Nonsense.



"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...
Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge
structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check
it out!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what
boats are you actually talking about?


"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...


It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they
often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the
case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge
structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on
them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is
why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability.

Cheers MC



Oz1 wrote:



On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_©
wrote:





Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize?

Cheers MC




Nah, you've got it all wrong.
They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink.

Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice
as fast as an equivalent mono.

It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

No it's true. Come and look for yourself.

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Nonsense.



"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...


Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge
structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check
it out!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:



I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what
boats are you actually talking about?


"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...




It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they
often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the
case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge
structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on
them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is
why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability.

Cheers MC



Oz1 wrote:





On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_©
wrote:







Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize?

Cheers MC






Nah, you've got it all wrong.
They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink.

Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice
as fast as an equivalent mono.

It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Prout?

http://www.vonwentzel.net/Prout/07.S...al/02.Effects/


Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Nonsense.



"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...


Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge
structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check
it out!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:



I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what
boats are you actually talking about?


"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...




It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they
often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the
case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge
structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on
them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is
why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability.

Cheers MC



Oz1 wrote:





On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_©
wrote:







Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize?

Cheers MC






Nah, you've got it all wrong.
They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink.

Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice
as fast as an equivalent mono.

It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Give it up if you can't do any better than that.

Navigator clearly has the upper hand in this discussion and
is speaking from factual, first-hand information and he
bears out my point that multis rarely cruise and those that
do are in danger of capsize and structural failure is inevitable.

Multis aren't real seagoing boats. They are a gimmick and
a stupid one at that. Just because you own a cat you are
trying to defend them but your defense is as inept as your
choice of vessels.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Nonsense.



"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...
Most cruisng cats thgat make it here here seem to be having their bridge
structures heavily repaired. Fact. just come to the yards here and check
it out!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

I don't believe this has ever happened for a production cruising catamaran. Just what
boats are you actually talking about?


"The_navigator_©" wrote in message
...


It is also rare for a cruising mono to break up and sink. In fact, they
often are found with no-one aboard. I've never heard of that being the
case for a multi. Once a cat gets flipped the loads on the bridge
structure get really enormous due to water in the hulls and 'suction' on
them. This will lead to structural failure PDQ in a storm and that is
why they'll sink. Give a good monohull anytime for survivability.

Cheers MC



Oz1 wrote:



On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 10:32:55 +1200, The_navigator_©
wrote:





Explain why so many cats break up and sink after capsize?

Cheers MC




Nah, you've got it all wrong.
They break up, capsize, break up some more and then scatter or sink.

Thing is the ones you hear of are usually racing bred and going twice
as fast as an equivalent mono.

It's rare for a cruising multi to break up and sink.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Multis aren't real seagoing boats. They are a gimmick and
a stupid one at that.

Two years ago I was aboard a Prout that had done three Atlantic crossings
without a hitch (actually both ways, which makes 6!). The husband and wife had
enjoyed tremendous comfort and speed and suffered no serious problems.
That Prout was a great liveaboard and sailed great. I'm no big fan of the looks
of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially
for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono.
Neal, you're a complete idiot who's so jealous of better boats (which is MOST)
that your every post stinks of envey!

Capt RB
C&C 32
NY

Prouts are a joke and you know it. Any boat with the mainmast
in the cockpit has some serious design problems. It's a good
thing they have nice, big motors or they would never go anywhere.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Multis aren't real seagoing boats. They are a gimmick and
a stupid one at that.

Two years ago I was aboard a Prout that had done three Atlantic crossings
without a hitch (actually both ways, which makes 6!). The husband and wife had
enjoyed tremendous comfort and speed and suffered no serious problems.
That Prout was a great liveaboard and sailed great. I'm no big fan of the looks
of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially
for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono.
Neal, you're a complete idiot who's so jealous of better boats (which is MOST)
that your every post stinks of envey!

Capt RB
C&C 32
NY

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially
for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono.


You cannot load a catamaran down with all the necessary cruising
amenities and have it perform as well as a monohull, let alone be
considered fast. If space and comfort your wont then stick with
that flat in the city. You cannot take a flat to sea and expect it
to sail.

Nonsense - its true that the volume of a cat allows you to think of adding so much that it
is overloaded, but the "cruising necessities" are easily handled. My boat, for instance,
is one that allegedly suffers from this problem, especially since I have the twin diesel
option, but it really means that I shouldn't also get gensets and A/C. Even fully loaded
for a one year trip we easily outsailed most monohulls.

Last weekend we sailed 30 miles up the coast to Salem Bay. The wind was 10 to 12 knots,
not the best for a slightly undersailed cat, but we still did 5.5 to 7 knots, passing the
monohulls like they were standing still. Of the boats that left Boston with us, none were
in sight when we got to Marblehead. I would admit that when we got to M'head there were
several racing boats that were prepping for the Halifax race that had no trouble keeping
up. (BTW, all of the multihulls in the race finished near the front - but these aren't
cruising boats.)



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge, especially
for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono.


You cannot load a catamaran down with all the necessary cruising
amenities and have it perform as well as a monohull, let alone be
considered fast. If space and comfort your wont then stick with
that flat in the city. You cannot take a flat to sea and expect it
to sail.

allegedly suffers from this problem, especially since I have the twin diesel
option, but it really means that I shouldn't also get gensets and A/C. Even
fully loaded
for a one year trip we easily outsailed most monohulls.

You COULD overload her (within reason) and she' d still be fine for most long
passages.

RB

Have you ever seen the 'Moby Duck' busses in Salem Harbor? It looked like a
tour boat going by, then it turned right and drove up the ramp we were at.
Kinda funny.

Scotty
http://www.mobyduck.com/

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Nonsense - its true that the volume of a cat allows you to think of adding
so much that it
is overloaded, but the "cruising necessities" are easily handled. My
boat, for instance,
is one that allegedly suffers from this problem, especially since I have
the twin diesel
option, but it really means that I shouldn't also get gensets and A/C.
Even fully loaded
for a one year trip we easily outsailed most monohulls.

Last weekend we sailed 30 miles up the coast to Salem Bay. The wind was
10 to 12 knots,
not the best for a slightly undersailed cat, but we still did 5.5 to 7
knots, passing the
monohulls like they were standing still. Of the boats that left Boston
with us, none were
in sight when we got to Marblehead. I would admit that when we got to
M'head there were
several racing boats that were prepping for the Halifax race that had no
trouble keeping
up. (BTW, all of the multihulls in the race finished near the front - but
these aren't
cruising boats.)



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
of a Cat, but the advantages offered in space and comfort are huge,
especially
for liveaboards who don't want to camp-out on a sub 40 foot mono.


You cannot load a catamaran down with all the necessary cruising
amenities and have it perform as well as a monohull, let alone be
considered fast. If space and comfort your wont then stick with
that flat in the city. You cannot take a flat to sea and expect it
to sail.