DSK wrote:

Well, if you doubled... or quadrupled... that, would it be a major
expense factor?



Maxprop wrote:

No, but $160 won't take you far in even a 35' CWB with a single Ford
Lehman 135.


It will if the bottoms's clean, engine in good shape, and you know how
to drive.


... We didn't cruise much this past year--no time and ****ty
weather--but still logged around 400 miles, mostly under power. The
CWB would have racked up a $250 diesel bill with the same distance at
8 kts.


Well, that's part of the problem. Going 8 knots is wasteful. At 7 knots
the fuel burn is about half, at 6 1/2 it's less than a quarter.



Ella can go at 8 knots with nothing more than a fair breeze.

Cheers

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katysails wrote:
Doug,
I'm not one to put down people for having trawlers..i think they're nice and
have their place...but i can't imagine just taking the trawler out for an
afternoon spin...noisy....just not my thing...

It's not noisy, the engine room is very well insulated. At our normal
running speed, you can tell it's running, but you can also hear a
whisper. Throttling up increases the volume obviously, but it's also
wasteful as it primarily makes more wake. The boat will only go about 8
1/4 which is hardly thrilling, so why push it.

It's fun but it's a different kind of fun than sailing. We enjoy
exploring creeks & lagoons that sailboats can't get into. We also enjoy
going out on cold and/or rainy days when sailing is miserable but the
river is still there to be enjoyed. The upper deck gives a perspective
that you don't see from the deck of a sailboat. Inside the pilothouse
you can see wildlife but they can't see you and it seems the boat itself
doesn't threaten them as much.

I have enjoyed tugboating more than I thought I would, it has been a
hoot cruising and just riding around. I need to seek the mental
adjustment for enjoyment of working on it, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Like I said, I'm not going to run down anyone;'s boat...I know people who
have chartered trawler's and had a great time, but it'sust not for me. I'm
always quite thankful when we make iot throught he channel to lake Michigan
and can turn the blasted thing off....

"Nav" wrote in message
...
That is because you are a discerning woman who appreciates the finer
things in life. A noisy smelly diesel engine on a slow boat is not one of
them eh?

Cheers

katysails wrote:

Doug,
I'm not one to put down people for having trawlers..i think they're nice
and have their place...but i can't imagine just taking the trawler out
for an afternoon spin...noisy....just not my thing...

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Well duh...who can afford all that diesel?

Maxprop wrote:

A single engine trawler, such as a Nordhavn 43 running at 8 kts., is
relatively economical to operate compared with, say, a semi-displacement
trawler, such as a Grand Banks 42 with twin 3208 Cats running at 14kts.
Then again I buy roughly $40 of diesel per annum.


Well, if you doubled... or quadrupled... that, would it be a major
expense factor? You'd have to cruise at least half time or more
(depending on the boat, I don't think of Nordhavens as particularly
fuel-efficient) to spend on fuel what you already spend on insurance and
taxes. Add in a full-time slip, and fuel becomes almost trivial.

I can tell you this- for what sails & running rigging cost, I can cruise
a long long way in our trawler. We've spent approx $150 on fuel this
year, making 2 cruises of 300+ miles plus going out almost every weekend,
and we've still got more than 1/2 full tanks... which is good, because
now we're running the heater almost full time...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

What's with the advertisement at the bottom of your posts? They paying you
for that?

"Nav" wrote in message
...


DSK wrote:

Well, if you doubled... or quadrupled... that, would it be a major
expense factor?



Maxprop wrote:

No, but $160 won't take you far in even a 35' CWB with a single Ford
Lehman 135.


It will if the bottoms's clean, engine in good shape, and you know how to
drive.


... We didn't cruise much this past year--no time and ****ty
weather--but still logged around 400 miles, mostly under power. The CWB
would have racked up a $250 diesel bill with the same distance at 8 kts.


Well, that's part of the problem. Going 8 knots is wasteful. At 7 knots
the fuel burn is about half, at 6 1/2 it's less than a quarter.



Ella can go at 8 knots with nothing more than a fair breeze.

Cheers

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So you enjoy that wildlife which you proceed to pollute out of
existence? You, sir, are totally selfish and irresponsible with
your pollution machine. You disgust me.

CN


"DSK" wrote in message ...
katysails wrote:
Doug,
I'm not one to put down people for having trawlers..i think they're nice and
have their place...but i can't imagine just taking the trawler out for an
afternoon spin...noisy....just not my thing...

It's not noisy, the engine room is very well insulated. At our normal
running speed, you can tell it's running, but you can also hear a
whisper. Throttling up increases the volume obviously, but it's also
wasteful as it primarily makes more wake. The boat will only go about 8
1/4 which is hardly thrilling, so why push it.

It's fun but it's a different kind of fun than sailing. We enjoy
exploring creeks & lagoons that sailboats can't get into. We also enjoy
going out on cold and/or rainy days when sailing is miserable but the
river is still there to be enjoyed. The upper deck gives a perspective
that you don't see from the deck of a sailboat. Inside the pilothouse
you can see wildlife but they can't see you and it seems the boat itself
doesn't threaten them as much.

I have enjoyed tugboating more than I thought I would, it has been a
hoot cruising and just riding around. I need to seek the mental
adjustment for enjoyment of working on it, though.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Scout" wrote in message
...

I've been in many very old homes. In general, they're beautiful but too
inefficiency for my liking. I like the modern building materials,
waterproofed basements, tall basements, superior electrical and plumbing
systems, and so forth.

We have running water too! We even have electricity in most of the rooms.

Furthermore, I'll have a real fire burning on Christmas day! I think that
we'll start with logs (from our garden), and later we'll use coal.




Regards


Donal
--

Put there by your news server I think.

Cheers

katysails wrote:

What's with the advertisement at the bottom of your posts? They paying you
for that?

"Nav" wrote in message
...


DSK wrote:


Well, if you doubled... or quadrupled... that, would it be a major
expense factor?


Maxprop wrote:


No, but $160 won't take you far in even a 35' CWB with a single Ford
Lehman 135.


It will if the bottoms's clean, engine in good shape, and you know how to
drive.



... We didn't cruise much this past year--no time and ****ty
weather--but still logged around 400 miles, mostly under power. The CWB
would have racked up a $250 diesel bill with the same distance at 8 kts.


Well, that's part of the problem. Going 8 knots is wasteful. At 7 knots
the fuel burn is about half, at 6 1/2 it's less than a quarter.



Ella can go at 8 knots with nothing more than a fair breeze.

Cheers

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not mine....I use the att server...have no idea what the DN server is...

"Nav" wrote in message
...
Put there by your news server I think.

Cheers

katysails wrote:

What's with the advertisement at the bottom of your posts? They paying
you for that?

"Nav" wrote in message
...


DSK wrote:


Well, if you doubled... or quadrupled... that, would it be a major
expense factor?


Maxprop wrote:


No, but $160 won't take you far in even a 35' CWB with a single Ford
Lehman 135.


It will if the bottoms's clean, engine in good shape, and you know how
to drive.



... We didn't cruise much this past year--no time and ****ty
weather--but still logged around 400 miles, mostly under power. The
CWB would have racked up a $250 diesel bill with the same distance at 8
kts.


Well, that's part of the problem. Going 8 knots is wasteful. At 7 knots
the fuel burn is about half, at 6 1/2 it's less than a quarter.



Ella can go at 8 knots with nothing more than a fair breeze.

Cheers

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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:53:45 -0000, "Donal"
wrote this crap:


We have running water too! We even have electricity in most of the rooms.


Such looxury! I have to go out to the well for water. And I need to
get batteries if'n I wants lectrissity.


Furthermore, I'll have a real fire burning on Christmas day! I think that
we'll start with logs (from our garden), and later we'll use coal.


I have a screen saver that looks like a fireplace.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

WGN in Chicago is supposedly going to show a picture of a burning log in a
fireplace on Christmas Eve with carols playing in the background...think
I'll just throw a real log on in one fireplace and turn the gas logs on in
the other and turn up the CD player...

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:53:45 -0000, "Donal"
wrote this crap:


We have running water too! We even have electricity in most of the
rooms.


Such looxury! I have to go out to the well for water. And I need to
get batteries if'n I wants lectrissity.


Furthermore, I'll have a real fire burning on Christmas day! I think
that
we'll start with logs (from our garden), and later we'll use coal.


I have a screen saver that looks like a fireplace.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!