a net rating



Uh, yeah Jeff...good pick for a family boat! You sure know boats!

RB
35s5
NY

Thank You JEFF!!!
 

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This is probably why you can't travel to the US.

He can't?

Sheesh... I've got my EU passport so no problem..... but I don't want to
get shaken down for a retinal scan and fingerprint for your Homeland
Security Office.

Mr. Ganz seems to be under the impression you aren't allowed to travel to
the US.

I have 2 US Visas and an American Social Security Card. I have travelled
through-out the USA years ago.... down the west coat to Mexico taking in
every state along the West coast... back up from Mexico through the
central western states.... I would say that I have been to more states
than most of you.. I've been in every state up the Eastern coast and all
along your border with Canada. I've been through most of the central
states as well. The USA offers nothing I couldn't find anywhere else on
the planet.

I believe you mean *somewhere else on the planet.* I doubt if you'd find,
for example, something like Chesepeake Bay in Saudi Arabia or Tanzania.

In general... I found it to be paranoid, rude and the people generally
ignorant of anything outside their respective states ... let alone their
national borders.

Pretty much like Canadians. I find Canadians and Americans to be so similar
as to be virtually indistinguishable, those from the French provinces the
exception, as they mostly tend to be incredibly rude and arrogant. You are
right, however, that many Americans are ignorant of anything beyond their
respective state borders, and beyond their hometowns in many cases. Same
with Canadians. On a motorcycle trip through Canada some years ago, I found
it worthless to ask directions much beyond 20 miles or so from my current
location. No one had the foggiest of what was over the next hill. But I
found most Cannucks to be friendly and congenial, the same as I've found
most Americans to be. You remarked that you don't consider arrogance to be
a character flaw. Perhaps those that meet you do.


Canada, Mexico, Cuba and the Caribbean offers everything the US does....

Canada: how many Canadian automobiles (not just American cars made under
license) does your country produce? How many indigenous motorcycles? How
many provinces have tropical or subtropical climates?

Mexico and/or Cuba: won't even bother with those

Caribbean: how many freshwater rivers, bays and tidewater estuaries do you
find there? What is the per capita income throughout the Caribbean, and how
does it compare with Canada or the USA? And on and on . . .

If you mean that those countries *combined* offer everything the US does,
then you might be close. But I can have all those things without having to
show my passport or deal with incompetent local governments bent on
extorting money from me. And I can make a decent living anywhere within the
borders of the USA. buy virtually any product or service imaginable, and not
have to deal with the petty, extortionist bureaucrats that such places as
Cuba and Mexico have in droves.

so I have no need to travel there except maybe to visit some of my many
American friends.....

Would these be the rude, arrogant ones? Now that you mention it, birds of a
feather . . .

but not at the price of getting a shake-down and frisked at the front
door. Most people specify no US stops on trips to other countries now.

Hmmm. Try flying into Frankfort, Germany, or Tel Aviv, for examples, to
witness just how paranoid the authorities can be. Spread 'em and raise your
arms, Mooron. g


Globally speaking... and in very general terms.... I found that years
ago Americans were tolerated but disliked.... whereas now it seems they
are despised and avoided.

Bull****. You watch too much liberal TV and believe the half-truths and
distortions you see. My last trip to China was a real eye-opener. We were
informed beforehand that we might get a less-than-friendly reception. To
the contrary we were treated like visiting royalty. The Chinese kids in
Beijing were so interested in us that they almost wouldn't leave us alone.
And the adults all wanted to know what it was like to live in the USA. We
stopped in Germany on the way home and were likewise treated warmly and with
respect. The only minor glitch we encountered was with an overly officious
jerk in the customs office at JFK International upon our return.

I must state however that I have had pleasant experiences with the
American Tourists visiting Canada. I also had the pleasure to meet with
some very nice Americans during my travels there. It seems that politeness
and courtesy is contagious.

No ****? According to folks like you, there can't be over a dozen or more
decent Americans. You must have met them all in one sitting.

But rest assured... I'd prefer a trip to the USA than any Muslim Country
right now!

Right now, yes, because you'd be taken for an American. My last trip to
Jordan/Saudi Arabia/Egypt was between Desert Storm ('91) and the current
Iraq war. The Arabs we dealt with were friendly, courteous, congenial, and
very interested in life in America. I saw a professor, an Arab with one of
the universities in Germany--don't recall which at the moment--talking on
CNN not long ago. He said that nearly every country on the planet has
traditionally had people who look up to Americans (oh, I suppose that might
include you guys, too) and wish to learn more about them, emulate them in
some ways (dress, music, culture). Recently, however, with the
preponderance of anti-US sentiment throughout the world media, many of those
same people, who've envied Americans, now have an excuse to dislike them.
He likened it to Michael Jackson--many people were jealous of his wealth,
fame, talent. But when he became tarnished, they jumped on the bandwagon of
those who hated him. Jealousy is always a great motivator.

Max