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add a rudder to a kayak?
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:57:57 -0500, KMAN wrote:
in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 6:07 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:50:28 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip Whatever you are flapping off about now, it most assuredly has nothing to do with the thread, which is supposedly your primary concern. And what is your primary concern? snip blather Kman seems to be much more of a Usenet rebel, whose input is suspect, and without the quality of real life experience. He makes me think of a Usenet ghost, that just pops in and out of a NG, with his quips, and then fades away! No real commitment to the health of the group, or the current discussion. Some would call it trolling! I have a long established internet presence, That's a hoot!!! but leaving that point aside, whether or not I post as George Bush or KMAN, the veracity of my statements may be judged in equal fashion according to their content. The trashman cometh! You've babbled on about using air conditioning in a car and other non-analogous ramblings. Some insist that the use of autotrans saves gas, and yet use the AC which can use up to 1/4 of the available Hp. hence "wasting gas" for their comfort and convienence. A rudder may not be as efficient as just leaning into a turn, but is more convienent, especially with beamy boats like my Folbot Super and Klepper AEII. Sounds like your boat just doesn't work very well :-/ Works fine, and as designed, with a rudder! Kleppers have been used in trans-Atlantic crossings, has yours? Each design has a specific purpose, and some designs include a rudder. The rudder is not inheritantly bad, as you have indicated. So saving gas is not so much the issue as comfort and convienence, and the macho illusion of using a standard transmission. Macho illusion? You mean there's no women that prefer driving standard? Heh. I know quite a few. I am not surprised that you would know quite a few! snip Just let me paddle! Uh. Who is stopping you? Old Man Winter! If you have a specific question regarding kayaks and rudders, please feel free to pose it. If I pose a specific question, can I expect you to pose a specific, and non inflamatory reponse? Probably. It depends, I would suppose, on the question and how pose it. Try to ask it without being an asshole, if you are concerned about the politeness of the response. And again, what would the basis of your experience be to answer such a question? In other words, do you really know what you are talking about, or are you just a - Poser? I'll be sure to adequately reference my statements for you. I think that was the jist of the question that was ask earlier in the thread by someone else, and a question you did not choose to answer! Would you care to answer it now? RkyMtnHootOwl OvO I have no idea what you are talking about. But as stated, if you wish to ask a question that relates to the title of the thread, just ask it. Your incessant off-topic blather is not necessary. On Sept 24th at 8:00 am, of this thread, Bits ask you a question about your resume, KMAN would you be open to sharing your kayaking resume so I can better judge how to process you input and comments on this thread? .. . To which you gave your usual impertinent response, on Sept 24th at 9:17 am. Well, I ain't no Paul Caffyn. But you don't need to circumnavigate the freakin' plant to understand that a rudder is a recreational appendage, unecessary to accurate and efficient paddling. Bits resplied back, on Sept 24th at 7:24 am., Ah, a simple no would have been sufficient! No need to apologize to me with regard to your experience level. Thank you for your response. I love this community! Apparently you have no credentials for your blather about not using a rudder other than your thoughtful blowhard! As far as I can see, Bits has not chosen to continue a dialog with you. I expect that he understands now the basis of your buffoonery about the use of rudders and your experience level, and the expected lack of content of your replies! I have observed this phenomenum in other threads and NG, with the resulting response to your post! As a sailor, I drift the way the wind blows! If I drift OT, there is probably a blowhard somewhere upwind! I usually try not to drift, but to sail upwind if possible! "The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails." I am learning to adjust my sails! I have been thinking of another ditty! "Give a hoot, don't polloot the NG" OvO I have to ask, are you an adult? I've just realized you might well be a child in grade school and I've been a little harsh with you! If as a child, I am judged guileless, I will be happy to be judged a child. Though as an adult, I find that I must put up with much buffoonery! OvG |
add a rudder to a kayak?
in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/4/05 8:18 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:57:57 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 6:07 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:50:28 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip Whatever you are flapping off about now, it most assuredly has nothing to do with the thread, which is supposedly your primary concern. And what is your primary concern? In this thread? I'd say it is to ensure that some innocent newbie doesn't get the idea that they don't need to learn how to paddle since their kayak has a rudder. snip blather Kman seems to be much more of a Usenet rebel, whose input is suspect, and without the quality of real life experience. He makes me think of a Usenet ghost, that just pops in and out of a NG, with his quips, and then fades away! No real commitment to the health of the group, or the current discussion. Some would call it trolling! I have a long established internet presence, That's a hoot!!! How so? You've babbled on about using air conditioning in a car and other non-analogous ramblings. Some insist that the use of autotrans saves gas, and yet use the AC which can use up to 1/4 of the available Hp. hence "wasting gas" for their comfort and convienence. A rudder may not be as efficient as just leaning into a turn, but is more convienent, especially with beamy boats like my Folbot Super and Klepper AEII. Sounds like your boat just doesn't work very well :-/ Works fine, and as designed, with a rudder! Kleppers have been used in trans-Atlantic crossings, has yours? Each design has a specific purpose, and some designs include a rudder. The rudder is not inheritantly bad, as you have indicated. I'd be rather terrifed crossing the Atlantic in a boat that won't work if the rudder malfunctions! So saving gas is not so much the issue as comfort and convienence, and the macho illusion of using a standard transmission. Macho illusion? You mean there's no women that prefer driving standard? Heh. I know quite a few. I am not surprised that you would know quite a few! You don't know any? Just let me paddle! Uh. Who is stopping you? Old Man Winter! Ah. If you have a specific question regarding kayaks and rudders, please feel free to pose it. If I pose a specific question, can I expect you to pose a specific, and non inflamatory reponse? Probably. It depends, I would suppose, on the question and how pose it. Try to ask it without being an asshole, if you are concerned about the politeness of the response. And again, what would the basis of your experience be to answer such a question? In other words, do you really know what you are talking about, or are you just a - Poser? I'll be sure to adequately reference my statements for you. I think that was the jist of the question that was ask earlier in the thread by someone else, and a question you did not choose to answer! Would you care to answer it now? RkyMtnHootOwl OvO I have no idea what you are talking about. But as stated, if you wish to ask a question that relates to the title of the thread, just ask it. Your incessant off-topic blather is not necessary. On Sept 24th at 8:00 am, of this thread, Bits ask you a question about your resume, KMAN would you be open to sharing your kayaking resume so I can better judge how to process you input and comments on this thread? .. . To which you gave your usual impertinent response, on Sept 24th at 9:17 am. Well, I ain't no Paul Caffyn. But you don't need to circumnavigate the freakin' plant to understand that a rudder is a recreational appendage, unecessary to accurate and efficient paddling. Bits resplied back, on Sept 24th at 7:24 am., Ah, a simple no would have been sufficient! No need to apologize to me with regard to your experience level. Thank you for your response. I love this community! Apparently you have no credentials for your blather about not using a rudder other than your thoughtful blowhard! As far as I can see, Bits has not chosen to continue a dialog with you. I expect that he understands now the basis of your buffoonery about the use of rudders and your experience level, and the expected lack of content of your replies! I have observed this phenomenum in other threads and NG, with the resulting response to your post! I don't recall this "Bits" exchange (and certainly don't attach importance to it) but apparently you are rather fascinated with it (and me) for some bizarre cyberstalking reason. The fact that I did not choose to share with "Bits" my paddling background does not mean that I do not have one, nor is it relevant to the many points made about the use of rudders by myself and others. For "expert" opinion you may - as you clearly know how to do - google on experts and kayaking and rudders. I could tell you I've paddled the full length of the Niagara River in both directions and also circumnavigated Newfoundland and therefore have unique knowledge as to the efficacy of rudders, if that will help you move beyond your concerns about experience and simply examine the arguments. As a sailor, I drift the way the wind blows! If I drift OT, there is probably a blowhard somewhere upwind! I usually try not to drift, but to sail upwind if possible! Geezus, this from the king of the blowhards. You are largely incapable of a concise statement of any kind. "The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails." I am learning to adjust my sails! Try giving your head a shake. I have been thinking of another ditty! "Give a hoot, don't polloot the NG" OvO I have to ask, are you an adult? I've just realized you might well be a child in grade school and I've been a little harsh with you! If as a child, I am judged guileless, I will be happy to be judged a child. Though as an adult, I find that I must put up with much buffoonery! OvG You generate a lot of it, certainly. |
add a rudder to a kayak?
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:18:17 -0500, KMAN wrote:
in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 8:18 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:57:57 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 6:07 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:50:28 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip the thread, which is supposedly your primary concern. And what is your primary concern? In this thread? I'd say it is to ensure that some innocent newbie doesn't get the idea that they don't need to learn how to paddle since their kayak has a rudder. An admirable concern! However very few newbies are trully innocent. Most have seen a kayak or canoe paddled before, and have an idea of what is suppose to be going on with the paddle end of the stick, and the rudder end of the boat. That is one of the beauties of the sport, anyone can do it to some degree in short order. It might not be pretty, but it will still be fun! Now I realize that may not keep them out of trouble, and having said that it seems that even us "veterans" can get in our own share of trouble. I would mention the story of Keenan slicing down the river swift, apparently without checking the rapids first. I have had my own share of self induced "trouble". But if we can save a newbie now and then, I am in favor of saving anyone that can be saved! Ask me about Jesus! The thread was not about newbies using rudders, but about rudder use in general, and even by experienced paddlers on difficult circumnavigations. You seemed to be in opposition to many experienced paddlers even here on the RBP, who were willing to recognize that they have their place. Check with other discussion groups, like Paddlewise, and find a similar discussion. snip Some would call it trolling! I have a long established internet presence, That's a hoot!!! How so? You have made me snort my "gin and tonic" on more than one occasion. But then so does Bart Simpson, and though he has an establised presense on TV, I would not call him a great actor! And some would still call it trolling! snip A rudder may not be as efficient as just leaning into a turn, but is more convienent, especially with beamy boats like my Folbot Super and Klepper AEII. Sounds like your boat just doesn't work very well :-/ Works fine, and as designed, with a rudder! Kleppers have been used in trans-Atlantic crossings, has yours? Each design has a specific purpose, and some designs include a rudder. The rudder is not inheritantly bad, as you have indicated. I'd be rather terrifed crossing the Atlantic in a boat that won't work if the rudder malfunctions! I would be terrified of crossing the Atlantic in any kayak, especially one where all you could do was set for 57 days. Again a matter of design. My Klepper is a pre-'60 model, making it at least 45 years old, and the rudder is still working just fine. Where will your polyboat be 45 years from now, with or without a rudder? By the way, though I would be terrified, I also think it would be a grand adventure, if I were younger, and innocent! So saving gas is not so much the issue as comfort and convienence, and the macho illusion of using a standard transmission. Macho illusion? You mean there's no women that prefer driving standard? Heh. I know quite a few. I am not surprised that you would know quite a few! You don't know any? I have known a few, but now I am content with just my SO! She paddles rudderless, but then that is how her kayak was designed. Just let me paddle! Uh. Who is stopping you? Old Man Winter! Ah. snip I have no idea what you are talking about. But as stated, if you wish to ask a question that relates to the title of the thread, just ask it. Your incessant off-topic blather is not necessary. On Sept 24th at 8:00 am, of this thread, Bits ask you a question about your resume, KMAN would you be open to sharing your kayaking resume so I can better judge how to process you input and comments on this thread? .. . To which you gave your usual impertinent response, on Sept 24th at 9:17 am. Well, I ain't no Paul Caffyn. But you don't need to circumnavigate the freakin' plant to understand that a rudder is a recreational appendage, unecessary to accurate and efficient paddling. Bits resplied back, on Sept 24th at 7:24 am., Ah, a simple no would have been sufficient! No need to apologize to me with regard to your experience level. Thank you for your response. I love this community! Apparently you have no credentials for your blather about not using a rudder other than your thoughtful blowhard! As far as I can see, Bits has not chosen to continue a dialog with you. I expect that he understands now the basis of your buffoonery about the use of rudders and your experience level, and the expected lack of content of your replies! I have observed this phenomenum in other threads and NG, with the resulting response to your post! I don't recall this "Bits" exchange (and certainly don't attach importance to it) but apparently you are rather fascinated with it (and me) for some bizarre cyberstalking reason. The fact that I did not choose to share with "Bits" my paddling background does not mean that I do not have one, nor is it relevant to the many points made about the use of rudders by myself and others. For "expert" opinion you may - as you clearly know how to do - google on experts and kayaking and rudders. I could tell you I've paddled the full length of the Niagara River in both directions and also circumnavigated Newfoundland and therefore have unique knowledge as to the efficacy of rudders, if that will help you move beyond your concerns about experience and simply examine the arguments. Now would that not have been just as easy to say at the time Bits ask his question, as to be impertinent and rude! I thought from his question, that he was sincerely interested in your background, and would have gone on to have a constructive conversation with you. I have read some of the paddling exploits of your friend Keenan, but not all have that resourse. Regarding the facination with you, it has more to do with your personality than your person. You probably have much to offer in experiences as you demonstrate above, so why so impertinent? As a sailor, I drift the way the wind blows! If I drift OT, there is probably a blowhard somewhere upwind! I usually try not to drift, but to sail upwind if possible! Geezus, this from the king of the blowhards. You are largely incapable of a concise statement of any kind. Not incapable, just getting some all stirred up! "The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails." I am learning to adjust my sails! Try giving your head a shake. If that is your cure, that probably explains a lot, since you have surely had to apply the remedy to yourself on many occasions! snip buffoonery! OvG You generate a lot of it, certainly. How would you know how much I generate unless you have been doing some CS yourself. However there are many times I lurk, that you would not feel the slightest breeze! I do not feel a compulsion to post where ever my monitor lights up. One thing about hoot owls, is that they fly very quietly, and their prey only knows about their presense when it is to late! OvO |
add a rudder to a kayak?
in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at
wrote on 12/4/05 11:31 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:18:17 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 8:18 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:57:57 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 6:07 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:50:28 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip the thread, which is supposedly your primary concern. And what is your primary concern? In this thread? I'd say it is to ensure that some innocent newbie doesn't get the idea that they don't need to learn how to paddle since their kayak has a rudder. An admirable concern! Thanks. snip blather and potential invitation to join some sort of cult The thread was not about newbies using rudders It's been about many things, including the above. but about rudder use in general, and even by experienced paddlers on difficult circumnavigations. I believe there was discussion of one experienced paddler who uses a rudder almost all of the time, yes. You seemed to be in opposition to many experienced paddlers even here on the RBP, who were willing to recognize that they have their place. I would disagree. Most experienced paddlers (here and everywhere) will offer the opinion that a rudder is mostly used to compensate for poor technique and/or a poor boat. I have a long established internet presence, That's a hoot!!! How so? You have made me snort my "gin and tonic" on more than one occasion. But then so does Bart Simpson, and though he has an establised presense on TV, I would not call him a great actor! And some would still call it trolling! What on earth are you talking about now? A rudder may not be as efficient as just leaning into a turn, but is more convienent, especially with beamy boats like my Folbot Super and Klepper AEII. Sounds like your boat just doesn't work very well :-/ Works fine, and as designed, with a rudder! Kleppers have been used in trans-Atlantic crossings, has yours? Each design has a specific purpose, and some designs include a rudder. The rudder is not inheritantly bad, as you have indicated. I'd be rather terrifed crossing the Atlantic in a boat that won't work if the rudder malfunctions! I would be terrified of crossing the Atlantic in any kayak, especially one where all you could do was set for 57 days. Again a matter of design. My Klepper is a pre-'60 model, making it at least 45 years old, and the rudder is still working just fine. Where will your polyboat be 45 years from now, with or without a rudder? By the way, though I would be terrified, I also think it would be a grand adventure, if I were younger, and innocent! I think perhaps you missed the point. Hopefully deliberately, as I'd like to think you are more intelligent than you appear to be. The point is that if one must in fact rely on the rudder, one is at risk, not only of the rudder malfunctioning or getting broken (e.g. people who do things like crossing the Atlantic sometimes have to make emergency landings in places that have rocks eh?) or of being in conditions where a rudder is not going to perform well (e.g. with waves that result in the rear of the boat actually being out of the water at times). Thus the idea that a particular paddle craft will only function when the rudder is deployed is rather scary - and indicative of a fool holding the paddle, imo. So saving gas is not so much the issue as comfort and convienence, and the macho illusion of using a standard transmission. Macho illusion? You mean there's no women that prefer driving standard? Heh. I know quite a few. I am not surprised that you would know quite a few! You don't know any? I have known a few, but now I am content with just my SO! She paddles rudderless, but then that is how her kayak was designed. sigh Just let me paddle! Uh. Who is stopping you? Old Man Winter! Ah. snip I have no idea what you are talking about. But as stated, if you wish to ask a question that relates to the title of the thread, just ask it. Your incessant off-topic blather is not necessary. On Sept 24th at 8:00 am, of this thread, Bits ask you a question about your resume, KMAN would you be open to sharing your kayaking resume so I can better judge how to process you input and comments on this thread? .. . To which you gave your usual impertinent response, on Sept 24th at 9:17 am. Well, I ain't no Paul Caffyn. But you don't need to circumnavigate the freakin' plant to understand that a rudder is a recreational appendage, unecessary to accurate and efficient paddling. Bits resplied back, on Sept 24th at 7:24 am., Ah, a simple no would have been sufficient! No need to apologize to me with regard to your experience level. Thank you for your response. I love this community! Apparently you have no credentials for your blather about not using a rudder other than your thoughtful blowhard! As far as I can see, Bits has not chosen to continue a dialog with you. I expect that he understands now the basis of your buffoonery about the use of rudders and your experience level, and the expected lack of content of your replies! I have observed this phenomenum in other threads and NG, with the resulting response to your post! I don't recall this "Bits" exchange (and certainly don't attach importance to it) but apparently you are rather fascinated with it (and me) for some bizarre cyberstalking reason. The fact that I did not choose to share with "Bits" my paddling background does not mean that I do not have one, nor is it relevant to the many points made about the use of rudders by myself and others. For "expert" opinion you may - as you clearly know how to do - google on experts and kayaking and rudders. I could tell you I've paddled the full length of the Niagara River in both directions and also circumnavigated Newfoundland and therefore have unique knowledge as to the efficacy of rudders, if that will help you move beyond your concerns about experience and simply examine the arguments. Now would that not have been just as easy to say at the time Bits ask his question, as to be impertinent and rude! I thought from his question, that he was sincerely interested in your background, and would have gone on to have a constructive conversation with you. It's possible, I really don't know. Regarding the facination with you, it has more to do with your personality than your person. You probably have much to offer in experiences as you demonstrate above, so why so impertinent? Who the hell are you calling impertinent, you vacuous twit! As a sailor, I drift the way the wind blows! If I drift OT, there is probably a blowhard somewhere upwind! I usually try not to drift, but to sail upwind if possible! Geezus, this from the king of the blowhards. You are largely incapable of a concise statement of any kind. Not incapable, just getting some all stirred up! Something about you is clearly not stirred up quite right! "The pessimist complains about the wind, the optimist expects it to change, the realist adjusts the sails." I am learning to adjust my sails! Try giving your head a shake. If that is your cure At this point you should be willing to try anything! snip buffoonery! OvG You generate a lot of it, certainly. How would you know how much I generate unless you have been doing some CS yourself. Are you kidding?!?! Today's posts alone are enough! However there are many times I lurk, that you would not feel the slightest breeze! I do not feel a compulsion to post where ever my monitor lights up. Praise almighty God and Allah and every other deity and divinity for that! One thing about hoot owls, is that they fly very quietly, and their prey only knows about their presense when it is to late! OvO I picture you more as a dumbo (the flying elephant) than a hoot owl. Although perhaps a dumbo that hoots is an even better fit. |
add a rudder to a kayak?
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:53:21 -0500, KMAN wrote:
in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 11:31 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:18:17 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 8:18 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:57:57 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 6:07 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:50:28 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip snip The point is that if one must in fact rely on the rudder, one is at risk, not only of the rudder malfunctioning or getting broken (e.g. people who do things like crossing the Atlantic sometimes have to make emergency landings in places that have rocks eh?) or of being in conditions where a rudder is not going to perform well (e.g. with waves that result in the rear of the boat actually being out of the water at times). I did not say that my Folbot or Klepper cannot be paddled without the rudder, just that it is easier with, and certainly when sailing. Though I did find out one day, having forgotten to deploy the rudder, that you can sort of even sail without a rudder. You just spend more time going sideways when you try to turn. As far as being at risk, on a transAtlantic crossing, every moment would be fraught with risk, though once away from land, a rough landing would be the least of my concerns. I read of one kayaker who became the play toy of a lonely Orca who pushed him around for a couple of days until it got tired of the game. To say nothing of big storm waves, cold, wet, etc. Maybe we should start a thread warning all the newbies of the dangers of a transAtlantic crossing, inorder to save those that might venture out! I expect that rudders would not be high on the list! Thus the idea that a particular paddle craft will only function when the rudder is deployed is rather scary - and indicative of a fool holding the paddle, imo. Again you are correct, that if a particular paddle craft will only function when the rudder is deployed, that would be a scary scenario! I know of no such kayaks that will only function with the rudder deployed though. Maybe you could make a list, of such kayaks, and we could warn the newbies to stay away from them! Note I did not say function efficiently! I expect that I could take any kayak you come up with, and match it with an expert paddler, who could make it stand up and be counted. Granted some newbie may have their hands full, and be in some difficulty. But that would more than likely be the case with a well balanced, finely tuned kayak in the hands of a newbie as well, rudder or no rudder. snip Now would that not have been just as easy to say at the time Bits ask his question, as to be impertinent and rude! I thought from his question, that he was sincerely interested in your background, and would have gone on to have a constructive conversation with you. It's possible, I really don't know. Regarding the facination with you, it has more to do with your personality than your person. You probably have much to offer in experiences as you demonstrate above, so why so impertinent? Who the hell are you calling impertinent, you vacuous twit! I called you impertinent and rude, which I thought I made quite clear! There was nothing vacuous about it. snip At this point you should be willing to try anything! I am, I am trying to carry on a conversation with you! snip buffoonery! OvG You generate a lot of it, certainly. How would you know how much I generate unless you have been doing some CS yourself. Are you kidding?!?! Today's posts alone are enough! I have only posted to your queries, directed to me! Tired of my replies, stop the queries! Feed me bull, I will throw it back at you. Treat me with respect, and you will get respect! However there are many times I lurk, that you would not feel the slightest breeze! I do not feel a compulsion to post where ever my monitor lights up. Praise almighty God and Allah and every other deity and divinity for that! You should try it, it feels good from this side too, and I am sure that others would break into the Halleleujah Chorus upon your abstinance! But be careful of praising God, it could be habit forming! One thing about hoot owls, is that they fly very quietly, and their prey only knows about their presense when it is to late! OvO I picture you more as a dumbo (the flying elephant) than a hoot owl. Although perhaps a dumbo that hoots is an even better fit. And I picture you as King Kong, crashing around, with no real understanding of the big city life, but beating his chest, and screaming his fears, to intimidate those whom he is willing to crush --- King Kong Kman! RkyMtnHootOwl zvz |
add a rudder to a kayak?
"Rick Donnelly" wrote in message . net... ...stuff deleted Oh God, this old saw again. LOL Shortly after the last round of this argument, a good friend and fellow kayaker came to visit me here in Hawaii. He has spent lots of time on the water, the inland water, kayaking. He's a big, strong guy like me, but has very strong opinions against rudders: "if you know how to paddle, you don't need one." We are all entitled to our opinion. I have paddled plenty of miles before I first used a rudder. Now all my kayaks that can support a rudder have a rudder. And when I hear someone say: "if you know how to paddled..." I just smile. So I took my bud out on the open ocean. The first day was "kona:" no winds. He did fine and really enjoyed surfing the swells. The second day the Trade Winds were back and blowing a good 25 mph. Plus, there was a 4 ft swell from the NE. As I rigged the boats, my buddy insisted that I remove the rudder peddles on his boat because: "they get in the way." I pointed out that with conditions the way they were, his decision would be final. It would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to re-install the peddles while at sea. We headed out into the wind and he did fine for the first leg of the journey. It wasn't until we turned and put the wind at our left back-quadrant that his problems began. And did he have problems. For lunch, we hauled up on an islet. He complained about his ability to track and that his one arm was exhausted. I offered to re-install the rudder peddles and told him that if he ever felt in trouble, just holler, and I'd throw him a line but I knew his ego would never allow either. For the last leg of the trip, the wind was off the back right. My buddy struggled the whole way back to keep his boat from turning sideways in the troughs. As we pulled up at the launch, he complained of his now sore other arm and made this confession: "Maybe I'm going to have to re-think this whole rudder thing." LOL |
add a rudder to a kayak?
RkyMtnHootOwl wrote: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:53:21 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 11:31 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 21:18:17 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 8:18 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:57:57 -0500, KMAN wrote: in article , RkyMtnHootOwl at wrote on 12/4/05 6:07 PM: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:50:28 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip snip The point is that if one must in fact rely on the rudder, one is at risk, not only of the rudder malfunctioning or getting broken (e.g. people who do things like crossing the Atlantic sometimes have to make emergency landings in places that have rocks eh?) or of being in conditions where a rudder is not going to perform well (e.g. with waves that result in the rear of the boat actually being out of the water at times). I did not say that my Folbot or Klepper cannot be paddled without the rudder, just that it is easier with, and certainly when sailing. If you don't need to rely on the rudder to paddle effectively in any conditions, then there's no problem. If you do, imo that is a problem. Who the hell are you calling impertinent, you vacuous twit! I called you impertinent and rude, which I thought I made quite clear! There was nothing vacuous about it. You're right. You were only being a twit. At this point you should be willing to try anything! I am, I am trying to carry on a conversation with you! Agh. Why me!?!? snip buffoonery! OvG You generate a lot of it, certainly. How would you know how much I generate unless you have been doing some CS yourself. Are you kidding?!?! Today's posts alone are enough! I have only posted to your queries, directed to me! Did I say otherwise? Tired of my replies, stop the queries! If I don't want to reply, I certainly won't. Feed me bull, I will throw it back at you. I've yet to see much of anything else from you, regardless of your target. Treat me with respect, and you will get respect! I'm not concerned about this. Or any of the above. I have no idea why you are rambling on about all of it, but then, that's what you do. However there are many times I lurk, that you would not feel the slightest breeze! I do not feel a compulsion to post where ever my monitor lights up. Praise almighty God and Allah and every other deity and divinity for that! You should try it, it feels good from this side too, and I am sure that others would break into the Halleleujah Chorus upon your abstinance! But be careful of praising God, it could be habit forming! I'm going to pray to God and Allah and all the rest to turn you into a coherent communicator, and if it happens, I'm converting to every religion on earth. One thing about hoot owls, is that they fly very quietly, and their prey only knows about their presense when it is to late! OvO I picture you more as a dumbo (the flying elephant) than a hoot owl. Although perhaps a dumbo that hoots is an even better fit. And I picture you as King Kong, crashing around, with no real understanding of the big city life 1) What is the relevance of my ability to understand big city life? 2) What is the source of your opinion about my understanding of big city life? but beating his chest, and screaming his fears What would the fears be? to intimidate those whom he is willing to crush --- King Kong Kman! I'd prefer not to be the KKK if you please :-/ RkyMtnHootOwl zvz |
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On 5 Dec 2005 08:30:14 -0800, KMAN wrote:
RkyMtnHootOwl wrote: On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:53:21 -0500, KMAN wrote: snip At this point you should be willing to try anything! I am, I am trying to carry on a conversation with you! Agh. Why me!?!? Because it is such a hoot!!! snip I'm not concerned about this. Or any of the above. I have no idea why you are rambling on about all of it, but then, that's what you do. Still takes two to Tango! snip I'm going to pray to God and Allah and all the rest to turn you into a coherent communicator, and if it happens, I'm converting to every religion on earth. Where do I sign you up? snip And I picture you as King Kong, crashing around, with no real understanding of the big city life 1) What is the relevance of my ability to understand big city life? King Kong, understood the Jungle and how to get along with his neighbors, but when brought to the city, he just crashed around, breaking things, because he did not understand the urban jungle. 2) What is the source of your opinion about my understanding of big city life? All the crashing around! but beating his chest, and screaming his fears What would the fears be? You tell us! What are you afraid of? to intimidate those whom he is willing to crush --- King Kong Kman! I'd prefer not to be the KKK if you please :-/ RkyMtnHootOwl zvz Yes, I thought that had a nice fit to it, K-K-Kman, the man of mystery, hiding under his bedsheets! And you are getting quicker on the pick up, so there still may be hope for you! How are you coming on that list of dangerous Kayaks, and places not to go if you are a newbie? RkyMtnHootOwl OvG |
add a rudder to a kayak?
RkyMtnHootOwl wrote: On 5 Dec 2005 08:30:14 -0800, KMAN wrote: I'm not concerned about this. Or any of the above. I have no idea why you are rambling on about all of it, but then, that's what you do. Still takes two to Tango! Again, no idea how this comment relates to what is being discussed. snip I'm going to pray to God and Allah and all the rest to turn you into a coherent communicator, and if it happens, I'm converting to every religion on earth. Where do I sign you up? I'll sign myself up. But judging by your Tango comment above, I don't think I'll be converting anytime soon. And I picture you as King Kong, crashing around, with no real understanding of the big city life 1) What is the relevance of my ability to understand big city life? King Kong, understood the Jungle and how to get along with his neighbors, but when brought to the city, he just crashed around, breaking things, because he did not understand the urban jungle. Hm. I'm not sure that's exactly the message of the movie. but beating his chest, and screaming his fears What would the fears be? You tell us! What are you afraid of? Religious fundamentalism, mostly. Why? to intimidate those whom he is willing to crush --- King Kong Kman! I'd prefer not to be the KKK if you please :-/ RkyMtnHootOwl zvz Yes, I thought that had a nice fit to it, K-K-Kman, the man of mystery, hiding under his bedsheets! And you are getting quicker on the pick up, so there still may be hope for you! How are you coming on that list of dangerous Kayaks Just yours, so far. and places not to go if you are a newbie? Avoid Niagara Falls. |
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