Now what are you saying, that Jon & Katy did the right thing? Make up
your f%^king mind!



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


Bogus argument again. It is law in this country, at least, that if
you do
not report a murder then you are complict in that murder even if you
are just a bystander. If you give aid and comfort to a murder you
are
guilty of conspiracy which carries very severe penalties. Same goes
for child abuse, child neglect, animal cruelty, etc. You are bound
by
law to report it as soon as it comes to your attention and if you
don't
and, later on, it comes to light that you knew and didn't report it,
then
you have committed a crime.

"Scotty" wrote in message ...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote



That's the reason I baited KKKatysails.

So you admit to being an asshole to get thrown off, and now you're
bitching about it. You sure sound like a female.

Scotty


I admit to setting a trap. Have you ever hunted with traps?
They only work if you're smarter than your prey.

I never denied being an asshole. Being an asshole is not against
any news server's TOS that I've ever read. Besides if being
an asshole was grounds for getting TOSsed then half this
group would have been gone long ago, including yourself.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

CN

Red Cloud® whined:

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:28:10 -0400, Capt. Neal® wrote:


"Wally" wrote in message k...
Soque (Enjoque) Pupette wrote:

If I travel outside the bounds of my provider's TOS I *should* get
booted -- regardless who reports me or if my provider notices it
himself. ...

Someone that gets booted from a series of providers for deliberate
abuse and/or TOS violations over the course of a five year flameware
is a nutcase, too. Net-abuse and/or TOS violations are *not* justified
by being on the right side of an argument.

While I can see that there's an ethical or principled aspect to this, the
brass tacks of the matter are that there are enforcable rules which the user
can choose to abide by, or transgress. It's simply about accepting your
provider's TOS, and then choosing whether or not to abide by them.


Not entirely so. There are always those troublesome gray areas. Take KKKatysails
netKKKopping of me with my expendable Individual.net account. In her case,
I did nothing against their TOS. Go back and do some research before you jump
to foolish conclusions. Katy reported me for forging. A close look at the e-mail addy
I used will reveal the truth. Instead of using , I used
Do you see the difference? If I used the first, it
would be against the TOS; since I used the latter, which is not her addy and not
a legit email addy at all, it was not a forgery.

That would be entirely up to the discretion of your ISP. Many ISP's would see
that as a clear attempt to impersonate, and would regard it the same way they
would any forgery or impersonation.

Bull****

Congratulations - you have fought so hard to preserve your version of "freedom
of speech" that you now have no audience who cares what you say.

Who are you again?

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message news
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:28:10 -0400, Capt. Neal® wrote:


Not entirely so. There are always those troublesome gray areas. Take KKKatysails
netKKKopping of me with my expendable Individual.net account. In her case,
I did nothing against their TOS. Go back and do some research before you jump
to foolish conclusions. Katy reported me for forging. A close look at the e-mail addy
I used will reveal the truth. Instead of using , I used
Do you see the difference? If I used the first, it
would be against the TOS; since I used the latter, which is not her addy and not
a legit email addy at all, it was not a forgery.

That would be entirely up to the discretion of your ISP. Many ISP's would see
that as a clear attempt to impersonate, and would regard it the same way they
would any forgery or impersonation. Your opinion of what it is or isn't has no
bearing.

Then they are acting out of ignorance and you claim I should be kicked of because
they are ignorant? It has nothing to do with my opinion. It has everything to do
with definitions of words. Forging has a specific meaning on Usenet. Any e-mail that
is not identical and is not even legit because of the use of certain characters of the
deletion of certain characters is not a forgery.

You are claiming that if you age going 55 in a 55mph zone and you get a speeding
ticket for going 155 because some stupid cop cannot read the radar gun that
you deserve that speeding ticket. Yah, right!

Audience? Bwahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahah! They come and they go . . . .

You post hoping to get an audience who cares? Bwahahahhahahahahhahahaahhaha!
What a loser.

CN

"Scotty" wrote in message ...
Wrong stupid. You don't get a 'dealing sentence' for a few oz. and a
bong.


You do if you have a big enough stash. It varies from state to state. I think here
in Florida anything over four ounces is considered dealing. Four ounces isn't much.
You probably go through that much in less than a week.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote



That's the reason I baited KKKatysails.

So you admit to being an asshole to get thrown off, and now you're
bitching about it. You sure sound like a female.

Scotty


I admit to setting a trap. Have you ever hunted with traps?
They only work if you're smarter than your prey.

I never denied being an asshole. Being an asshole is not against
any news server's TOS that I've ever read. Besides if being
an asshole was grounds for getting TOSsed then half this
group would have been gone long ago, including yourself.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

And, I'm not bitching. I'm just stating the facts because skulls
are so thick around here people have to hear the same thing
over and over again about twenty times before it sinks in.

CN


What did you say?
--
Captain Lon

"Rock stars! Is there anything they don't know?" Homer Simpson

"Scotty" wrote in message ...
Now what are you saying, that Jon & Katy did the right thing? Make up
your f%^king mind!


They did the wrong thing because what they observed was not a crime.

If you observe certain crimes you are obliged to report them. Rude language
on the Usenet is not a crime. But the whole point was the 'innocent' bystander
issue to which Wally alluded. In many cases there is no such thing as an
innocent bystander. Supporting netKKKopping is hardly innocent bystanding.

You can't sit around and whine that innocent people in the group don't
deserve to suffer any consequences. That's dumb. If there are consequences,
all people in the group suffer them.

Get it now?

CN

"Wally" wrote in message
k...
John Cairns wrote:

Good points, with the exception of the part about "respecting"
someone who lives in the keys in the floating equivalent of a
cardboard shack in the mangroves.

One's perception of another's abode is highly relative. To describe
someone's home as "the floating equivalent of a cardboard shack" is
nothing
less than arrogant. Who are you to judge what standard of living someone
else should attain or aspire to? Seems to me that he keeps his boat in
good
order - he isn't slovenly about it, and that was my point.

Don't care. I would point out, in the virtual equivalent of a saloon, that
if someone claims something and the reality is in all probability a
different thing entirely, that they are full of ****. And I am happy to tell
them so. Probably not in the witty fashion of some, but I do get an
occasional one-liner in.



Trust me, if you drive down the
overseas highway and look out to sea around any of the small
communities down there you'll see what I mean.

What, exactly, will I see? Anything other than people living their lives?

You will see a fair number of people living on boats that haven't gone
anywhere since they were fixed to their moorings. Wouldn't qualify them as
sailors.



Nil is basically full of ****. Period.

Does this have some relation to your attitude to people who live in the
keys
in the "floating equivalent of a cardboard shack in the mangroves"?

nil would be full of **** wherever he was. nil is nil, after all.




I've met some great sailors, none of them were
remotely like nil, even when they had a few too many.

So what?


And yeah, some of us do care.

About what? Neal getting netcopped after opening his yap and behaving like
an obnoxious prick?

My mistake. I don't give a flying f if nil gets netcopped. If he were bright
he'd be worried about the content of some of his posts, especially those
where he advocates criminal activity of a type that is considered extremely
antisocial, even by the criminal element.



Over the years we've had some highly entertaining AND
witty folks inhabit these environs, I suspect most left because they
got tired of the resident troll/flame.

Seems to me that there was plenty of that going around until the recent
spat
brought in the noise makers.


It's one thing to get flamed
with style, another to get insulted by a half wit,

Anyone who walks in here and feels insulted at some dumb comment is either
in the wrong place or needs to thicken their skin.

Well, vitually insulted, anyways. Someone threw something at me a while
back, it was so funny I was practically in tears, and I let the poster know.
It really was quite funny.



the equivalent of
being cursed by the homeless person when you refused to give them the
spare change in your pocket.

Insulted?? My response to that would be, "**** you, too".

Myself, I would hope to come up with a very witty snappy comeback.

John Cairns


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"John Cairns" blathered

Myself, I would hope to come up with a very witty snappy comeback.


You would be hoping for many long years . . .

CN

"Scotty" wrote in message oups.com...
''There are
about a half-dozen hard core netKKKop supporters here.''


Name them, Putz.

SV


OK then. This is how I see it, at least.

Known and admitted netKKKops --- Jonathan Ganz and Catherine Haight.

NetKKKop supporters.

Red Cloud.
John Cairns
Scotty
Jeff
DSK
Wally

If I'm wrong then I apologize but I have yet to see any of the above
denounce netKKKops. Instead they seem to try to justify netKKKopping.

CN