It's not for me to say what's right or wrong (though my wife does call
me god some nights).

I'm simply stating for the record that I support Katy and I don't like
'The Gay One'.

Scotty


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
For the record; I support Katy. Gaynz was wrong, is a dork, and
deserves whatever he gets.

Scotty



Given the fact that Ganz is, indeed, a dork and is wrong and a loser
to boot,
just curious why it's wrong when Ganz does it but OK when Haight
does it?

CN

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Wally.... with all due respect ... I must take this assumption to
task. Rules are set as guidelines... although enforceable to the
letter... this does not justify nor mitigate abuse of those
enforceable guidelines as a shield to prevent engagement with an
opponent on a "verbal" matter.

Agreed.


I would state that once precedence is set.... once parameters of
engagement have been mutually established.... it is plainly wrong to
resort to evoking such action.

Absolutely.


To explain .... and I'm certain you are aware... I have taken
Jonathan to task.

I had noticed the dulling of your tone recently, but the reason for this
hasn't sunk in until now.


During that encounter a certain established
exchange of insults was undertaken. The difference being that
Jonathan elected to report me for defamation to my ISP... despite an
ongoing interchange of established insults between us. Jonathan had
the option of not responding .. or kill filing me. I made no attempt
throughout this altercation... to mask my identity nor alter my
header. I provided everyone with "if subject contains" keywords to
facilitate kill filing.

Despite my efforts... Jonathan took advantage of my TOS to report me.
I know I was in violation to a degree... but this benchmark was
established within the protocol of the group and until Jonathan began
filing abuse complaints ... I had been in verbal quarrels to a much
greater degree of dissention than what had taken place with Ganz. I
even on occasion had come to his aid. Having the these boundaries
established within the group... I felt that I was not in violation
of the "spirit of intent" of my TOS.

It seems to me that this is a rather different state of affairs than the one
I have been commenting on.


I have refused to follow the recommendations of my ISP and file
counter complaints.... since I have accepted the terms of engagement
on this group.

I don't know if counter-claims would work. While I would weigh them up as a
tactical option, I would be tempted to avoid using them on principle. For
me, the arena is here, and not some nefarious back-stabbing crap conducted
in email between self and opponent's service provider. That BBS network I
talked about in my post to Neal - it was heavily moderated and completely
unlike usenet, but a good thing about it was that all moderation, hearing of
complaints, and bootings/reconcilliations were done in public for the entire
network to see.


I firmly believe that to blindly state that I am guilty of violations
of my TOS is a rather narrow minded and short sighted accusation....
based on the letter of the law rather than the intent.

I haven't been making statements about you, but about Neal's declared
deliberate stepping outside his provider's TOS (now softened to 'almost'
stepping outside it and being booted due to weight of complaint numbers). As
I say, I haven't been aware of what your telling me here (kinda saw the
posts but wasn't really following what was going on).


To quote my ISP... "although we agree with your position, our hands
are tied by the regulations"... sums up what they think of the
complaints forwarded to them from Jonathan.

I wonder if Jonathan would care to comment on this? In my view, this
situation has gone beyond the "I can neither confirm nor deny" line. If it's
true, he's completely out of order.


I stand righteous in my indignation..... so don't paint this canvas
in black and white... and do not talk down to me from a precarious
perch of pretensions.

I can assure that there is no intention for my opinions to come across as
pretentious. I understand your predicament, but I do still see it as black
and white. Hard as it may be, your circumstances have changed, and the basic
choice that I've outlined several times still stands. For you, some of the
ledge has fallen away, and the edge now closer than it was - and that's a
damn shame. If they've changed because someone has messed around with a
real-world resource that you use, than that's plain wrong.


I have only one provider in my area..... I knew this when I entered
into the diatribe... and Jonathan was the only one to report me in
the years I've posted here. He has established himself as such......
without a doubt... beneath my contempt!

Jonathan? What say you?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Scotty wrote:
: For the record; I support Katy. Gaynz was wrong, is a dork, and
: deserves whatever he gets.

a good start. as a group you should make it very clear to him that his
frivolous netKKKopping behaviour is no longer welcome here. do it privately
via email or whatever, but just do it.
however katy is equally as guilty, perhaps even more so as she has been
discovered to have been sending frivolous and unfounded abuse reports from
multiple addresses, which in itself would qualify as net abuse.
:
: Scotty
:
:
:
: "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
: ...
::
:: "Scotty" wrote in message
: oups.com...
::: ''There are
::: about a half-dozen hard core netKKKop supporters here.''
:::
:::
::: Name them, Putz.
:::
::: SV
::
::
:: OK then. This is how I see it, at least.
::
:: Known and admitted netKKKops --- Jonathan Ganz and Catherine Haight.
::
:: NetKKKop supporters.
::
:: Red Cloud.
:: John Cairns
:: Scotty
:: Jeff
:: DSK
:: Wally
::
:: If I'm wrong then I apologize but I have yet to see any of the above
:: denounce netKKKops. Instead they seem to try to justify netKKKopping.
::
:: CN

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My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing.

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================================================== ====================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
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Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
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****ing post? You're very annoying."

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"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
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"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
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"Joe" wrote
You gotta quit working so much Scotty, your missing the really good
****!


yeah, like sailing.

Scotty

Nice Round-Up Joe....

You know what they say about Fury and a "woman scorned"

I never chose sides in a catfight. The girls don't involve themselves in our
battles!

CM

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
He's bull****tin ya Scotty.

Neal ****ed off because Katy called his new squeeze a ho.

They two girls called each other names in a hissy fit rage.

Neal wanting to keep getting laid took up and lead the charge to
defends his new lovers honor by trashing Katy.

Katy felt Neal crossed the line when he forged (ie frogged whatever)
her name and email address so she turned him in and he lost his soon to
expire freebee.

The gay ones always been a snitch..it's in has nature he's a momma boy.

So Neal invites the internets top retards to babble like mindless
locust a cast a plaque upon ASA.

You gotta quit working so much Scotty, your missing the really good
****!

Joe

WTF are you talking to? fred and Steve aren't gonna like the fact
that you didn't 'attribute' and mark as such, your reply. They may
even report you.

Stand by.

SV


"purgecontrol" wrote in message
oups.com...
Your risk of accusation is more like a verification of fact.

Capt. Neal® wrote:

A most excellent post, sir! I, too, railed at Wally's black and
white interpretation of abuse situations and referred him to
examples of gray areas by proxy.

Examples which I didn't think were particularly good. Why employ a poor
analogy when you can get straght to the point with evidence?


Your
facts about Ganz's continued use of TOS gray areas from your personal
perspective
is far more effective IMHO.

Let's just say that Mooron made his point in a way that's more accessible to
me. Dragging a bunch of rowdies in to trash the bar never constitutes an
argument.


Wally, does appear to side at least somewhat with netKKKops

Nope.


... but I can't picture him ever stooping so low himself.

Nope.


... He seems to have pretty good self-esteem

Yup.


but is somewhat rule-driven. When they call for rebels.
Don't expect Wally to step forward.

I weigh up each situation as I find it.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Whats stopping you? Fire up that big rig and you can be out on the
water in no time.

Joe

Yeah its got a big sleeper on it. Looks like a fairly new truck. i
think the truck has as much room as his boat.


Joe

"Wally" wrote in message
I can assure that there is no intention for my opinions to come across as
pretentious. I understand your predicament, but I do still see it as black
and white. Hard as it may be, your circumstances have changed, and the
basic
choice that I've outlined several times still stands. For you, some of the
ledge has fallen away, and the edge now closer than it was - and that's a
damn shame. If they've changed because someone has messed around with a
real-world resource that you use, than that's plain wrong.

I can understand you standing on the principals of your opinion..... I
fully understand that one must adhere to what they perceive as correct. I
merely wish to enlighten the rational for such logic. A viewpoint must be
based on all available data. Insomuch.... such a POV is subject to the data
available. Once new data is introduced... this should logically alter the
POV. The media may be black and white....... but the result is shades of
gray.

See the balance?

CM