"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

I still cannot figure out why the Fundie Repugs believe "same-sex
marriage" is a threat to heterosexual marriage.

You can figure it out, Harry -- you just claim you can't. Perceived
threat
to any individual heterosexual marriage is not the main issue. The issue
seems to be what you might call the fabric of society. In one or two
Scandinavian countries (can't recall which, and don't have the data in
front
of me) which have legalized and accepted homosexual marriage for 2 or 3
decades, the incidence of marriage in general has dropped precipitously.
Some 60% of first births are now to single women.

The question is why a society of some 300 million people should redefine
an
entire societal structure in order to accommodate the sensibilities of 3%
of
that population. It's a thorny issue, and I vacillate myself.

The problem is guvmint having a hand in marriage to begin with. If it had
not granted special rights (tax law, inheritence, etc) there would be no
debate about the validity of same sex marriages....it would be a non
issue.....Just another example of guvmint run amok

In one or two
Scandinavian countries (can't recall which, and don't have the data in front
of me) which have legalized and accepted homosexual marriage for 2 or 3
decades, the incidence of marriage in general has dropped precipitously.
Some 60% of first births are now to single women.

Has less to do with gay marriage ( a lot less) than the fact that women are no
longer economically dependent on men.

Women's liberation has done far more to change the "social fabric" of the
western world than has homosexuality. I doubt that most of those unwed women in
Scandinavia have decided to remain single
in order to protest gay marriage.

One thing does not always have to impact another. In the same 2-3 decades that
gay marriage has become accepted in Scandinavia, the use of microwave ovens has
quintupled. Maybe we should look at
microwaves. (just joking)

On 15 Jul 2004 16:12:53 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

In the same 2-3 decades that
gay marriage has become accepted in Scandinavia, the use of microwave ovens has
quintupled.

I'm all for a constitutional amendment banning the use of microwave
ovens cause, damnit, I'm a family values kinda guy.

bb

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bush 'disappointed' by gay marriage ban's defeat
Foes of Senate amendment decry 'political tool'

Thursday, July 15, 2004 Posted: 5:24 AM EDT (0924 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says he is "disappointed" that a move
to effectively ban same-sex marriage was "temporarily blocked" in the
Senate, and he is urging the House to take up the matter.

"Activist judges and local officials in some parts of the country are
not letting up in their efforts to redefine marriage for the rest of
America, and neither should defenders of traditional marriage flag in
their efforts," Bush said in a statement.
------------------------------------------------

Awwwwwwwww....hopefully, Bush will have a really big disappointment in
November.

I still cannot figure out why the Fundie Repugs believe "same-sex
marriage" is a threat to heterosexual marriage

It's a threat to the well-being of kids growing up in such a screwed up
environment. It's the moral decay of a society which is dominated by
homosexuality. You think it's not a problem? Look at the history of
civilizations in which homosexuality flourished.




Show me proof that same-sex marriage is a serious threat to the
well-being of children, or, better yet, *more serious* threat to the
well-being of children brought up in a traditional household where the
female is dominated by the male or abused by the male, or where one
partner drinks, takes drugs, or where the family doesn't have the
wherewithal for health care, food, shelter, whatever.

Show me proof that our society is dominated by homosexuality.

Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby. Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

If what you cite is all there there, then it is hogwash.

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:52:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby. Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

So their is no question about Bush's sexuality then?

bb

bb wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:52:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby. Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

So their is no question about Bush's sexuality then?

bb



I heard the twins were the result of immaculate deception...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:52:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:


Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby. Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

So their is no question about Bush's sexuality then?

bb



I heard the twins were the result of immaculate deception...

Virgin birth...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bush 'disappointed' by gay marriage ban's defeat
Foes of Senate amendment decry 'political tool'

Thursday, July 15, 2004 Posted: 5:24 AM EDT (0924 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says he is "disappointed" that a
move
to effectively ban same-sex marriage was "temporarily blocked" in the
Senate, and he is urging the House to take up the matter.

"Activist judges and local officials in some parts of the country are
not letting up in their efforts to redefine marriage for the rest of
America, and neither should defenders of traditional marriage flag in
their efforts," Bush said in a statement.
------------------------------------------------

Awwwwwwwww....hopefully, Bush will have a really big disappointment in
November.

I still cannot figure out why the Fundie Repugs believe "same-sex
marriage" is a threat to heterosexual marriage

It's a threat to the well-being of kids growing up in such a screwed up
environment. It's the moral decay of a society which is dominated by
homosexuality. You think it's not a problem? Look at the history of
civilizations in which homosexuality flourished.




Show me proof that same-sex marriage is a serious threat to the
well-being of children, or, better yet, *more serious* threat to the
well-being of children brought up in a traditional household where the
female is dominated by the male or abused by the male, or where one
partner drinks, takes drugs, or where the family doesn't have the
wherewithal for health care, food, shelter, whatever.

Funny that you would compare/equate a same-sex marriage household with the
other destructive, dysfunctional types of households out there.



Show me proof that our society is dominated by homosexuality.

Open a TV Guide and look at the programs that are on every night.
Statistics have shown that homosexuals make up about 10% of our population.
Programs about homosexuals, or programs that make reference to homosexuals
constitute a lot larger portion of the nightly TV program lineup than 10%.




Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby.

Yes...one of which can be the rampant spread of homosexuality. When a
civilization loses it's morals, it starts down the slippery slope to
extinction.

Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

It's one of the reasons why morality is at an all-time low.

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bush 'disappointed' by gay marriage ban's defeat
Foes of Senate amendment decry 'political tool'

Thursday, July 15, 2004 Posted: 5:24 AM EDT (0924 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says he is "disappointed" that a
move
to effectively ban same-sex marriage was "temporarily blocked" in the
Senate, and he is urging the House to take up the matter.

"Activist judges and local officials in some parts of the country are
not letting up in their efforts to redefine marriage for the rest of
America, and neither should defenders of traditional marriage flag in
their efforts," Bush said in a statement.
------------------------------------------------

Awwwwwwwww....hopefully, Bush will have a really big disappointment in
November.

I still cannot figure out why the Fundie Repugs believe "same-sex
marriage" is a threat to heterosexual marriage

It's a threat to the well-being of kids growing up in such a screwed up
environment. It's the moral decay of a society which is dominated by
homosexuality. You think it's not a problem? Look at the history of
civilizations in which homosexuality flourished.




Show me proof that same-sex marriage is a serious threat to the
well-being of children, or, better yet, *more serious* threat to the
well-being of children brought up in a traditional household where the
female is dominated by the male or abused by the male, or where one
partner drinks, takes drugs, or where the family doesn't have the
wherewithal for health care, food, shelter, whatever.

Funny that you would compare/equate a same-sex marriage household with the
other destructive, dysfunctional types of households out there.

Sorry, fella, but I'm just playhing off your illogic.





Show me proof that our society is dominated by homosexuality.

Open a TV Guide and look at the programs that are on every night.
Statistics have shown that homosexuals make up about 10% of our population.
Programs about homosexuals, or programs that make reference to homosexuals
constitute a lot larger portion of the nightly TV program lineup than 10%.

Well, that's surely scientific...





Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby.

Yes...one of which can be the rampant spread of homosexuality. When a
civilization loses it's morals, it starts down the slippery slope to
extinction.

Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

It's one of the reasons why morality is at an all-time low.


I'm blame the decline in morality on right-wing bigortry.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bush 'disappointed' by gay marriage ban's defeat
Foes of Senate amendment decry 'political tool'

Thursday, July 15, 2004 Posted: 5:24 AM EDT (0924 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says he is "disappointed" that a
move
to effectively ban same-sex marriage was "temporarily blocked" in
the
Senate, and he is urging the House to take up the matter.

"Activist judges and local officials in some parts of the country
are
not letting up in their efforts to redefine marriage for the rest of
America, and neither should defenders of traditional marriage flag
in
their efforts," Bush said in a statement.
------------------------------------------------

Awwwwwwwww....hopefully, Bush will have a really big disappointment
in
November.

I still cannot figure out why the Fundie Repugs believe "same-sex
marriage" is a threat to heterosexual marriage

It's a threat to the well-being of kids growing up in such a screwed
up
environment. It's the moral decay of a society which is dominated by
homosexuality. You think it's not a problem? Look at the history of
civilizations in which homosexuality flourished.




Show me proof that same-sex marriage is a serious threat to the
well-being of children, or, better yet, *more serious* threat to the
well-being of children brought up in a traditional household where the
female is dominated by the male or abused by the male, or where one
partner drinks, takes drugs, or where the family doesn't have the
wherewithal for health care, food, shelter, whatever.

Funny that you would compare/equate a same-sex marriage household with
the
other destructive, dysfunctional types of households out there.

Sorry, fella, but I'm just playhing off your illogic.





Show me proof that our society is dominated by homosexuality.

Open a TV Guide and look at the programs that are on every night.
Statistics have shown that homosexuals make up about 10% of our
population.
Programs about homosexuals, or programs that make reference to
homosexuals
constitute a lot larger portion of the nightly TV program lineup than
10%.

Well, that's surely scientific...





Civilizations rise and fall for many reasons, Nobby.

Yes...one of which can be the rampant spread of homosexuality. When a
civilization loses it's morals, it starts down the slippery slope to
extinction.

Ours in this
country is falling, but not because of homosexuality.

It's one of the reasons why morality is at an all-time low.


I'm blame the decline in morality on right-wing bigortry.

Right wing "bigotry" is nothing more than conservatives trying to maintain
the moral principles that our country was built upon. Any decline in
morality is a result of liberals trying to change social customs that have
worked well for the last two centuries.