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Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender
though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?


It's a "Valvestate" solid state, but supposed to have vacuum tube
coloration.
I've got a big old Mesa Boogie tube amp downstairs that really matches up
well with the Gibson. Too big and heavy to carry up to my room.

Eisboch

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reggie Smithers" wrote in message
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It has to do with the tone of the early strats. sort of like the tone of
a STRATOVARIUS Violin has a unique tone ; ). There are many people who
are just as picky about their pre-cbs strats guitars and the old Fender
Amps.



I watched an interesting television show the other day (History Channel,
I think). The subject was that of trying to unlock the mystery of the
superior tonal quality of a Stradivarius violin. Many theories have been
put forth over the years, the most popular being that he used a secret
lacquer. Turns out not to be true. The "secret" was simply that he
lived during a cyclic climate era with very little rain, resulting in
slow tree growth and closely spaced tree rings in the wood.

Eisboch


The "secret" was that Stradivari was an innovative, master craftsman,
someone absolutely unique and a person whose skills cannot be duplicated.
I guarantee you that if he were alive today, he'd still be making the best
violins, cellos, guitars, violas, and harps. Do you think Leonardo would
be anything but a master's master were he alive today?

Methinks our society places too much effort on analyzing genius rather
than enjoying it. Perhaps it is because we no longer live in an era of
geniuses and giants.

A lot was the wood. He also learned how to make the complete back vibrate
at same rate, by dimensioning the thickness. There was a local person that
made a very fine violin, in the quality and tone of a Stradivarius. The
violin was stolen a couple of years ago. Most of the secret of the violin
the experts figured, was the wood. It was made from a chunk of 1600's wood
from a ruined monastery that his buddy brought back from WW-II. The wood is
a big part of a great acoustic instrument to this day.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:02:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:54:35 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 12 Jan 2006 13:46:28 -0800, wrote:

An American Deluxe with SCN pickups, Tobacco Sunburst color, looks
alot
like Stevie Ray Vaughn's, only not as beat up

you have a '56 strat?

no offense, but i don't believe it. there can't be more than ten of
those left in the world.

i have a '65 strat in golden sunburst with humbuckers which is
pretty
rare.

Unless I'm missing some post's which occurs on occasion, he said he
had
"a
real one," not an original or or 56. A real one to me implies made in
America vs the asian versions. The SCN pickups imply a 2004 or later,
but
I
don't know if SCN's were available before 2004.

a real one would imply a pre-cbs strat - those are real ones.

Well, Shortwave, some of us would just be happy to own a strat made in
America. To us, that would be a real one. Still, I understand your
version
of real versus my version of real. When I go into the store to see if I
can
buy my daughter a strat, I have three choices. A modern strat made in
America or in an Asian country or a vintage $trat. I can afford the one
made in an Asian country. I didn't buy her one, because I couldn't
justify
the price of the one I would want (and I was pretty sure she would last
as
long with guitar lessons as she did with piano lessons). Still, I was
sorely tempted to find a way to buy her one that I would want!

if you are talking strats, real strats are the pre-cbs strats. the
post cbs strats were mostly junk. however, the recent reproduction
strats and even a few of the asian ones are fairly decent guitars -
much better than the cbs versions.

hey, get what you can afford - the object is to have fun. i bought my
strat in '65 when i was playing in what is now called a garage band
that made it big on a local basis. over the years, ive collected a
few - a blue mosrite (the guitar the ventures made famous), a clear
acrylic danelectro bass, a '65 gretsch country gentleman autographed
by chet akins, - which is a whole story in an of itself - and an
original fender telecaster. i also have a custom made ovation
ballader which i bought in '85 during my acoustic phase along with a
gibson banjo and a dulcimer i built.

Glad you stayed with the art. I miss my old Takamine; was it an F 360? I
can't remember, but that number just popped into my head. I played bass.
I
also miss my Rickenbacker 4003 basses (Natural, Black, and White).

What makes a strat made today not a real strat? Why are pre-cbs strats
the
only real strats and today's are just reproductions?

its really snobbery of the worst kind actually, but pre-cbs fender
quitars are considered more - real - than the cbs versions. cbs bought
fender in '65 and started producing in '66 - anything post '65 build
by cbs wasn't a - quality - strat. cbs sold fender in '82 or '83 to
some private investors and since then, they have increased their
presence in the market place and started once again to build a quality
guitar.

so as i said - it's really snobbery - from what ive seen, the new
strats, even a few of the aisan ones, are really nice guitars and are
as - real - as another, but not - real - in the sense that they were
built by leo fender.

Some of the snobbery may come from simple observation. Before I continue, it
should be obvious that I have no idea how well adjusted a brand new strat
would've been, if you picked one up in a store in 1958. But today, Fender
basses come out of the box with necks so out of whack that they're almost
unplayable. I thought of buying one before I got my Peavey a year ago. The
dealer had about 50 Fender P & J basses. I couldn't find a single one with a
properly adjusted neck. This included both the Mexican- and American-made
ones. That makes a really bad impression. Meanwhile, pick up a Peavey,
Spector, Alembic or any number of other brands across a wide price range,
and they arrive at the store adjusted within at a range that most players
would call "sane".

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
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Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender
though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?


It's a "Valvestate" solid state, but supposed to have vacuum tube
coloration.
I've got a big old Mesa Boogie tube amp downstairs that really matches up
well with the Gibson. Too big and heavy to carry up to my room.

Eisboch




Do you have any idea what those old ones are worth??? You could fund your
retirement if you sold it. Or, you could just ship it to me.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:41:56 -0500, DSK wrote:

"Don White" wrote ...
Just foolin' around with this one...
http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa071200a.htm
I wish there had been resources like this back when I was
learning to play. Maybe it's time to work seriously on
improving....

Anyway, congrats Don, it's a great hobby and I hope you have
a lot of fun. One bit of advice, you'll be amazed at how
cool it is to go sailing with your guitar and play in the
wild, and also you'll be amazed at how bulky & awkward it is
to stow a guitar on your boat!


-rick- wrote:
A tip...

At first it's tempting not to use your pinky finger when playing scales. I made
that mistake as a kid (self taught). It's hard to retrain the fingers later.

Agreed, one should develop good technique from the start BUT:

Have fun first. Remember your goal! Learn to make a few
sounds you like, and pick out a few simple 2 or 3 chord
songs to learn. There are a lot of cool songs that sound
great and aren't very difficult.

screw that - play 'till you fingers bleed - then you will be a real
guitar player.

with a bloody fret board.
The Beatles included that in a song.

--
Reggie
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If you would like to make rec.boats an enjoyable place to discuss
boating, please do not respond to the political and inflammatory
off- topic posts and flames.
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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im operating on one
hand at the moment.

That's disgusting. I know we're all interesting guys, but come on, Tom. We
don't wanna hear about that ****. Jeez.....do you do that in the boat, when
clients are along for the ride?

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:52:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:02:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:54:35 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:17:16 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
news:roods19q4ea89mu8jt4ao86djp9t2bu458@4ax .com...
On 12 Jan 2006 13:46:28 -0800, wrote:

An American Deluxe with SCN pickups, Tobacco Sunburst color, looks
alot
like Stevie Ray Vaughn's, only not as beat up

you have a '56 strat?

no offense, but i don't believe it. there can't be more than ten of
those left in the world.

i have a '65 strat in golden sunburst with humbuckers which is
pretty
rare.

Unless I'm missing some post's which occurs on occasion, he said he
had
"a
real one," not an original or or 56. A real one to me implies made in
America vs the asian versions. The SCN pickups imply a 2004 or later,
but
I
don't know if SCN's were available before 2004.

a real one would imply a pre-cbs strat - those are real ones.

Well, Shortwave, some of us would just be happy to own a strat made in
America. To us, that would be a real one. Still, I understand your
version
of real versus my version of real. When I go into the store to see if I
can
buy my daughter a strat, I have three choices. A modern strat made in
America or in an Asian country or a vintage $trat. I can afford the one
made in an Asian country. I didn't buy her one, because I couldn't
justify
the price of the one I would want (and I was pretty sure she would last
as
long with guitar lessons as she did with piano lessons). Still, I was
sorely tempted to find a way to buy her one that I would want!

if you are talking strats, real strats are the pre-cbs strats. the
post cbs strats were mostly junk. however, the recent reproduction
strats and even a few of the asian ones are fairly decent guitars -
much better than the cbs versions.

hey, get what you can afford - the object is to have fun. i bought my
strat in '65 when i was playing in what is now called a garage band
that made it big on a local basis. over the years, ive collected a
few - a blue mosrite (the guitar the ventures made famous), a clear
acrylic danelectro bass, a '65 gretsch country gentleman autographed
by chet akins, - which is a whole story in an of itself - and an
original fender telecaster. i also have a custom made ovation
ballader which i bought in '85 during my acoustic phase along with a
gibson banjo and a dulcimer i built.

Glad you stayed with the art. I miss my old Takamine; was it an F 360? I
can't remember, but that number just popped into my head. I played bass.
I
also miss my Rickenbacker 4003 basses (Natural, Black, and White).

What makes a strat made today not a real strat? Why are pre-cbs strats
the
only real strats and today's are just reproductions?

its really snobbery of the worst kind actually, but pre-cbs fender
quitars are considered more - real - than the cbs versions. cbs bought
fender in '65 and started producing in '66 - anything post '65 build
by cbs wasn't a - quality - strat. cbs sold fender in '82 or '83 to
some private investors and since then, they have increased their
presence in the market place and started once again to build a quality
guitar.

so as i said - it's really snobbery - from what ive seen, the new
strats, even a few of the aisan ones, are really nice guitars and are
as - real - as another, but not - real - in the sense that they were
built by leo fender.

Some of the snobbery may come from simple observation. Before I continue, it
should be obvious that I have no idea how well adjusted a brand new strat
would've been, if you picked one up in a store in 1958. But today, Fender
basses come out of the box with necks so out of whack that they're almost
unplayable. I thought of buying one before I got my Peavey a year ago. The
dealer had about 50 Fender P & J basses. I couldn't find a single one with a
properly adjusted neck. This included both the Mexican- and American-made
ones. That makes a really bad impression. Meanwhile, pick up a Peavey,
Spector, Alembic or any number of other brands across a wide price range,
and they arrive at the store adjusted within at a range that most players
would call "sane".

my ovation, when i bought, was out of whack - guy tuned the neck for
me in about five minutes.

My Ovation was the same way, the strings were almost touching the
fretboard close to the nut.

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:59:34 -0800, "-rick-" wrote:


"Don White" wrote ...


Just foolin' around with this one...
http://guitar.about.com/library/weekly/aa071200a.htm


A tip...

At first it's tempting not to use your pinky finger when playing scales. I made
that mistake as a kid (self taught). It's hard to retrain the fingers later.

ill second that...

Yup. That's why its very good to take some lessons from a good teacher
early on, they'll point out your bad habits and get you on the right
track. I am amazed at the number of teachers who don't even bother
helping students develop the picking hand, and when I play guitar with
other people, see picking styles that range from not economizing
motion, to plain horrendous.

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


Here's what mine looks like:
http://www.blackcreekguitars.com/04-...-Strat-001.jpg


Since we're showing off guitars, here's one of mine. Not a Fender
though.
It's a Les Paul Gibson Standard. Nothing special, but a sweet sounding
guitar.

http://tinyurl.com/94whl

Eisboch

Is the Marshall amp an old tube amp, or solid state?


It's a "Valvestate" solid state, but supposed to have vacuum tube
coloration.
I've got a big old Mesa Boogie tube amp downstairs that really matches up
well with the Gibson. Too big and heavy to carry up to my room.

I'm trying to buy an old Fender Vibrolux reverb combo from an
aquaintence, but he's not coming down much on the price. LOVE that
sound. I've got a Peavey amp that's solid state but warms the tones in
the same way that Marshall's valvestate does. It's nice enough, but I'd
sure like that Vibrolux, what a blues amp! Believe it or not, my
brother has an old, old Heathkit tube amp that was akin to the Fender
Reverb Combo that plays pretty nicely.

chuckgould.chuck wrote:
I'm now a little more than a year into my bagpipe lessons.


So, can you play 'Amazing Grace'?

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
i have always wanted to learn how to play bagpipes.

if only for the nuisance factor.

Not only that, bagpipes make excellent fog signals. In heavy
fog, you can stand on your foredeck laying the bagpipes and
it not only qualifies as an official USCG warning signal, it
keeps other vessels MILES & MILES away!

DSK