On 23 Aug 2005 11:18:26 -0700, wrote:


Bill McKee wrote:

Prius on a good day makes 45 mpg. That is nice, but the only ones who are
beating the 45 mpg max are the "hot rodders" who are stuffing more batteries
in and adding the "plug in hybrid" capability. Long highway trip, you will
get about 30 on a hybrid. Very little braking, slowing down, etc that is
recovered as stored energy. The around town and short stop and go trips are
the most efficient use. The plug in modifiers get the advantage of the
extra battery capacity and plug in to the house charging. Up until a couple
of years ago, that voided the hybrids warrantee.

As usual, dead wrong again!!! See he
http://randyrathbun.org/prius/prius_mileage/

Then this:

After driving Diesel Volkswagens for 25 years, we have moved into a new
era. We are now driving a 2002 Toyota Prius hybrid car. So far, we
can report that driving the Prius is remarkable for being so
unremarkable -- it feels very much like any other Toyota with an
automatic transmission, only better because the transmission is in
effect continuously variable. A computerized control system moves
energy between the gasoline engine, the electric motors, the battery,
and the wheels; if it weren't for the readout on the dash, we probably
wouldn't notice most of the optimizations that it performs.



Toyota Prius dash and shift lever
Toyota Prius mileage computer

Especially in winter driving, we found that mileage is much better once
the engine is warmed up; the warmup is much faster when temperatures
are higher. In the pictures above, we had just completed a trip of
about 35 minutes duration in 55 degree weather (clicking on either
picture will display a larger version). The mileage was relatively
poor in the first 10 minutes (the first five are not shown), then
steadily improved during highway driving to more than 50 mpg. The
final 10 minutes show very high efficiency in low-speed driving, when
the Prius can shut off its gasoline engine much of the time and operate
silently in electric mode using stored energy from the battery. For
this reason, city mileage really is often better than highway mileage.

And this that shows an average of 48.2 mpg:
http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/m.../car/1089.html

And this, showing virtually the same mileage:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/16705.shtml

Well, if posting all these URL's is supportive of your position, perhaps you
could post the URL for your Guzzi "Desmo" site!

The big question is, "How many words did you change in your cut'n'paste?"

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

It's probably one of the few things driving sales of those vehicles. Bush
would be spanked by Detroit's lobbyists if he didn't veto a bill which
eliminated the tax incentive.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Paul,
One of the problems with Hummers is there is a tax incentive for small
businessmen to buy a Hummer for the tax write off. This should be
corrected.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a
car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them. That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb ****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

John,
My guess is he only changed 3 words in his Guzzi "Desmo cut and paste. Like
Harry when caught he pretends he doesn't read the posts. Maybe you are in
his "bozo bin". ; )




"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On 23 Aug 2005 11:18:26 -0700, wrote:


Bill McKee wrote:

Prius on a good day makes 45 mpg. That is nice, but the only ones who
are
beating the 45 mpg max are the "hot rodders" who are stuffing more
batteries
in and adding the "plug in hybrid" capability. Long highway trip, you
will
get about 30 on a hybrid. Very little braking, slowing down, etc that
is
recovered as stored energy. The around town and short stop and go trips
are
the most efficient use. The plug in modifiers get the advantage of the
extra battery capacity and plug in to the house charging. Up until a
couple
of years ago, that voided the hybrids warrantee.

As usual, dead wrong again!!! See he
http://randyrathbun.org/prius/prius_mileage/

Then this:

After driving Diesel Volkswagens for 25 years, we have moved into a new
era. We are now driving a 2002 Toyota Prius hybrid car. So far, we
can report that driving the Prius is remarkable for being so
unremarkable -- it feels very much like any other Toyota with an
automatic transmission, only better because the transmission is in
effect continuously variable. A computerized control system moves
energy between the gasoline engine, the electric motors, the battery,
and the wheels; if it weren't for the readout on the dash, we probably
wouldn't notice most of the optimizations that it performs.



Toyota Prius dash and shift lever
Toyota Prius mileage computer

Especially in winter driving, we found that mileage is much better once
the engine is warmed up; the warmup is much faster when temperatures
are higher. In the pictures above, we had just completed a trip of
about 35 minutes duration in 55 degree weather (clicking on either
picture will display a larger version). The mileage was relatively
poor in the first 10 minutes (the first five are not shown), then
steadily improved during highway driving to more than 50 mpg. The
final 10 minutes show very high efficiency in low-speed driving, when
the Prius can shut off its gasoline engine much of the time and operate
silently in electric mode using stored energy from the battery. For
this reason, city mileage really is often better than highway mileage.

And this that shows an average of 48.2 mpg:
http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/m.../car/1089.html

And this, showing virtually the same mileage:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/16705.shtml

Well, if posting all these URL's is supportive of your position, perhaps
you
could post the URL for your Guzzi "Desmo" site!

The big question is, "How many words did you change in your cut'n'paste?"

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Doug,
Yes he should have. Now why didn't Clinton veto the tax write off when he
was in office. They both should be hung by their thumbs.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's probably one of the few things driving sales of those vehicles. Bush
would be spanked by Detroit's lobbyists if he didn't veto a bill which
eliminated the tax incentive.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Paul,
One of the problems with Hummers is there is a tax incentive for small
businessmen to buy a Hummer for the tax write off. This should be
corrected.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a
car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them. That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb ****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:20:55 -0400, "Juan Valdez"
wrote:

John,
My guess is he only changed 3 words in his Guzzi "Desmo cut and paste. Like
Harry when caught he pretends he doesn't read the posts. Maybe you are in
his "bozo bin". ; )


Actually I think he added a line. But you're right, he'll never admit his
'error'.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

I have no idea. I wasn't aware of the tax situation back then.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
Yes he should have. Now why didn't Clinton veto the tax write off when he
was in office. They both should be hung by their thumbs.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's probably one of the few things driving sales of those vehicles. Bush
would be spanked by Detroit's lobbyists if he didn't veto a bill which
eliminated the tax incentive.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Paul,
One of the problems with Hummers is there is a tax incentive for small
businessmen to buy a Hummer for the tax write off. This should be
corrected.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing a
car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them.
That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods
and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb
****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint
dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Doug,
My guess is the reason you didn't "hear" about it was because it was your
guy who was allowing the tax incentive. It has been a silly counter
productive tax incentive for many years before Bush became president. Now
that Bush has not overturned the tax incentive, it makes for good political
fodder.

If you really want to make improvements in our system, you need to be just
as critical when it is your guy in office.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I have no idea. I wasn't aware of the tax situation back then.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
Yes he should have. Now why didn't Clinton veto the tax write off when
he was in office. They both should be hung by their thumbs.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's probably one of the few things driving sales of those vehicles.
Bush would be spanked by Detroit's lobbyists if he didn't veto a bill
which eliminated the tax incentive.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Paul,
One of the problems with Hummers is there is a tax incentive for small
businessmen to buy a Hummer for the tax write off. This should be
corrected.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing
a car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them.
That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods
and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb
****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint
dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Wow. So...if I approve of a politician, I become blind when I read the
newspaper? This is amazing.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
My guess is the reason you didn't "hear" about it was because it was your
guy who was allowing the tax incentive. It has been a silly counter
productive tax incentive for many years before Bush became president. Now
that Bush has not overturned the tax incentive, it makes for good
political fodder.

If you really want to make improvements in our system, you need to be just
as critical when it is your guy in office.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I have no idea. I wasn't aware of the tax situation back then.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
Yes he should have. Now why didn't Clinton veto the tax write off when
he was in office. They both should be hung by their thumbs.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's probably one of the few things driving sales of those vehicles.
Bush would be spanked by Detroit's lobbyists if he didn't veto a bill
which eliminated the tax incentive.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Paul,
One of the problems with Hummers is there is a tax incentive for small
businessmen to buy a Hummer for the tax write off. This should be
corrected.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop, browsing
a car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought
by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them.
That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods
and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb
****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint
dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

wrote in message
ups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
Regular grade gasoline was $3.05 a gallon yesterday at several docks in
Annapolis. Diesel was $2.61 to $2.65.

Thanks, Dubya.


It's a real stretch to try to blame George Bush for five decades of
over consumption, five decades of refusal to seriously pursue
alternative energy sources, five decades of ass-kissing BIG OIL and THE
BIG THREE automakers.

Amen Chuck. I am so tired of hearing the left blaming Bush for this.

Doug,
Yes, if you did not know about the tax loophole when Clinton was in office,
then you were blind. It was discussed for years before Bush took office.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Wow. So...if I approve of a politician, I become blind when I read the
newspaper? This is amazing.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
My guess is the reason you didn't "hear" about it was because it was your
guy who was allowing the tax incentive. It has been a silly counter
productive tax incentive for many years before Bush became president.
Now that Bush has not overturned the tax incentive, it makes for good
political fodder.

If you really want to make improvements in our system, you need to be
just as critical when it is your guy in office.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I have no idea. I wasn't aware of the tax situation back then.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Doug,
Yes he should have. Now why didn't Clinton veto the tax write off when
he was in office. They both should be hung by their thumbs.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's probably one of the few things driving sales of those vehicles.
Bush would be spanked by Detroit's lobbyists if he didn't veto a bill
which eliminated the tax incentive.

"Juan Valdez" wrote in message
...
Paul,
One of the problems with Hummers is there is a tax incentive for
small businessmen to buy a Hummer for the tax write off. This should
be corrected.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"PocoLoco" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:52:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

Speaking of status symbols, I was just at the barber shop,
browsing a car
magazine. Lincoln's selling what they call a "luxury pickup
truck".
Someone
ought to be shot for that. You *know* they're not going to bought
by
bricklayers & carpenters who are gonna beat the crap out of them.
That
leaves.....well...you know who.

You've never taken your Cadillac Escalade offroading into the woods
and
swamps?
Why pay 22,000 for an F150 when you can pay 40,000 for the Lincoln
pickup?

In this case, we are in total agreement. But look at all the dumb
****s
that
bought Hummers. I wonder how many have ever left the pavement.

But it is THEIR choice.......I hope you don't prefer the guvmint
dictate
what they buy.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD