Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000. With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.

Please shop around. I recommend Mako, Proline, Boston Whaler, Chris Craft,
etc. Being it's your first boat, why not get a great $5000 used one before
you commit to a higher ticket item? This way if you lose interest (most
people do), you can expect to get at least half your investment back if you
sell it.

Jim Rojas

wrote in message
...
Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000. With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

Absolute horsecrap.
Bayliner makes a great entry level boat.
Glastron also has a low priced model.
A lot of people think you should buy a used boat - I wonder if they buy used
cars.
The advantage of buying new is that you have a warranty and you can take
care of the boat. Buying used, you might be buying someone else's trashed
boat.
If you've no clue what you want and are likely to want a different boat in a
year or two, you are probably better off buying used and avoiding the
depreciation on a new boat.
As for the size of boat - if it's just the two of you on calm days, a 17'
boat's good. A bigger boat gives you a little more space to move around and
will handle choppy water a little bit better.
I'm prejudiced. I bought my 1998 19' Bayliner bowrider new for less than
$10,000. I use it at least two days a week, year round, in salt water. The
lowest price I could find for any other boats was about $14,000, and there
wasn't any significant difference. Oh, there was a difference: my Bayliner
included a galvanized trailer - the others came with painted trailers.

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message
...
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.

Please shop around. I recommend Mako, Proline, Boston Whaler, Chris Craft,
etc. Being it's your first boat, why not get a great $5000 used one before
you commit to a higher ticket item? This way if you lose interest (most
people do), you can expect to get at least half your investment back if
you
sell it.

Jim Rojas

wrote in message
...
Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000. With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

Don't take my word for it...ask around. I have replaced floorboards,
stringers, transoms, and even complete interiors on many Bayliners. Their
problem is that Bayliner takes too many short cuts. Their hulls are 1/4 inch
thick at best, and their transoms are prone to rotting out rather quickly.
They use cheap lumber in their stringers. The floorboards are 3/8 thick
plywood, which will crack over time just by walking on it. The instrument
cluster is a cheap looking as you can get. As long as you keep your Bayliner
in freshwater only and properly covered against the elements, it should last
a long time, otherwise you have been forewarned.

Jim Rojas


"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lQuzc.4387$0z6.65@fed1read07...
Absolute horsecrap.
Bayliner makes a great entry level boat.
Glastron also has a low priced model.
A lot of people think you should buy a used boat - I wonder if they buy
used
cars.
The advantage of buying new is that you have a warranty and you can take
care of the boat. Buying used, you might be buying someone else's trashed
boat.
If you've no clue what you want and are likely to want a different boat in
a
year or two, you are probably better off buying used and avoiding the
depreciation on a new boat.
As for the size of boat - if it's just the two of you on calm days, a 17'
boat's good. A bigger boat gives you a little more space to move around
and
will handle choppy water a little bit better.
I'm prejudiced. I bought my 1998 19' Bayliner bowrider new for less than
$10,000. I use it at least two days a week, year round, in salt water. The
lowest price I could find for any other boats was about $14,000, and there
wasn't any significant difference. Oh, there was a difference: my Bayliner
included a galvanized trailer - the others came with painted trailers.

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message
...
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.

Please shop around. I recommend Mako, Proline, Boston Whaler, Chris
Craft,
etc. Being it's your first boat, why not get a great $5000 used one
before
you commit to a higher ticket item? This way if you lose interest (most
people do), you can expect to get at least half your investment back if
you
sell it.

Jim Rojas

wrote in message
...
Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000. With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

I bought a 1 1/2 season used 2000 19' Bayliner Capri from our local Marina 3
seasons ago. Other than basic maintenance it's been a great boat (my first
with a motor!) There are many Bayliner bashers out there, but for a good
first all-around boat it serves my purposes well. I think that the price
you've been quoted is a bit high though. I got my boat, with basically a new
trailer along with a lift with a brand new cover for $13K. Since I bought it
locally, I knew what I was getting. Oh, I've only used it freshwater.

No matter what the other folks say, if you take good care of your boat - no
matter what brand you get, it will serve you well. Routine maintenance -
winterize/summerize, frequent cleaning, frequent checking on loose screws,
bolts, etc.

Have a great time with whatever you get.

Best in boating,
Joe



In article , "Jim Rojas"
wrote:
Don't take my word for it...ask around. I have replaced floorboards,
stringers, transoms, and even complete interiors on many Bayliners. Their
problem is that Bayliner takes too many short cuts. Their hulls are 1/4 inch
thick at best, and their transoms are prone to rotting out rather quickly.
They use cheap lumber in their stringers. The floorboards are 3/8 thick
plywood, which will crack over time just by walking on it. The instrument
cluster is a cheap looking as you can get. As long as you keep your Bayliner
in freshwater only and properly covered against the elements, it should last
a long time, otherwise you have been forewarned.

Jim Rojas


"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lQuzc.4387$0z6.65@fed1read07...
Absolute horsecrap.
Bayliner makes a great entry level boat.
Glastron also has a low priced model.
A lot of people think you should buy a used boat - I wonder if they buy
used
cars.
The advantage of buying new is that you have a warranty and you can take
care of the boat. Buying used, you might be buying someone else's trashed
boat.
If you've no clue what you want and are likely to want a different boat in
a
year or two, you are probably better off buying used and avoiding the
depreciation on a new boat.
As for the size of boat - if it's just the two of you on calm days, a 17'
boat's good. A bigger boat gives you a little more space to move around
and
will handle choppy water a little bit better.
I'm prejudiced. I bought my 1998 19' Bayliner bowrider new for less than
$10,000. I use it at least two days a week, year round, in salt water. The
lowest price I could find for any other boats was about $14,000, and there
wasn't any significant difference. Oh, there was a difference: my Bayliner
included a galvanized trailer - the others came with painted trailers.

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message
...
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.

Please shop around. I recommend Mako, Proline, Boston Whaler, Chris
Craft,
etc. Being it's your first boat, why not get a great $5000 used one
before
you commit to a higher ticket item? This way if you lose interest (most
people do), you can expect to get at least half your investment back if
you
sell it.

Jim Rojas

wrote in message
...
Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000. With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

I do agree that Bayliners have improved...but I put older 80-94 Bayliners in
the same class as a Ford Pinto...and we all know what the 70's did to
American Car Manufacturers...All kidding aside, the newer 95+ Bayliners are
much better.

I have a beautiful 1987 Capri that basically fell apart no matter how good I
took care of it. After I completely gutted the boat 8 years ago, and used
better materials, I now have no more problems with the boat. I also own an
old 1976 freeform trihull...This boat has seen nothing but salt water all
its life, and has all the original stringers, and transom. I just recently
replaced the floorboards after 20+ years of service. The 3 inch thick
transom is still solid to this day.

One thing I did notice is that older Bayliners were only treated on one side
of the floorboards, plus excess water had no way of escaping, due to the
poor layout of the floation foam. This is why the boat rotted out so
quickly. I redesigned the boat to allow it to be completely submerged, then
allowing any water below the floorboards to easily make its way out, so the
boat can air dry quickly.

Jim Rojas

"Joseph A. Rich" wrote in message
...

I bought a 1 1/2 season used 2000 19' Bayliner Capri from our local Marina
3
seasons ago. Other than basic maintenance it's been a great boat (my
first
with a motor!) There are many Bayliner bashers out there, but for a good
first all-around boat it serves my purposes well. I think that the price
you've been quoted is a bit high though. I got my boat, with basically a
new
trailer along with a lift with a brand new cover for $13K. Since I bought
it
locally, I knew what I was getting. Oh, I've only used it freshwater.

No matter what the other folks say, if you take good care of your boat -
no
matter what brand you get, it will serve you well. Routine maintenance -
winterize/summerize, frequent cleaning, frequent checking on loose screws,
bolts, etc.

Have a great time with whatever you get.

Best in boating,
Joe



In article , "Jim Rojas"
wrote:
Don't take my word for it...ask around. I have replaced floorboards,
stringers, transoms, and even complete interiors on many Bayliners. Their
problem is that Bayliner takes too many short cuts. Their hulls are 1/4
inch
thick at best, and their transoms are prone to rotting out rather
quickly.
They use cheap lumber in their stringers. The floorboards are 3/8 thick
plywood, which will crack over time just by walking on it. The instrument
cluster is a cheap looking as you can get. As long as you keep your
Bayliner
in freshwater only and properly covered against the elements, it should
last
a long time, otherwise you have been forewarned.

Jim Rojas


"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lQuzc.4387$0z6.65@fed1read07...
Absolute horsecrap.
Bayliner makes a great entry level boat.
Glastron also has a low priced model.
A lot of people think you should buy a used boat - I wonder if they buy
used
cars.
The advantage of buying new is that you have a warranty and you can
take
care of the boat. Buying used, you might be buying someone else's
trashed
boat.
If you've no clue what you want and are likely to want a different boat
in
a
year or two, you are probably better off buying used and avoiding the
depreciation on a new boat.
As for the size of boat - if it's just the two of you on calm days, a
17'
boat's good. A bigger boat gives you a little more space to move around
and
will handle choppy water a little bit better.
I'm prejudiced. I bought my 1998 19' Bayliner bowrider new for less
than
$10,000. I use it at least two days a week, year round, in salt water.
The
lowest price I could find for any other boats was about $14,000, and
there
wasn't any significant difference. Oh, there was a difference: my
Bayliner
included a galvanized trailer - the others came with painted trailers.

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message
...
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of
boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin
hulls...real
garbage.

Please shop around. I recommend Mako, Proline, Boston Whaler, Chris
Craft,
etc. Being it's your first boat, why not get a great $5000 used one
before
you commit to a higher ticket item? This way if you lose interest
(most
people do), you can expect to get at least half your investment back
if
you
sell it.

Jim Rojas

wrote in message
...
Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what
ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000.
With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the
price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is
$12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the
Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

Don't take my word for it...ask around. I have replaced floorboards,
stringers, transoms, and even complete interiors on many Bayliners.

The floorboards are 3/8 thick
plywood, which will crack over time just by walking on it. The instrument
cluster is a cheap looking as you can get. As long as you keep your Bayliner
in freshwater only and properly covered against the elements, it should last

We're talking about a guy considering a brand new boat here, not somebody out
to ressurrect a wasted boat bought for $1000 someplace.

Visit any busy boatyard, and you will see people replacing transoms, stringers,
and complete interiors on a wide variety of boats built by different
manufacturers. More Bayliners than other boats in the boatyard? May have
something to do with the fact there are more Bayliners sold. On any given day,
there are more Toyotas being repaired than there are Isuzus...does that make
Toyota an inferior car? If requiring eventual repair is a reason not to buy a
boat, nobobdy should ever buy any brand of boat built by anybody.

You examples are extreme, prejudicial, and in a few cases not acurate. Will a
"cheap looking" instrument cluster sink the boat? The vast majority of
Bayliners do not have plywood floors, and have not had plywood floors for many,
many years. The Capri series (two cheapest boats) still had plywood floors last
time I checked, everything else was FRP. It's just wrong to
generally characterize the entire product line as having "plywood floors" based
on the construction of the cheapest, price point product.

Name a boat that can be exposed to the elements continuously without some
damage. You make that sound as if it's a Bayliner deficiency. Yup, abuse
anything and it will suffer.

And finally, sal****er does not cause a boat to dissolve, regardless of what
folks putting around the reservoir in South Dakota might conclude.

I am bought a used Bayliner a few months back. It was from the first owner
whom I understand is quite fastidious about it.

As a boat, I can't find a better value boat at the price I paid. It gave me
the extra space I wanted and is of a configuration that suited me. A
'better built' boat I can see is at a much higher price and is somewhat
beyond my practical reach. Like cars, if buy a premium model you get to see
a higher resale, don't forget you've paid more in the first place. If you
examine it carefully, the returns are lesser, boats fare much worse.

Buyig new or used is something else. This has nothing to do with Bayliners
or any boat brands, it just used stuff, you cannot expect clean use without
having to iron out of the bugs. With a used boat this may just well turn
you off before you ever reach the enjoyment part.

In my case, I had it in Nov last year, it been coughing up repair after
repair every weekend, all on the engine and sterndrive, none required on the
hull. This is a Mercruiser product not Bayliner.

Fortunately, I was able to do all the repairs, so its parts cost and my
time. Getting a mech would have set me back, big time. I believe I've just
cleaned up the last. Only old things left are the other cylinder head,
carb, lower gear and main engine block, sure hope they hold, my banks about
done and wife and kids are giving me no end on this and suggesttions on 1001
other uses for Mercruisers are free flowing.

Take the boat out for a ride, run it over wakes, waves, chops. See how it
handles. Do you like the all round visibility, enough shade, tank size
(range). Brand conciousness is a big ticket. Better to have leftover cash
to buy fuel and go than sitting at the docks.

Enjoy!




"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lQuzc.4387$0z6.65@fed1read07...
Absolute horsecrap.
Bayliner makes a great entry level boat.
Glastron also has a low priced model.
A lot of people think you should buy a used boat - I wonder if they buy
used
cars.
The advantage of buying new is that you have a warranty and you can take
care of the boat. Buying used, you might be buying someone else's trashed
boat.
If you've no clue what you want and are likely to want a different boat in
a
year or two, you are probably better off buying used and avoiding the
depreciation on a new boat.
As for the size of boat - if it's just the two of you on calm days, a 17'
boat's good. A bigger boat gives you a little more space to move around
and
will handle choppy water a little bit better.
I'm prejudiced. I bought my 1998 19' Bayliner bowrider new for less than
$10,000. I use it at least two days a week, year round, in salt water. The
lowest price I could find for any other boats was about $14,000, and there
wasn't any significant difference. Oh, there was a difference: my Bayliner
included a galvanized trailer - the others came with painted trailers.

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message
...
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.

Please shop around. I recommend Mako, Proline, Boston Whaler, Chris
Craft,
etc. Being it's your first boat, why not get a great $5000 used one
before
you commit to a higher ticket item? This way if you lose interest (most
people do), you can expect to get at least half your investment back if
you
sell it.

Jim Rojas

wrote in message
...
Hi folks,

My wife and I went around looking at boats today. Was wonder what ya
all feel about the Bayliner 185 ? We were quoted a price $15000. With
taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $16057.50. This is for the
Bayliner 185 w/ bikini top and coast guard package. Does this price
sound reasonable?

For the Bayliner 175 w/ bikini top and coast guard package the price
is $12,000. With taxes, ppep, freight, etc, the total is $12870.00.

Do you think the Bayliner 185 is worth $3217.50 more than the Bayliner
175?

This is our first boat purchase. We would appreciate your input.

Thanks,
JC

"Jim Rojas" wrote in message . ..
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.


This is just ridiculous nonsense. When you see a post like this, take
it with a large grain of salt; people who make these sweeping comments
"the worst boats in the world" usually have an agenda, an inferiority
complex, or both.

I own a 96 Bayliner Capri which I bought 2 years old. It's been in
salt water every season since. I maintain it fastidiously. It has
been wonderful. My family and I have enjoyed it every summer for the
past six years.

It is an entry-level boat. Fittings and furnishings are by no means
deluxe, but nothing is falling apart or wearing any differently than
it would on any other boat. The upholstery, windscreen, hardware, etc
are all fine. The "pieces" that are attached to the hull, including
the power plant, the outdrive, the steering system, the bilge pump,
are all made by reputable manufacturers, and they all work as well as
they do on other boats to which they are fitted. I have been told
that the hull uses a cheaper construction methods than some other
boats, but you know what? I don't care! My boat has held up fine.
It has a limited lifetime warranty on the hull, and I've seen no signs
of cracks, no blistering, no rot, no problems. I'm not saying it's
because they are great boats, they are entry-level, cheap boats, but
if well maintained they will perform at least adequately.

I paid $8,000.00 for it six years ago. I consider it the best
$8,000.00 I ever spent. I have gotten so much joy and pleasure from
it. Luckily, when I bought it, I was blissfully unaware of all the
bull**** and the raging arguments about Bayliners. From what I've
learned, Bayliners did have quality problems particularly in the 80's.
All I can tell you is that I haven't seen evidence of it. My boat
seems reasonably well-made (again, without many of the nice extras
that more expensive boats may have, as you would expect). I suspect I
could easily get $4-5,000 for it now, though I have no reason to sell
it and I really have no idea what it's worth.

I really think that there are some people who just repeat this stuff
without any particular first-hand knowledge, or to make themselves
feel better about their more expensive boats. I have nothing against
more expensive boats and I guess I'd like to own one some day. But
there is nothing wrong with a Bayliner.

If you bothered to read the rest of the thread, you would have seen that I
did agree that Bayliners finally did get better from 1996 and on...but after
25 years of making "disposable" boats, one must wonder what took them so
long to get it right. I currently own a 1987 Capri, which I totally restored
using the right materials...8 years later and the boat is still fine. I also
own a 1976 Freeform trihull that has all the original lumber. After 20+
years of service, it finally can use new floorboards...I don't think you
will ever get 20+ years out of any Bayliner floorboards.

Jim Rojas


"brad" wrote in message
om...
"Jim Rojas" wrote in message
. ..
Bayliner makes the worst boats in the world. They are the "YUGO" of boat
builders. They use the cheapest materials, have very thin hulls...real
garbage.


This is just ridiculous nonsense. When you see a post like this, take
it with a large grain of salt; people who make these sweeping comments
"the worst boats in the world" usually have an agenda, an inferiority
complex, or both.

I own a 96 Bayliner Capri which I bought 2 years old. It's been in
salt water every season since. I maintain it fastidiously. It has
been wonderful. My family and I have enjoyed it every summer for the
past six years.

It is an entry-level boat. Fittings and furnishings are by no means
deluxe, but nothing is falling apart or wearing any differently than
it would on any other boat. The upholstery, windscreen, hardware, etc
are all fine. The "pieces" that are attached to the hull, including
the power plant, the outdrive, the steering system, the bilge pump,
are all made by reputable manufacturers, and they all work as well as
they do on other boats to which they are fitted. I have been told
that the hull uses a cheaper construction methods than some other
boats, but you know what? I don't care! My boat has held up fine.
It has a limited lifetime warranty on the hull, and I've seen no signs
of cracks, no blistering, no rot, no problems. I'm not saying it's
because they are great boats, they are entry-level, cheap boats, but
if well maintained they will perform at least adequately.

I paid $8,000.00 for it six years ago. I consider it the best
$8,000.00 I ever spent. I have gotten so much joy and pleasure from
it. Luckily, when I bought it, I was blissfully unaware of all the
bull**** and the raging arguments about Bayliners. From what I've
learned, Bayliners did have quality problems particularly in the 80's.
All I can tell you is that I haven't seen evidence of it. My boat
seems reasonably well-made (again, without many of the nice extras
that more expensive boats may have, as you would expect). I suspect I
could easily get $4-5,000 for it now, though I have no reason to sell
it and I really have no idea what it's worth.

I really think that there are some people who just repeat this stuff
without any particular first-hand knowledge, or to make themselves
feel better about their more expensive boats. I have nothing against
more expensive boats and I guess I'd like to own one some day. But
there is nothing wrong with a Bayliner.