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Old July 16th 04, 03:04 AM
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Bull****. If he's effeminate, then that's Mother Nature. If he ends up
liking other men, then that's a lifestyle *choice*.

Do you remember the day you "chose" between straight and gay?

Gays don't chose to be gay, any more than the rest of choose to be hetero.

Yup. Those in the relationship are less likely to spread diseases. But if
you raise kids in a gay household, I'd venture to say that it's more likely
the kids will be gay.

Not according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

I'd venture to say there are no statistics, at all, to back up your wild
Kids who grow up in a gay household are more likely to understand and respect
the gay lifestyle, but no hetero guy is going to
suppress his natural desire for women and force himself to have sex with men
simply because he had two dads at home.

It's not a "choice" for straights. It's not a "choice" for gays.

The only choice a gay person has is to be gay or to repress his or her
sexuality entirely. For those who believe that these people are an evil threat
to the fabric of society, I suppose that is what you would prefer they do. If
they're not going to have sex like you do, then they shouldn't be allowed to
have sex at all. Right?

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
Don White wrote:
I wonder if the fine citizens of 'Key West' or 'South Beach' know

Dr. No and his phobias?

Why do you think he's scared ****less of publishing any identifying

I treat every person who's in my dental chair with respect and
professionalism...even the guy who walked in wearing a Kerry/Edwards pin the
other day. ;-) I said nothing to him about his pin...and he said nothing
to me about my "signed" letter from Bush sitting on the front counter.

I even have several homosexual patients who come in for cleanings at the
same time as their "significant other". They, too, are treated with respect
and professionalism...enough so, that they've referred other same-sex
"couples". One of the guys lives with his partner in the most exclusive
(ie--expensive) part of Naples. They tried to join the beach club as a
couple, and my patient was admitted, but his partner was refused membership
rights that are only granted to spouses.

Naples has its fair share of homosexuals because it's a low-crime area.
Homosexuals can live here safely because the people are educated and hate crimes are non-existent. The gays don't flaunt their
homosexuality like they do in restrooms in South Beach, and the rest of
Naples leaves them alone. That's the way it should be.

We even had a Gay/Lesbian (Pride?) group of about a dozen people walking in
the Fourth of July parade. They walked right alongside Planned Parenthood
and the Democratic party's float.

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:09:19 GMT, "Don White"
I wonder if the fine citizens of 'Key West' or 'South Beach' know about
Dr. No and his phobias?


The distance between Naples, South Beach and KW is about a million

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"John Gaquin" wrote in message

"NOYB" wrote in message news:YkyJc.11133

Statistics have shown that homosexuals make up about 10% of our


Not so. Old figures. Debunked.

I was being generous. Since the number is even lower, my point is even more

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
Bull****. If he's effeminate, then that's Mother Nature. If he ends up
liking other men, then that's a lifestyle *choice*.

Do you remember the day you "chose" between straight and gay?

You don't "choose" to be straight. Everybody is "straight" by default. You
choose the alternative. That's why homosexuality is also called an
"alternative lifestyle".

Gays don't chose to be gay, any more than the rest of choose to be hetero.


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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
On 15 Jul 2004 20:12:02 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:
80 degreee water?!

Good grief.

The *air* seldom gets that hot in any "proper" climate. :-)


80 degrees ain't nuttin. I was out for a quick spin on the
Caloosahatchie River before dinner and the water temperature was 93
degrees about a 1/4 mile from the house. Unfortunately that's also a
reflection of the air temperature this time of year. They don't call
it the tropics for no reason, and yes, engine cooling does become an

Hopefully I will be retired by this time next year and cruising Maine
and the Cape Cod area on our new (to us) Grand Banks 49.

Beautiful boat Wayne. I always liked the lines of Grand Banks.

Did you notice a decrease in the water quality on the river today? I heard
they did another "big dump" from Lake O.

Fishing should suck for awhile again...and it's only a matter of time before
the red tide blooms. People at SW Florida Water Mgmt. District ought to be

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Gays don't chose to be gay, any more than the rest of choose to be hetero.


Yes, NOYB. BS. Biological Science.
Even if you want to call it a choice, there are common variations of the X
chromosone among male homosexuals who make that choice. And no, all those PhD's
at the end of this piece do not stand for "practicing homosexual doctor".

What is rather interesting is that this information evolved from a genetic
study of men who had died from AIDS. There was no predetermined objective to
prove anything about genetics and homosexual behavior, that turned out to be an
incidental discovery.

Read and learn:

National Cancer Institute
National Institutes of Health

A new study has found a correlation between a specific region of the X
chromosome and male homosexuality. The finding represents new evidence that
sexual orientation may be influenced by heredity.

The study is reported in the July 16 issue of Science by scientists from the
National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland.

By analyzing the inheritance of genetic markers in pairs of homosexual
brothers, the scientists localized the region related to sexual orientation to
a minute segment of the human genome. However, a specific gene has not yet been

Dean Hamer, Ph.D., chief author of the study, said, "The region that we've
discovered represents a significant variation in the human genetic repertoire.
If the gene itself can be isolated, then it will be important to understand how
it interacts with other genes, the brain, and the environment to influence a
trait as complex and variable as human sexuality."

Hamer is with the National Cancer Institute and conducted the study as part of
the Institute's effort to identify genetic factors involved in cancers that are
frequently found in gay men infected with the AIDS virus.

Hamer and colleagues studied the family histories of 114 gay men and found that
their brothers, maternal uncles, and maternal male cousins were more likely to
be homosexual than would be expected among the general male population. In some
families, gay relatives could be traced back for three generations. Because the
homosexual uncles and male cousins of the gay subjects were raised in different
households, the scientists hypothesized that a genetic factor was involved.
Furthermore, the maternal link suggested that homosexuality might be associated
with the X chromosome, which is the sex-linked chromosome that men inherit only
from their mothers.

Explicit evidence for a genetic link was obtained by studying the X chromosome
DNA of 40 pairs of gay brothers. The scientists used a technique called linkage
mapping to search for patterns of similarity in the genetic information of
related individuals. Thirty-three of the gay sibling pairs had coinherited
genetic markers in the same chromosome region called Xq28, suggesting that 65
percent of the families studied were transmitting a gene for homosexual

"The statistical significance of the results was better than 99 percent, which
means that the possibility of obtaining our findings by chance is extremely
unlikely," said Hamer. However, he noted that replication on an independent
population of families will be necessary to confirm the results.

The scientists do not know why 7 of the 40 pairs of gay brothers did not
coinherit the Xq28 genetic marker. Hamer postulated that these gay men may have
inherited other genes that are associated with homosexuality, or they might
have been influenced by environmental factors or life experiences.

"Given the intricacies of human behavior, it is not surprising that a single
genetic locus [region] fails to account for all of the variation seen in the
study group," said Hamer. "What is remarkable is that we can account for at
least some of the inherited variability with a fair degree of statistical

The scientists are also studying the families of lesbians. Preliminary results
suggest that female sexual orientation is genetically influenced, but DNA
markers have not been detected yet.

Hamer emphasized that the study was not designed to test for sexual
orientation. The findings do not permit determination of an individual's sexual
orientation, he pointed out, because the complexities of sexuality cannot be
fully explained by a gene or genes.

As efforts to map the human genome progress, there will be increasing concern
about how the information is used. Scientists, educators, policymakers, and the
public should work together to ensure that behavioral genetics research is used
to benefit all members of society and not to discriminate," said Hamer.

The study is titled "A Linkage Between DNA Markers on the X Chromosome and Male
Sexual Orientation." The authors are Dean H. Hamer, Ph.D., Stella Hu, M.A.,
Victoria L. Magnuson, Ph.D., Nan Hu, M.D., and Angela M. L. Pattatucci, Ph.D.

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PS, here's another one. :-)



April 26, 1995

Contact: Dr. William J. Turner
- e-mail:


Why would anyone choose to become a homosexual, willing to face the wrath and
scorn of family and society? Is this sexual preference a lifestyle choice, as
we now refer to it, or a deviant moral perversion?

It's neither, according to a paper just published in the April '95 issue of
Archives of Sexual Behavior. The study, by Dr. William J. Turner, a Professor
Emeritus of Psychiatry at the State University of New York at Stony Brook,
links homosexual behavior to a DNA sequence at a specific location on the long
arm of the X chromosome.

The genetic study, conducted over a period of six years, began when it was
discovered that there was an unusually low ratio of uncles in the families of
the mothers of gay children. In interviews of the families of 118 homosexual
men, there were only 210 uncles to 320 aunts, rather than the usual one male
for every female ratio that is found in the general population.

Evidence shows that 30% of the males conceived in the maternal generation do
not survive long enough to be born. Among the mother's relatives there occur,
far more frequently than in the father's relatives, such
biologically-determined events as gay and lesbian siblings and cousins,
infertility of male and female relatives, multiple miscarriages, failure to
marry, and suicide.

Further evidence shows that the exact same ratio of uncles to aunts that is
found in the families of homosexuals can be found in 9 other well-established
X-chromosomal conditions, such as color blindness, a form of hemophilia, and a
rare muscular disability.

What happens on the genetic level to cause homosexuality? According to Dr.
Turner, there is a gene or genes on the X and Y chromosomes that give rise to
our usual heterosexuality. The gene or genes in question may be inactivated by
a specific sequence of DNA called trinucleotide repeats. An example of this is
the DNA sequence consisting of one cytosine and two guanines. When the number
of repeats are no greater than 40, the gene is activated normally.

Sequences containing the nucleotide cytosine are unique. Cytosine is the only
nucleotide which can undergo a reaction called "methylation," a process whereby
S-adenosyl methionine gives methyl ions to cytosine, transforming it into
thymine, a new nucleotide. The longer the chain of repeats, and the greater the
methylation, the more the heterosexual gene will be inactivated.

If the number of repeats is too great, then it would be lethal, which explains
why so many males of the mother's generation die before birth.

So, homosexuality is transmitted through mothers to sons and daughters, not by
overprotective or seductive behavior, as was once believed, but what Dr. Turner
calls the ‘Gene for Gender’, the Xq28 region of her chromosomes.

"Homosexuals should not be accused of being sinful or willfully contrary," said
Dr. Turner. "It is a natural occurrence much like being born with brown or
blonde hair." Dr. Turner added that "since homosexuality has a worldwide
occurrence of about five percent of all populations, perhaps its existence
plays some important role in the survival of populations."

Dr. Turner is currently examining the extraordinary relationship of the
gradation of this genetic phenomenon to the full spectrum of sexual
behavior/preference including asexuals, bisexuals, transvestites and

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