Sorry, my liberal friend,

The founding fathers created a union of *states*.

They believed strongly in *states rights* and more strongly in *individual rights*
or inalienable rights as they were called in the Constitution. A war was even
fought over states rights but the federal government had become strong enough
to force its views on half a country by then and it was downhill from there.

It at that time that the federal govt. became stronger than the state governments.

I suggest you refresh your lagging understanding of our founding
fathers by reading the following:
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/...s/jeff0100.htm

In it you will read things like this:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal;
that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable
rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;
that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that
whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new
government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing
its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect
their safety and happiness." --Declaration of Independence as
originally written by Thomas Jefferson, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315

Today's federal government has clearly become destructive to these
ends and our inalienable rights are clearly being denied. Our govt. is
ordained by our Constitution to secure and protect our rights. They
are clearly doing just the opposite in many areas of our lives. Our government
is forceable taking away close to half of the fruits of our labor and using them
for itself and is giving away a large portion of them to every Tom, Dick
and Harry who sticks out his hand. This is NOT what the founding fathers
wanted.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Scout" wrote in message ...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ...

"Scout" wrote in message ...
So our founding fathers, who believed in strength through unity, were socialists?

Bwaahahhahahahhah. You are definitely a product of the liberal public
educational system. You learned a slanted view of what our founding
fathers were all about. Our founding fathers believed in strength through
individualism and hard work.

Nope, Catholic school, then private college.
And, our founding fathers United the colonies, they made a UNION. Care to guess why?
You lose, once again.
Scout

Yes, they formed a UNION. Are you really ignoring the word or just
pretending to ignore it?
And why did they unionize? To stand together against tyranny is why! Pure
and Simple.

I believe it was a Republican who said, "I do not expect the Union to be
dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will
cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."
Scout

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Sorry, my liberal friend,
The founding fathers created a union of *states*.
[snip]

Duh! A labor union and a union of states is about as different
as an elementary school and a school of fish.

I am not ignoring the word *union* but you are making generalizations
that are as meaningless as the above comparison.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message ...
Yes, they formed a UNION. Are you really ignoring the word or just
pretending to ignore it?
And why did they unionize? To stand together against tyranny is why! Pure
and Simple.

I believe it was a Republican who said, "I do not expect the Union to be
dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will
cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."
Scout

Don't be so naive. They are both the result of tyranny and courageous people
standing up to that tyranny.
Scout

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Duh! A labor union and a union of states is about as different
as an elementary school and a school of fish.

I am not ignoring the word *union* but you are making generalizations
that are as meaningless as the above comparison.
CN


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Yes, they formed a UNION. Are you really ignoring the word or just
pretending to ignore it?
And why did they unionize? To stand together against tyranny is why! Pure
and Simple.

I believe it was a Republican who said, "I do not expect the Union to be
dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will
cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."
Scout

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

Today's federal government has clearly become destructive to these
ends and our inalienable rights are clearly being denied. Our govt. is
ordained by our Constitution to secure and protect our rights. They
are clearly doing just the opposite in many areas of our lives. Our
government
is forceable taking away close to half of the fruits of our labor and
using them
for itself and is giving away a large portion of them to every Tom, Dick
and Harry who sticks out his hand. This is NOT what the founding fathers
wanted.

I can't believe you're dissin' Bush like that....

CM

The President is a far cry from a conservative but he's
way, way better than some liberal like Kerry or Clinton.
One must often choose something less than ideal in order
to work towards a goal.

This is conservative thought and this is why it succeeds.
Instant gratification is often unrealistic and is something
liberals demand. This is one of the reasons liberals are so
often bitter, angry and frustrated. This is why conservative
politics is unbeatable in the long run.

CN


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:fI7Yd.19001$i6.17650@edtnps90...

I can't believe you're dissin' Bush like that....

CM