"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Unions have had their day..... if I had a preference I would suggest the
staff establish a committee and hire a Legal Firm to negotiate wages and
benefits. No strikes.. just costly litigation which would prove incentive
to settlement. I would then as well have an accounting of where my monthly
"union dues" were being spent and wouldn't have some dork calling me
"Brother Mooron"....

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up and
split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of the
profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad to have
a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar room fights
look like a day at the beach.

It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the day
of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the modern
workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with me. People
are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks. ASA provides all
the evidence one needs to believe that is true. Government and big business
are one and the same, and together they are still the Leviathan. Mutually
beneficial contracts are needed today more than ever. God bless a nation
where a guy like Scotty can make the offer of "take it or shove it." He can
do so only because others have paid the cost, and continue to pay the price,
for that privilege.
Scout

"Scout" wrote ...
"
God bless a nation
where a guy like Scotty can make the offer of "take it or shove it."
He can
do so only because others have paid the cost, and continue to pay
the price,
for that privilege.


I can do that because my wife works, at a union job.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of
the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad
to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar
room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in society
that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union activity.


It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the day
of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the modern
workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with me.
People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks. ASA
provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true. Government
and big business are one and the same, and together they are still the
Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today more than ever.
God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the offer of "take it
or shove it." He can do so only because others have paid the cost, and
continue to pay the price, for that privilege.

Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our
current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods
acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on the
general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative view of
society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as pricks at
all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little homo].... their
posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to hone my abilities to
defend a position. Considering the anonymity provided by this medium...
it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not far worse. In effect we self
police.

In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has been
available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of union
activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior to others
in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the consumer will
bear.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of
the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad
to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar
room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in
society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union
activity.

I agree. For example, it's not condoned to play with chickens, which is what
you do!

"JG" wrote in message

I agree. For example, it's not condoned to play with chickens, which is
what you do!

Oh dear me...... why? I've hatched most of the flock myself and hand
reared them. The "girls" are tame and enjoy perching on my shoulder or arm
when I'm tending to the chook chores. The Rooster is a beautiful specimen of
Barred Rock with golden hackles. He keeps the girls in line and makes
certain they all return to the pen at the end of the day. I have fresh eggs
daily and every spring I purchase 2 dozen meat birds to raise for the winter
meat supply.

I also have a pet goose which answers to it's name and behaves much like a
dog.... following me around the farm. She loves to have her neck scratched
and keeps those thieving raccoons and weasels away from the chook coop.

CM

Yeah, we can tell you're really fond of playing with farm animals.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message

I agree. For example, it's not condoned to play with chickens, which is
what you do!

Oh dear me...... why? I've hatched most of the flock myself and hand
reared them. The "girls" are tame and enjoy perching on my shoulder or arm
when I'm tending to the chook chores. The Rooster is a beautiful specimen
of Barred Rock with golden hackles. He keeps the girls in line and makes
certain they all return to the pen at the end of the day. I have fresh
eggs daily and every spring I purchase 2 dozen meat birds to raise for the
winter meat supply.

I also have a pet goose which answers to it's name and behaves much like a
dog.... following me around the farm. She loves to have her neck
scratched and keeps those thieving raccoons and weasels away from the
chook coop.

CM

CM,
I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've
been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made
eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things are
different in Canada, or in Philadelphia.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of
the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad
to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar
room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in
society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union
activity.


It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the
day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the modern
workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with me.
People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks. ASA
provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true. Government
and big business are one and the same, and together they are still the
Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today more than ever.
God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the offer of "take it
or shove it." He can do so only because others have paid the cost, and
continue to pay the price, for that privilege.

Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our
current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods
acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on the
general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative view of
society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as pricks at
all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little homo].... their
posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to hone my abilities
to defend a position. Considering the anonymity provided by this
medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not far worse. In
effect we self police.

In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has
been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of
union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior to
others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the
consumer will bear.

CM

I've been a member of several unions during my employment history.
I afford them as much trust as I do my employer.... little if any.
To rise to the defence of any soulless entity... be it union , employer or
government is pointless. Align yourself with whatever profits you... for as
long as it does so.

A case in point would be the Giant Mine strike in Yellowknife..... where the
personal prejudices of both union boss and employer destroyed the lives of
many.
The union members were left to hang due to the petty squabbles of a few and
the indifference of the government and law enforcement.

CM



"Scout" wrote in message
...
CM,
I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've
been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made
eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things
are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:YpFYd.46457$fc4.9578@edtnps89...

"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of
the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad
to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar
room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in
society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union
activity.


It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the
day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the
modern workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with
me. People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks.
ASA provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true.
Government and big business are one and the same, and together they are
still the Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today more
than ever. God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the offer
of "take it or shove it." He can do so only because others have paid
the cost, and continue to pay the price, for that privilege.

Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our
current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods
acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on the
general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative view of
society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as pricks at
all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little homo].... their
posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to hone my abilities
to defend a position. Considering the anonymity provided by this
medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not far worse. In
effect we self police.

In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has
been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of
union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior to
others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the
consumer will bear.

CM

Well you're right about that!
One's position just depends on what side one's bread is buttered. And you're
also right that both the employer and the union can screw each other and the
workers; it's a delicate balance of power.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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I've been a member of several unions during my employment history.
I afford them as much trust as I do my employer.... little if any.
To rise to the defence of any soulless entity... be it union , employer or
government is pointless. Align yourself with whatever profits you... for
as long as it does so.

A case in point would be the Giant Mine strike in Yellowknife..... where
the personal prejudices of both union boss and employer destroyed the
lives of many.
The union members were left to hang due to the petty squabbles of a few
and the indifference of the government and law enforcement.

CM



"Scout" wrote in message
...
CM,
I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've
been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made
eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things
are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:YpFYd.46457$fc4.9578@edtnps89...

"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share
of the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be
glad to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made
bar room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in
society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with
union activity.


It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the
day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the
modern workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with
me. People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks.
ASA provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true.
Government and big business are one and the same, and together they are
still the Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today
more than ever. God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the
offer of "take it or shove it." He can do so only because others have
paid the cost, and continue to pay the price, for that privilege.

Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our
current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods
acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on
the general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative
view of society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as
pricks at all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little
homo].... their posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to
hone my abilities to defend a position. Considering the anonymity
provided by this medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not
far worse. In effect we self police.

In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has
been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of
union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior
to others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the
consumer will bear.

CM

"Scout" wrote in message
...
CM,
.. Perhaps things are
different in Canada, or in Philadelphia.

Or in the real world.

L

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http://sail247.com
"Scout" wrote in message
...
CM,
I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've
been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made
eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things
are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:YpFYd.46457$fc4.9578@edtnps89...

"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of
the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad
to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar
room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in
society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union
activity.


It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the
day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the
modern workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with
me. People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks.
ASA provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true.
Government and big business are one and the same, and together they are
still the Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today more
than ever. God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the offer
of "take it or shove it." He can do so only because others have paid
the cost, and continue to pay the price, for that privilege.

Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our
current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods
acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on the
general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative view of
society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as pricks at
all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little homo].... their
posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to hone my abilities
to defend a position. Considering the anonymity provided by this
medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not far worse. In
effect we self police.

In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has
been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of
union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior to
others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the
consumer will bear.

CM