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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:26:38 -0500, said:

Most of the money for healthcare is made by drug companies, followed
by insurance companies.

Once again, Dave blames the bottom rungs of the ladder for problems on
the roof.

Typically fuzzy thinking, Not at All. Blaming "companies" or "the
corporations" makes for nice easy propaganda for consumption by the
dimmer
bulbs on the tree, but thinking people know better. "Companies" are
collections of people. So tell me, who makes more money on average, a
brain
surgeon, or a researcher or manager employed by a Pharma company?


Dave, I must commend you on the beatings you are delivering. They are
outstanding!


Yeh, but I'd really like to see what he could do with people who weren't
clueless morons. . .


Bwahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:19:56 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

You didn't Google far enough, Jon. Add "two fleet rule" to your search
terms
and repeat your search, and then you might be able to begin to answer my
question. Or at least perhaps fool somebody into thinking you have a
clue.


I stand by my answer.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong. You can lead a horse to water.....

The answer is that unless the cars Ford sells have at least 75% domestic
content, Ford can't count those cars against its separate U.S. fleet CAFE
requirements. This is the result of a rule the Congress critters enacted
at
the behest of the UAW, designed to insure that domestic manufacturers
couldn't meet their fuel economy requirements by selling cars produced by
more efficient or less expensive labor offshore.The effect is that they
have
to produce and sell enough small cars built with U.S. labor to offset the
low mileage larger vehicles they produce here, even if they have to sell
those domestically produced small cars at a loss. It's a UAW job
protection
boondoggle.

Smackdown!

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:19:56 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

You didn't Google far enough, Jon. Add "two fleet rule" to your search
terms
and repeat your search, and then you might be able to begin to answer my
question. Or at least perhaps fool somebody into thinking you have a
clue.


I stand by my answer.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong. You can lead a horse to water.....

The answer is that unless the cars Ford sells have at least 75% domestic
content, Ford can't count those cars against its separate U.S. fleet CAFE
requirements. This is the result of a rule the Congress critters enacted
at
the behest of the UAW, designed to insure that domestic manufacturers
couldn't meet their fuel economy requirements by selling cars produced by
more efficient or less expensive labor offshore.The effect is that they
have
to produce and sell enough small cars built with U.S. labor to offset the
low mileage larger vehicles they produce here, even if they have to sell
those domestically produced small cars at a loss. It's a UAW job
protection
boondoggle.


Bzzzzt. Wrong again Dave. You can try to reason with a right-wingnut,
but.....

So, you're trying to claim that Toyota doesn't have at least that percentage
in it's US sold cars??? Think again dude. As I said, I stand by my original
answer.

For example, "Toyota Tundra's solid domestic-parts content rating, up to 80
percent for 2008 from 75 percent for 2007."

"The '08 Ford Focus dropped to 65 percent from 75 percent in domestic-parts
content."

Why don't you try and blame the UAW again, if it makes you feel better. LOL

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Dave wrote:
question. Or at least perhaps fool somebody into thinking you have a clue.


This from the man who's first line of defence is to shout "ad hominem!"

Cheers
Martin

"Marty" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:
question. Or at least perhaps fool somebody into thinking you have a
clue.


This from the man who's first line of defence is to shout "ad hominem!"

Cheers
Martin


But I have two clews, at least active anyway....

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Dave wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:19:56 -0800, "Capt. JG" said:

You didn't Google far enough, Jon. Add "two fleet rule" to your search
terms
and repeat your search, and then you might be able to begin to answer my
question. Or at least perhaps fool somebody into thinking you have a clue.

I stand by my answer.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong. You can lead a horse to water.....

The answer is that unless the cars Ford sells have at least 75% domestic
content, Ford can't count those cars against its separate U.S. fleet CAFE
requirements. This is the result of a rule the Congress critters enacted at
the behest of the UAW, designed to insure that domestic manufacturers
couldn't meet their fuel economy requirements by selling cars produced by
more efficient or less expensive labor offshore.The effect is that they have
to produce and sell enough small cars built with U.S. labor to offset the
low mileage larger vehicles they produce here, even if they have to sell
those domestically produced small cars at a loss. It's a UAW job protection
boondoggle.

What hogwash; it's the UAW's fault that Ford can't engineer a vehicle to
get a decent milage? Honda, Kia, Subaru, Mazda, Nissan, to name just a
few have no problem?

How many of those engineers are members of the UAW?

Dave, you clearly feel that it would be better for us all if we still
had 12 year olds working six and half days a week, eighty hours for
barely enough compensation to pay for their own food....

Martin

"Marty" wrote in message
news
Dave wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:19:56 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

You didn't Google far enough, Jon. Add "two fleet rule" to your search
terms
and repeat your search, and then you might be able to begin to answer
my
question. Or at least perhaps fool somebody into thinking you have a
clue.

I stand by my answer.

Bzzzzzt. Wrong. You can lead a horse to water.....

The answer is that unless the cars Ford sells have at least 75% domestic
content, Ford can't count those cars against its separate U.S. fleet CAFE
requirements. This is the result of a rule the Congress critters enacted
at
the behest of the UAW, designed to insure that domestic manufacturers
couldn't meet their fuel economy requirements by selling cars produced by
more efficient or less expensive labor offshore.The effect is that they
have
to produce and sell enough small cars built with U.S. labor to offset the
low mileage larger vehicles they produce here, even if they have to sell
those domestically produced small cars at a loss. It's a UAW job
protection
boondoggle.

What hogwash; it's the UAW's fault that Ford can't engineer a vehicle to
get a decent milage? Honda, Kia, Subaru, Mazda, Nissan, to name just a few
have no problem?

How many of those engineers are members of the UAW?

Dave, you clearly feel that it would be better for us all if we still had
12 year olds working six and half days a week, eighty hours for barely
enough compensation to pay for their own food....

Martin


Thank you sir. I'll take another....


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Dave wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:24:02 -0500, Marty said:

Dave, you clearly feel that it would be better for us all if we still
had 12 year olds working six and half days a week, eighty hours for
barely enough compensation to pay for their own food....

I haven't visited those plants in SC, Alabama, etc. where the Japanese
companies are beating the pants off Detroit using non-union labor. Is the
above an accurate description of the workforce in those plants?


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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:08:00 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

So, you're trying to claim that Toyota doesn't have at least that
percentage
in it's US sold cars???

Another red herring thrown out. You must have quite a supply.

They used to say in law school that if you can't answer the question asked
on the exam, answer some other question that you can answer. Looks like
you
took that as your motto.


Dude... I did answer the question. You have refused. Not sure what they
would say in law school about that. Did you take the 5th?

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wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:16:10 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:


?? Toyota/Honda/Kia, etc. have the same standards. Where's the beef?

Another Wendy's reference! Chairman Dave must be loving this!

It's from an old political add, but yes, Wendy's also.

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