"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:26:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit
area?

I've never owned a boat with secondary controls other than upper/lower
helm stations but you see quite a few serious fishing boats with
controls in the cockpit. I'm guessing that they find it useful for
backing down on a large fish when there are only a couple of guys on
board. There are also some motor yachts which have very poor
visibility aft and I would certainly want a second set of controls for
backing into a slip.


The Navigator we had was a perfect candidate for another set of controls.
In fact, if I had kept it and did more traveling in it, I probably would
have had a set installed on the rear of the flybridge .... on the section
that overhung the cockpit. I had absolutely no visibility of the back of
the boat from the upper station.

I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the
transmissions and engine throttles.

Eisboch

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the
transmissions and engine throttles.

Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing
boats with dual controls in the cockpit.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the
transmissions and engine throttles.

Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing
boats with dual controls in the cockpit.


This subject is of interest to me because I am seriously thinking of another
boat. The one I bought is ok, but it's not what I really want or like.

I've searched high and low, looking at different boats, styles, performance
criteria, features, etc. and for some reason nothing really satisfies my
personal interests. Then, I realized why. Every boat I consider, I am
subconsciously comparing it to the Navigator.

So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a
"4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily
single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we
also had the 36 GB).

Navigator also makes a 44' version that has a layout that I actually like
better than the one we had.

But first, I have to try to sell the Mainship to free up the slip.

Something to think about this winter, I guess.

Eisboch

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:15:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the
transmissions and engine throttles.

Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing
boats with dual controls in the cockpit.


This subject is of interest to me because I am seriously thinking of another
boat. The one I bought is ok, but it's not what I really want or like.

I've searched high and low, looking at different boats, styles, performance
criteria, features, etc. and for some reason nothing really satisfies my
personal interests. Then, I realized why. Every boat I consider, I am
subconsciously comparing it to the Navigator.

So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a
"4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily
single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we
also had the 36 GB).

Navigator also makes a 44' version that has a layout that I actually like
better than the one we had.

But first, I have to try to sell the Mainship to free up the slip.

Something to think about this winter, I guess.

Eisboch


You don't like Sarah, you like Saeah, you don't like Sarah.........

You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just
purchased.........

You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it...........

No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the
(reportedly successfull) company you owned?

How do you make decisions?

JimH wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:15:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the
transmissions and engine throttles.
Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing
boats with dual controls in the cockpit.

This subject is of interest to me because I am seriously thinking of another
boat. The one I bought is ok, but it's not what I really want or like.

I've searched high and low, looking at different boats, styles, performance
criteria, features, etc. and for some reason nothing really satisfies my
personal interests. Then, I realized why. Every boat I consider, I am
subconsciously comparing it to the Navigator.

So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a
"4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily
single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we
also had the 36 GB).

Navigator also makes a 44' version that has a layout that I actually like
better than the one we had.

But first, I have to try to sell the Mainship to free up the slip.

Something to think about this winter, I guess.

Eisboch


You don't like Sarah, you like Saeah, you don't like Sarah.........

You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just
purchased.........

You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it...........

No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the
(reportedly successfull) company you owned?

How do you make decisions?

Taint yur business.

"JimH" wrote in message
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You don't like Sarah, you like Saeah, you don't like Sarah.........

You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just
purchased.........

You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it...........

No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the
(reportedly successfull) company you owned?

How do you make decisions?


It's life's experiences in process.
I have no trouble making decisions. Some turn out to be wrong, some right.

Eisboch

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:42:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
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You don't like Sarah, you like Sarah, you don't like Sarah.........

You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just
purchased.........

You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it...........

No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the
(reportedly successfull) company you owned?

How do you make decisions?


It's life's experiences in process.
I have no trouble making decisions. Some turn out to be wrong, some right.

Eisboch


Fair enough.

BTW......Sarah seems like the real thing. ;-)

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:15:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a
"4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily
single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we
also had the 36 GB).

To me one of the key things for easy single handing is a walk around
deck, like a classic Grand Banks. This is particularly valuable when
docking between pilings or between finger piers when you need to get
lines down on both sides as you come in. Easy access from the helm
station to both sides of the boat is important also.

There are other little tricks like leaving your dock lines behind at
the slip when you go out, preferably on raised poles with a hook for
the line. A good anchor windlass with multiple control points is also
valuable.

On our home dock I left the face pilings extra high, about 12 feet
above sea level. This was primarily so the boat could not ride over
the top in a storm surge but it also makes it easy to snag a line
around a piling from the flybridge deck. Typically I will lead a
spring line up to the flybridge in advance if I'm going out by myself.
I've also adopted a new docking approach recently when coming into a
face dock: I slowly approach the dock at an angle, bow first; stop
the boat; secure a bow line, and then crank the stern in with the
engines. At home I have a permanent bow line I can grab with a boat
hook. At a marina with pilings I will loop a bow line around a piling
with a boat hook, or pass a line down to a dockhand on a floating
dock. Once the bow is secure I can crank the stern in parallel using
the engines and rudders. Using that technique I can dock between two
other boats with very little room to spare and with good control.
Everyone always asks if I have thrusters.

Regarding your boat quest, I'd recommend making up a priority matrix
with things like cruising speed, number of heads/staterooms, fuel
range, fuel economy, single vs twins, galley location, flybridge vs
express, offshore vs coastal, stabilizers, etc. Everything is a
tradeoff so it's important to understand the things that are most
important to you. It's a buyers market right now.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:47:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:15:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a
"4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily
single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we
also had the 36 GB).

To me one of the key things for easy single handing is a walk around
deck, like a classic Grand Banks. This is particularly valuable when
docking between pilings or between finger piers when you need to get
lines down on both sides as you come in. Easy access from the helm
station to both sides of the boat is important also.

There are other little tricks like leaving your dock lines behind at
the slip when you go out, preferably on raised poles with a hook for
the line. A good anchor windlass with multiple control points is also
valuable.

On our home dock I left the face pilings extra high, about 12 feet
above sea level. This was primarily so the boat could not ride over
the top in a storm surge but it also makes it easy to snag a line
around a piling from the flybridge deck. Typically I will lead a
spring line up to the flybridge in advance if I'm going out by myself.
I've also adopted a new docking approach recently when coming into a
face dock: I slowly approach the dock at an angle, bow first; stop
the boat; secure a bow line, and then crank the stern in with the
engines. At home I have a permanent bow line I can grab with a boat
hook. At a marina with pilings I will loop a bow line around a piling
with a boat hook, or pass a line down to a dockhand on a floating
dock. Once the bow is secure I can crank the stern in parallel using
the engines and rudders. Using that technique I can dock between two
other boats with very little room to spare and with good control.
Everyone always asks if I have thrusters.

Regarding your boat quest, I'd recommend making up a priority matrix
with things like cruising speed, number of heads/staterooms, fuel
range, fuel economy, single vs twins, galley location, flybridge vs
express, offshore vs coastal, stabilizers, etc. Everything is a
tradeoff so it's important to understand the things that are most
important to you. It's a buyers market right now.

MADM, that could mean medium atomic demolition munition, but in this
context it's Multiple Attribute Decision Making. (Or it used to be.)

If interested, I'll explain the technique. It will definitely make you
think.

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:55:57 -0400, John H wrote:

in this
context it's Multiple Attribute Decision Making. (Or it used to be.)

If interested, I'll explain the technique. It will definitely make you
think.

By all means !