"Joe" wrote in message oups.com...
"meow"

is that more to your liking?

Joe


Much better than the slurping sounds you make sucking netKKKop dick.

CN

Sound small?

Here this will suit you :



: Yeah right OK now! - How many of you fukz have me KF'd huh?!? If you
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My suggestion is to completely study Leland. They are the
greatest of cum. People like him have tried successfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
deep throte
them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. And call me whore
they have nothing.


jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
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"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a nice guy of the highest order. Study the
geniousnow and forever. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been blessed.*please"


bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
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Do the entire world a favor and REPOST YOURSELF ON USENET ALTOGETHER,
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"I went to the ****pile of Hate,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Turd Steaming in the midst,
Where I used to **** on my green.


And the Steam of this Turd were like smoke
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the steam;
So I turned to the ****pile of Hate
That so many foul Turds bore.


And I saw it was filled with ****,
And Flowers where tombstones should be;
And worms and black clowns were walking their hounds,
And binding with balls my joys and desires."


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"When yo Momma has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
retards from all places, creeps and coons shall put their faith in
seeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
The Gay as Ganz
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of eggplants

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Yawn

There you go Nellie! That should be enough retarded assanine waste of
space to make you think Im a really Big Man now..

Right ?

JG wrote:

I'm not certain how to comment on this. It seems to me that if I made
a false or marginal complaint against someone to their ISP,

What, exactly, is a "marginal" complaint?


What would Mooron like me to do to help? Does he want me to send an
email or call his ISP and tell him it's ok for him to do whatever he
wants even if it violates his TOS? Do you think they would listen to
me?

Well, you could withdraw your complaint.


I still and will always assert that if someone violates their TOS and
their ISP decides that they have, they need to live with the result.
I have done nothing wrong.

Why did you report him?

Do you appreciate that there's a fundamental difference between the
unimportance of what goes on in this group, and the importance to someone of
having an internet connection? I pay about $1K a year for my services, but I
sure as hell don't pay that just so I can come in here.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Mooron's ISP told him who ratted on him. It was the gay one.

Joe

"Wally" wrote in message
. uk...
JG wrote:

I'm not certain how to comment on this. It seems to me that if I made
a false or marginal complaint against someone to their ISP,

What, exactly, is a "marginal" complaint?

I don't know. I would think that a marginal complaint could be something
like... "does this behavior (insert behavior) violate your TOS... it's not
clear" or something like that.

What would Mooron like me to do to help? Does he want me to send an
email or call his ISP and tell him it's ok for him to do whatever he
wants even if it violates his TOS? Do you think they would listen to
me?

Well, you could withdraw your complaint.

Why would I do that if I had in fact believed that there was a reason to
complain? Or, better stated, what if I did? I thought he violated the
"regulations" and they had no choice. Would they now decide to ignore their
regulations because of me?

I still and will always assert that if someone violates their TOS and
their ISP decides that they have, they need to live with the result.
I have done nothing wrong.

Why did you report him?

Not saying I did. I'm saying that it's between him and his ISP.

Do you appreciate that there's a fundamental difference between the
unimportance of what goes on in this group, and the importance to someone
of
having an internet connection? I pay about $1K a year for my services, but
I
sure as hell don't pay that just so I can come in here.

I do. Do you understand the fundamental difference between what is and what
is not a violation of Mooron's TOS? I don't know what Mooron's situation is,
especially with respect to his ISP or their policies. I would suggest that
Mooron is the one who needs to determine the importance of his internet
connection, not I.

"JG" wrote in message ...
"Wally" wrote in message
. uk...
JG wrote:

I'm not certain how to comment on this. It seems to me that if I made
a false or marginal complaint against someone to their ISP,

What, exactly, is a "marginal" complaint?

I don't know. I would think that a marginal complaint could be something
like... "does this behavior (insert behavior) violate your TOS... it's not
clear" or something like that.

What would Mooron like me to do to help? Does he want me to send an
email or call his ISP and tell him it's ok for him to do whatever he
wants even if it violates his TOS? Do you think they would listen to
me?

Well, you could withdraw your complaint.

Why would I do that if I had in fact believed that there was a reason to
complain? Or, better stated, what if I did? I thought he violated the
"regulations" and they had no choice. Would they now decide to ignore their
regulations because of me?

I still and will always assert that if someone violates their TOS and
their ISP decides that they have, they need to live with the result.
I have done nothing wrong.

Why did you report him?

Not saying I did. I'm saying that it's between him and his ISP.

Do you appreciate that there's a fundamental difference between the
unimportance of what goes on in this group, and the importance to someone
of
having an internet connection? I pay about $1K a year for my services, but
I
sure as hell don't pay that just so I can come in here.

I do. Do you understand the fundamental difference between what is and what
is not a violation of Mooron's TOS? I don't know what Mooron's situation is,
especially with respect to his ISP or their policies. I would suggest that
Mooron is the one who needs to determine the importance of his internet
connection, not I.


You obviously decided it was important enough to you to try and get him
kicked off because you were upset because he got the better of you in
every exchange of posts. So what are you doing saying Mooron needs to
determine the importance of his connection when you are trying to do
the determining with your abuse complaints?

Ganz, you've got to be the biggest asshole ever . . .

CN

JG wrote:

Why would I do that if I had in fact believed that there was a reason
to complain?

There was no reason to complain, you hypocrite. He was doing nothing worse
than you've done countless times.


... Or, better stated, what if I did? I thought he violated
the "regulations" and they had no choice. Would they now decide to
ignore their regulations because of me?

Back-stabbers like you make me puke. You stepped outside the interplay of
personas that make this group what it is, and ****ed around with someone's
real life. This is different from what wen't on between Neal and Katy - he
as much as announced what he was going to do, and she was stupid enough to
rise to the bait, but I find you utterly *vile*.

"utterly *vile*."

BINGO!

Gaynzy wrote: but so far
the only "proof" Mooron has offered is his own statement that I made a
complaint.


And then Gary L. Burnore wrote:
Need more? Let me know and I'll post proof you did.


Post the proof! Post the proof! Post the proof! Post the proof!
--
Captain Lon

"Rock stars! Is there anything they don't know?" Homer Simpson


"Gary L. Burnore" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 11:33:11 -0700, "JG"
wrote:

"Wally" wrote in message
.uk...
I have refused to follow the recommendations of my ISP and file
counter complaints.... since I have accepted the terms of engagement
on this group.

I don't know if counter-claims would work. While I would weigh them up
as
a
tactical option, I would be tempted to avoid using them on principle.
For
me, the arena is here, and not some nefarious back-stabbing crap
conducted
in email between self and opponent's service provider. That BBS network
I
talked about in my post to Neal - it was heavily moderated and
completely
unlike usenet, but a good thing about it was that all moderation,
hearing
of
complaints, and bootings/reconcilliations were done in public for the
entire
network to see.

I'm not certain how to comment on this.

Because you do it all the time


It seems to me that if I made a
false or marginal complaint against someone to their ISP, it would be up
to
the ISP to either dismiss it out of hand or to use their best judgement
about how to react.


Is that why you send DOZENS of false complaints?


Most ISPs respect the privacy of both the person
complaining and the person being complained against. Of course, there's
nothing that either party can do about it if they don't do that, but so
far
the only "proof" Mooron has offered is his own statement that I made a
complaint.


Need more? Let me know and I'll post proof you did.


In any case, whether I did or not, it's still up to his ISP to
take it seriously or not.

So you:

A. Admit sending it.
B. Admit knowing it was frivolous.
3. Are a ****ing NetKKKop.




I firmly believe that to blindly state that I am guilty of violations
of my TOS is a rather narrow minded and short sighted accusation....
based on the letter of the law rather than the intent.

I haven't been making statements about you, but about Neal's declared
deliberate stepping outside his provider's TOS (now softened to 'almost'
stepping outside it and being booted due to weight of complaint
numbers).
As
I say, I haven't been aware of what your telling me here (kinda saw the
posts but wasn't really following what was going on).


To quote my ISP... "although we agree with your position, our hands
are tied by the regulations"... sums up what they think of the
complaints forwarded to them from Jonathan.

I wonder if Jonathan would care to comment on this? In my view, this
situation has gone beyond the "I can neither confirm nor deny" line. If
it's
true, he's completely out of order.

I have never heard of an ISP claiming such a thing. What regulations? I've
had complaints lodged against me in the past. My ISP looks at the rules
they've set down, looks at the situation, and makes a determination based
on
their assessment. For example, at one point many months ago, my ISP got in
touch with me about a large volume of email that was coming from my shell
account with them. This was a clear violation of my TOS. I was mystified,
since I don't usually use my shell account for email and certain not for
large volumes of it. We both agreed that something needed to be done
immediately, and they put suspended my outgoing email service for a couple
of hours while the investigation ensued. It turned out that I made a
scripting error and multiple emails were being sent for every one
received.


Turns out you were spamming.


This is also a clear violation of my TOS, since I'm completely responsible
for scripts I create. They found the problem, called me back (I was out of
town on business), explained the problem, created a temporary fix for me,
then restarted my email.

There was another situation that happened years ago that was even worse.
It
was when spam first started become a real problem and there we no elegant
solutions. I sent a spam report to PSI (large backbone).

PSI was NEVER a large backbone, dumbass.

[snip more lies]

I stand righteous in my indignation..... so don't paint this canvas
in black and white... and do not talk down to me from a precarious
perch of pretensions.

I can assure that there is no intention for my opinions to come across
as
pretentious. I understand your predicament, but I do still see it as
black
and white. Hard as it may be, your circumstances have changed, and the
basic
choice that I've outlined several times still stands. For you, some of
the
ledge has fallen away, and the edge now closer than it was - and that's
a
damn shame. If they've changed because someone has messed around with a
real-world resource that you use, than that's plain wrong.


I have only one provider in my area..... I knew this when I entered
into the diatribe... and Jonathan was the only one to report me in
the years I've posted here. He has established himself as such......
without a doubt... beneath my contempt!

Jonathan? What say you?

What would Mooron like me to do to help? Does he want me to send an email
or
call his ISP and tell him it's ok for him to do whatever he wants even if
it
violates his TOS? Do you think they would listen to me? He claims that I'm
beyond contempt, but this is nothing new.

Nothing new that you're beyond contempt? QUite accurate.


I still and will always assert that if someone violates their TOS and
their
ISP decides that they have, they need to live with the result. I have done
nothing wrong.

Liar.

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Joe wrote:
"utterly *vile*."

BINGO!

Thank you.

FWIW: the noise tactics weren't what convinced me, it was Mooron's calm,
matter-of-fact explanation.


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www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk