D.Duck wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

John wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote:

I want a candidate who puts America first.
This country will continue to decline until we go back to being
mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods.
We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake.

The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the
port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out
sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to
India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent to
INDIA?

Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is
relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have
to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this
administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole....
Imagine that, high taxes are a problem.
I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion.
ELF is still operational and run by the USA.

Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road?

I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin ELF
transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a couple of
years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in Michigan or
not.

Are there other ELF locations in the US?



I believe there are a couple out in the plains somewhere, where they
don't interfere with people views of ....

BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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McCain is an idiot.

Obama is frightening due to his radical racist views and the fact
that he won't put the USA first. If you saw his interview on Fox
yesterday you should realize that he was lying.

Clinton is just a mean and nastly bitch.



You all should be looking for a third party to step forward. Sounds
like the two you support now seem to feel they are entitled to the
power & prestige of leading the US government. You really need to
shake things up to teach both parties a lesson.

I've only supported one political party.

Shake things up? We don't want to have a government of the week like
those countries with parliamentary systems.


Why not? If you do, when an idiot like Bush gets into office and turns
out to be a colossal failure, you can vote him out.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
news

"BAR" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

John wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John" wrote:

I want a candidate who puts America first.
This country will continue to decline until we go back to being
mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods.
We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake.

The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the
port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out
sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to
India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent
to INDIA?

Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is
relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have
to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this
administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole....
Imagine that, high taxes are a problem.

I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion.

ELF is still operational and run by the USA.

Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road?

I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin ELF
transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a couple
of years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in Michigan
or not.

Are there other ELF locations in the US?




I think they have been being phased out.

http://www.nukewatch.com/projectelf/navyquits.html

Sub communications have also been accomplished with both VLF and LF
transmitters. I used to help maintain the large, VLF transmitter that was
located in Annapolis, MD. until it was closed. They also had several LF
transmitters. The site at Annapolis had a rich history in wireless
communications.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...bury-point.htm

There are better ways now to communicate with submerged nukes. I'd tell you
about them, but then I'd have to kill you.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
news

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
John H. wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:09:44 -0400, BAR wrote:

John wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:42 -0400, "John"
wrote:

I want a candidate who puts America first.
This country will continue to decline until we go back to being
mostly self-sufficient in manufacturing our own goods.
We're off-shoring national defense, for Christ's sake.

The first I heard of this was back about 2004 about the time of the
port authority being out sourced. But then this administration out
sourced the running of our top secret sub communication network to
India!!! My God our communication network for our nuclear subs sent
to INDIA?

Now the news has just broke that the military contractors Bush is
relying on in Iraq have all incorporated off shore so they don't have
to pay income tax! No Bid contracts to American companies and this
administration lets them walk through a tax loop hole....
Imagine that, high taxes are a problem.

I'd like to see some support for his submarine communication assertion.

ELF is still operational and run by the USA.

Don't you live near the CG Comm Station on Telegraph Road?

I friend of mine has a place not too far from the Clam Lake, Wisconsin
ELF transmitter/antenna site. I thought he told me it was shut down a
couple of years ago. I don't know if that applies to the other site in
Michigan or not.

Are there other ELF locations in the US?




I think they have been being phased out.

http://www.nukewatch.com/projectelf/navyquits.html

Sub communications have also been accomplished with both VLF and LF
transmitters. I used to help maintain the large, VLF transmitter that
was located in Annapolis, MD. until it was closed. They also had several
LF transmitters. The site at Annapolis had a rich history in wireless
communications.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...bury-point.htm

There are better ways now to communicate with submerged nukes. I'd tell
you about them, but then I'd have to kill you.

Eisboch


Thanks

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

Hey, don't you already have it?
If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24'
http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html
See where it has a capacity of 18 people?
Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity
will be used for the fish we catch.
So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in.
Big ones, medium ones, and "other."
Cool.


On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an
occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range.

Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one
has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so
much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent
for overnighters ashore on a beach.
Found this on the CS owners site
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2
Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the
idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but
there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's
size and openness.
If I knew I'd want to do a lot of overnighters or "cruise" for a week
or so, I'd probably go for something like a Mac 26.


If you think about it, there's enough room forward of the console on the
larger CS's to literally pitch a tent.

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


Hey, don't you already have it?
If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24'
http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html
See where it has a capacity of 18 people?
Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity
will be used for the fish we catch.
So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in.
Big ones, medium ones, and "other."
Cool.


On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an
occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range.

Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one
has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so
much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent
for overnighters ashore on a beach.
Found this on the CS owners site
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2
Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the
idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but
there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's
size and openness.
If I knew I'd want to do a lot of overnighters or "cruise" for a week
or so, I'd probably go for something like a Mac 26.
Like the CS, it is very low draft and easy to tuck into shallow
shelter. Both boats are inexpensive and can move cheaply under power.
I'm a Chevy guy.
But the utility of the CS reminds me I did have a '67 Ford F-100. Put
a cab-high cap on the bed and traveled all over the west with the wife
and 2 small kids, sleeping in the truck bed.
One dusk in a Nebraska campground we were sitting in the truck bed
with the tailgate down and the cap lid up sipping some iced tea before
turning in. A nice little Porsche pulled in to the empty camp spot in
our view and a young lad and lassie jumped out and erected a small
tent and went inside. Took them a while to put the tent up, but since
she was a real knockout I was sure the efforts were worth it.
When they climbed into that tent was only time in my life I remember
actually feeling pangs of jealousy.
They weren't in that tent for two minutes when the wind started
howling and the skies opened up. The wind was rocking my truck
to no end, but was headed aft so we didn't even close it up.
That tent came down within a minute and the young couple scrambled
out to fix it, getting quickly drenched. Back in they went, but this
time the tent went down in maybe 30 seconds. They tried again, then
gave up and scrambled into the Porsche, looking like muddy wet
puppies.
Later that night as I made a bathroom trip I saw their sleeping
silhouettes, sitting up, heads drooped down, and I felt sorry for them
being in that predicament, and shamed at my jealousy.
A few hours later their car starting woke me up, and they were gone.
Hopefully to a nice motel.
Anyway, like a car, truck or camper, I'm planning on getting a boat
that suits my purpose.
That's why I come here. To learn about boats. Well.....

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one
has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so
much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent
for overnighters ashore on a beach.
Found this on the CS owners site
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2
Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the
idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but
there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's
size and openness.
snip...


That's the idea, somewhat like a 'boom tent' on a small daysailer.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..

If you think about it, there's enough room forward of the console on the
larger CS's to literally pitch a tent.


Speaking about small tents...I was in a local Ford dealership getting my
yearly safety inspection and quarterly oil change/lube when I saw a display
of a small tent made to fit in the 6' bed of a Ford Ranger pickup. A nearby
salesman said is cost a bit north of $200.
Thought about it for a minute, but with only one year left on my
lease....wasn't sure how much I'd use it.
On the other hand....I think it would pay for itself in four nights.

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:11:54 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:46:22 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


Hey, don't you already have it?
If I go with the CS, it'll be this 24'
http://www.carolinaskiff.com/listman...ngs/l0010.html
See where it has a capacity of 18 people?
Since it'll mostly be just me and the wife, the rest of the capacity
will be used for the fish we catch.
So that's 16 people's worth of fish I can bring in.
Big ones, medium ones, and "other."
Cool.


On a boat that size I'd want at least a small cuddy to crawl into for an
occasional overnighter. That could double your cruising/fishing range.

Some of the owners install big biminis for lounging, and I think one
has an additional erectable tent type bimini in the bow. There's so
much space available you have lots of options. Others bring a tent
for overnighters ashore on a beach.
Found this on the CS owners site
http://groups.msn.com/CarolinaSkiffO...nw?albumlist=2
Looks like the only actual CS pictured is number 3, but you get the
idea. Having said that, to me the CS is basically a fishing boat, but
there are possibilities for setting it up for overnighters due to it's
size and openness.
If I knew I'd want to do a lot of overnighters or "cruise" for a week
or so, I'd probably go for something like a Mac 26.
Like the CS, it is very low draft and easy to tuck into shallow
shelter. Both boats are inexpensive and can move cheaply under power.
I'm a Chevy guy.
But the utility of the CS reminds me I did have a '67 Ford F-100. Put
a cab-high cap on the bed and traveled all over the west with the wife
and 2 small kids, sleeping in the truck bed.
One dusk in a Nebraska campground we were sitting in the truck bed
with the tailgate down and the cap lid up sipping some iced tea before
turning in. A nice little Porsche pulled in to the empty camp spot in
our view and a young lad and lassie jumped out and erected a small
tent and went inside. Took them a while to put the tent up, but since
she was a real knockout I was sure the efforts were worth it.
When they climbed into that tent was only time in my life I remember
actually feeling pangs of jealousy.
They weren't in that tent for two minutes when the wind started
howling and the skies opened up. The wind was rocking my truck
to no end, but was headed aft so we didn't even close it up.
That tent came down within a minute and the young couple scrambled
out to fix it, getting quickly drenched. Back in they went, but this
time the tent went down in maybe 30 seconds. They tried again, then
gave up and scrambled into the Porsche, looking like muddy wet
puppies.
Later that night as I made a bathroom trip I saw their sleeping
silhouettes, sitting up, heads drooped down, and I felt sorry for them
being in that predicament, and shamed at my jealousy.
A few hours later their car starting woke me up, and they were gone.
Hopefully to a nice motel.
Anyway, like a car, truck or camper, I'm planning on getting a boat
that suits my purpose.
That's why I come here. To learn about boats. Well.....

--Vic

The wife and I have taken the tent, thermarests, sleeping bags, and a small
bbq grill and camped from a 15' Whaler.

You'll have a ball!

But, I do like the #3 bow enclosure.
--
John H

jps wrote:


AFAIC, she's McCain lite. Why not let the Republicans drive us
another four years into the hole so we can have a real Democrat.

No worries, mate. Even if McCain wins, you'll be telling us Clinton or
Obama won.

-- Charlie