More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we
are STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these
people call themselves conservative?

Capt. Jeff

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall
through at least '09.

In article . net,
says...

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted???

jps

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we
are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted???

The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries
that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations
have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such
a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions
placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over
there right now.

For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car
again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the
same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems,
and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive
sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi
Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go
drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you
like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti
G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice.

In article . net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And we
are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned near-sighted???

The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries
that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations
have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints such
a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent restrictions
placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over
there right now.

For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American car
again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing the
same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their problems,
and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive
sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an Audi
Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go
drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you
like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an Infiniti
G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice.

Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor?

I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria.

jps

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever
and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And
we
are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these
people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to
fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations
are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money
hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying
them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned
near-sighted???

The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries
that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations
have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints
such
a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent
restrictions
placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over
there right now.

For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American
car
again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing
the
same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their
problems,
and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their
latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive
sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an
Audi
Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go
drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you
like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an
Infiniti
G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice.

Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor?

I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria.


I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket.

In article . net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
. ..
More people are living in cardboard boxes in this country than ever
and
these fat cats are making more and paying less taxes than ever. And
we
are
STILL cutting taxes while the deficit skyrockets. How can these
people
call themselves conservative?

The deficit fell from '04 to '05...and its expected to continue to
fall
through at least '09.

In the past 30 years we've gone from:

Biggest importer of raw materials and exporter of finished goods

to

Biggest exporter of raw materials and largest importer of finished
goods.

China and Japan own a large percentage of our currency, corporations
are
allowed to operate offshore to avoid taxation and more of our currency
is flooding into the mid-east than ever before.

I just had a meeting with some very nice folks from the mid-east who
don't mind us being in Iraq at all. Their friends are making money
hand
over fist supplying goods and services to our troops.

Not only are we sending them tankerloads of oil money, we're paying
them
seven different ways for supplying our country with goods and services.

Something wrong with this picture? Why are we so damned
near-sighted???

The biggest danger to our country is allowing jobs to escape to countries
that are not our allies. China is our biggest threat...and corporations
have bought into the Chinese government horse and pony show that paints
such
a rosy scenario over there. It's a facade...and China's recent
restrictions
placed on Google are a perfect example of how screwed up things are over
there right now.

For the first time in the last half decade, I decided to buy an American
car
again. I would hope you and every other American would consider doing
the
same. For a very long time, American car manufacturers had their
problems,
and you were right to stay away. But I can assure you that in their
latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Awhile back you stated that if a car manufacturer made an all-wheel-drive
sport sedan that is comparable to what you were driving at the time (an
Audi
Quattro?), you'd buy it. So now I'm going to hold you to your word: go
drive the Cadillac STS AWD or the Chrysler 300M AWD and buy whichever you
like better. Either should fit your needs nicely. I went from an
Infiniti
G35 to a Cadillac STS and have been very happy with the choice.

Are you claiming to be a good American or a good investor?

I don't think the above suggestion would satisfy both criteria.


I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of pocket.

The Chrysler is ugly.

$18,308 to have the privilege of driving a Cadillac for 39 months. I'd
rather make payments on a boat or summer cabin and have the 2nd home
write off.

Do you whistle Led Zepplin tunes while drinking gas at the stop light?

jps

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

But I can assure you that in their latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Let's talk again after 100,000 miles.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:14:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

But I can assure you that in their latest
entries to the market, the American auto maufacturer's quality and
engineering is on par with the best of them again.

Let's talk again after 100,000 miles.

I'll be out of it before 40,000 miles. ;-)

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:27:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Let's talk again after 100,000 miles.

I'll be out of it before 40,000 miles. ;-)

Fair enough but have you ever calculated your cost per mile?

Let me help, using your numbers:

"I leased the car. 39 months, $422/mo (includes tax), $1850 out of
pocket."

That comes to $18,308, divided by 40,000 miles = 45.8 cents/mile
before insurance, fuel and maintenance.

If you purchased a Lexus for about $45,000 and drove it 100,000 miles
you'd get about the same numbers but the Lexus would still be worth
somewhere between $5 and $10K, possibly more.

The advantage of leasing is getting a new car every 3 or 4 years with
minimal transaction costs, but it is still cheaper to purchase and
hold if you buy quality.

Using my numbers, the second 100,000 miles is almost free!