You could not crosspost on a web based forum, it is not part of UseNet, it
is all local on the web site.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but
moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off.
The
group would have control, not just one person.

You might have good luck with an approach where your new site would have a
moderator "election" at various intervals.
They might be as frequent as every 120 days.

This would allow a moderator who discovers he or she has bitten off a
larger
bite than is easily chewed to opt out, gracefully, after a short period of
time.

The approach would keep small groups of people from leaving the site
because
they couldn't stand the moderator (we all know of sites like that), as
nobody
would feel "stuck" with a moderator for an indfinite period of time.

A moderator who wanted to continue could stand for reelection, and if the
majority of the group wanted him or her to remain in the post that would
settle
the question.

Would it be more difficult to cross post from the political groups to your
new
site?
A lot of the political threads in rec.boats start off as mass cross
postings to
or from political sites- with the trolling author then checking a long
list of
sites to see if he or she got any bites.

Lee, it is a great idea, the problem with web based groups is you have to
promote and/or advertise the group to get a group of regulars. It is not
quite as easy as sorting out UseNet groups for things you are interested in.

The advantage is obvious, you would have a group discussing boats, without
all of the name calling and OT political crap. It might make sense to use
rec.boats for the flame wars and OT discussions. Those who want a true
boating forum could add a sig file on the bottom of their posts promoting
your true boating forum.


"Lee Yeaton" wrote in message
...
"QLW" wrote in message
...
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a
boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are
good
but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not
have
to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here.
I
can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how
is
a
new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit
the
content to boating related topics.
Quinton

I know I'll get slammed for this but.....

Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on
Usenet we could do it on the Internet.

I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name,
it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free
message board software. You can see the software on my other site
chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some
people
to donate their time to moderate.

Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but
moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off.
The
group would have control, not just one person.

I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we
can
get the people to donate some time and to participate.

Ok, let me have it......

- - - - -
Lee Yeaton
www.thebayguide.com

the boats of rec.boats
www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Laughed when I came across this.
The same guy has trolled through here.

Offensive intruder poisons chat lines

12.01.2001
By MICHAEL FOREMAN
Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from taking
part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of "flaming" seen
in this country.

A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local Usenet
newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake photographs
of a topless Queen Mother.

If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and abusing
everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them out or call the
police.

But neither of these remedies is available to the newsgroup users, who are
desperate to rid themselves of what is known on the internet as a "troll."

Trolls get their kicks from baiting other people using online discussion
forums.

"Bertie the Bunyip" is believed to be a commercial pilot living in the United
States.

He claims to have been similarly hounding newsgroups in the United States for
three years, despite complaints to the FBI and a libel action against him.

After local users unwisely responded to his taunts, the Bunyip's replies soon
spread to the nz.comp and nz.politics newsgroups.

New Zealand politicians - including some ministers - are believed to use the
politics group.

In the past few days, the American has paralysed the most popular of the local
forums, nz.general, which is read by up to 50,000 people.

Bunyip's antics have prompted some users to stop using the newsgroups.

Bunyip changes his identity characteristics every 30 or 40 posts, so it is
difficult to check him using e-mail or newsreader software blocked senders'
lists.

David Farrar, a newsgroup user and information technology adviser to National
Party leader Jenny Shipley, described the "flame" war as the worst outbreak of
its kind he had seen on New Zealand discussion groups.

Applying sanctions against Usenet users could be extremely difficult, said Mr
Farrar.

Bunyip has been using a Seattle-based newsgroup service called Altopia, which
has a liberal policy on what it will allow.

"One of the problems of newsgroups is that they are about as close to anarchy
as anything can get," he said.

"If you get a person going rogue, as this Bertie the Bunyip has, you would
normally complain to their internet service provider.

"Unless it is causing actual harm, they don't see it as their job to police
it."

Xtra systems support specialist Richard Stevenson said he could easily filter
the messages from Xtra's news server - one of several providing Usenet feeds in
New Zealand.

But he would not decide to do so himself.

Mr Stevenson said he had not yet had to remove individual posts but had
occasionally, at the request of the Department of Internal Affairs, blocked
newsgroups that were related to child pornography.

He was not concerned about Bunyip's rights to freedom of speech.

"He's got to get it into his skull that [news servers] are private property."

Mr Farrar believed that if Bunyip persisted for more than a couple of weeks,
local internet service providers might agree to remove him from New Zealand
servers.

But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if ignored.

Gould 0738 wrote:

Laughed when I came across this.
The same guy has trolled through here.

Offensive intruder poisons chat lines

12.01.2001
By MICHAEL FOREMAN
Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from taking
part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of "flaming" seen
in this country.

A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local Usenet
newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake photographs
of a topless Queen Mother.


Ahhh...Karen Elizabeth Smith's altered ego? No, not the topless queen
mother.


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:27:38 -0500, "Lee Yeaton"
wrote:

"QLW" wrote in message
...
It's plainly obvious that this newsgroup has become almost useless as a
boating forum. Rec.cruising, rec.boats.building and alt.sailing are good
but there is also a need for a general boating forum where one does not
have
to wade through all of the political crap and in-fighting posted here. I
can't figure out why people insist on doing this...but they do! So how is
a
new news group formed? To bad we can't make this one moderated to limit
the
content to boating related topics.
Quinton

I know I'll get slammed for this but.....

Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on
Usenet we could do it on the Internet.

I can get some free server space for a year and I'll buy the domain name,
it's $20.00 so it's not a lot of money. I also know where to get free
message board software. You can see the software on my other site
chesapeakeforums.com. All we would need is a list of topics and some people
to donate their time to moderate.

Think of it like a boatered but not moderated by a business owner, but
moderated by us. If a moderator gets out of line we can vote him off. The
group would have control, not just one person.

I am sure I left out a bunch of details but I think this is doable if we can
get the people to donate some time and to participate.

Ok, let me have it......

Just a word of friendly advice from a former, long term, moderator.

It ain't that easy to moderate a newsgroup - it's time, time and more
time then add some time on top of the time you've alread spent to the
time - the net result being ****ing all the NG participants off at one
point or another, wading through the complaints about your moderation
efforts and nobody really gives a damn anyway.

It's not easy, you have to have a thick skin, you have to be able to
stick to the rules (which is a lot harder than you might think it is
because there are always going to be three or four NG "lawyers" who
interpret things in ways you would never have thought of) and it's
hard maintain a core group of moderators who all work the same way and
have the same outlook on life, the universe and everything.

In short, it is very, very difficult even with well-intentioned
invididuals who really, really want to make the scheme work well.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but that's the way it works.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jan 2004 01:42:00 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

snips

Gould has hit on the sticking point.... Your investment in $$$ is
*MUCH* less than your investment in time is going to be. By that, I
mean that it just won't work if you don't act as moderator. That I
not be considered a censorship Nazi, I would suggest that you have at
least two areas. One for boating content and another for general
topics (read that, flames and OT political bovine scatology). Rather
than censor the offending person, just move the offensive post to the
"other" category and allow those enamored of hurling feces to have at
it in their own private domain.

Again, consider this well, as it *WILL* be a significant commitment of
time and effort.


There could be many different categories for discussion. The software I use
for my message board is almost limitless. Of course I would have an O.T.
area.

I sure wouldn't attempt this myself. I would set it up but there would have
to be other people to help moderate it. I could monitor one category but
others would need to help. All these people wanting a new group could help
vote in some moderators. If people want a good boating group they can help
make one.

I do enough on the Internet now with all my sites that this would not be an
inconvenience.

- - - - -
Lee Yeaton
www.thebayguide.com

the boats of rec.boats
www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:%gIMb.38687$xy6.98464@attbi_s02...
Lee, it is a great idea, the problem with web based groups is you have to
promote and/or advertise the group to get a group of regulars. It is not
quite as easy as sorting out UseNet groups for things you are interested
in.
The advantage is obvious, you would have a group discussing boats, without
all of the name calling and OT political crap. It might make sense to use
rec.boats for the flame wars and OT discussions. Those who want a true
boating forum could add a sig file on the bottom of their posts promoting
your true boating forum.

Marketing the site would be necessary. But most people can use Google
easily enough. Once your there your almost everywhere. Plus, I market my
site all the time it wouldn't be that much trouble to add another URL to my
workload.

- - - - -
Lee Yeaton
www.thebayguide.com

the boats of rec.boats
www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

"QLW" wrote in message
...
I like UseNet because it is easily found by new boaters or those that
haven't use the net before.
Quinton

Usenet is great. But, most people I know have no idea it even exists. But,
they do know how to use the web and can do a Google. I've tried to get
other boaters I know into rec.boats but there not interested in downloading
messages, posting and dealing with O.T. stuff. I've told them to click on
the Groups tab in Google but they just don't like the format there. IMHO,
The web would be easier for newbies.

- - - - -
Lee Yeaton
www.thebayguide.com

the boats of rec.boats
www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

Just a word of friendly advice from a former, long term, moderator.

It ain't that easy to moderate a newsgroup - it's time, time and more
time then add some time on top of the time you've alread spent to the
time - the net result being ****ing all the NG participants off at one
point or another, wading through the complaints about your moderation
efforts and nobody really gives a damn anyway.

It's not easy, you have to have a thick skin, you have to be able to
stick to the rules (which is a lot harder than you might think it is
because there are always going to be three or four NG "lawyers" who
interpret things in ways you would never have thought of) and it's
hard maintain a core group of moderators who all work the same way and
have the same outlook on life, the universe and everything.

In short, it is very, very difficult even with well-intentioned
invididuals who really, really want to make the scheme work well.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but that's the way it works.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------
"My rod and my reel - they comfort me."

St. Pete, 12 Lb. Test

I appreciate the warning but I have moderated before and I am doing it now,
it isn't that bad. I have to read the discussions each day, which I do
anyway, and sort through the bad stuff. The group is pretty well behaved.
Occasionally there are some bad apples, but I just got rid of them.

In the past I moderated on a very large Jeep site and there were a lot of
times that I had to consult other mods, but since I was already reading the
boards it wasn't to bad.

- - - - -
Lee Yeaton
www.thebayguide.com

the boats of rec.boats
www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

I started a usenet style NNTP newsgroup for Mercury inline 6 owners about
1.5 years ago. It's hidden away on the claranet server in the UK. It's had
a total of 7382 posts in that time - most all on topic. It's unmoderated,
but I know the sysop at Claranet and if we ever had a problem he'd take care
of it.

-W


"Lee Yeaton" wrote in message
...
"QLW" wrote in message
...
I like UseNet because it is easily found by new boaters or those that
haven't use the net before.
Quinton

Usenet is great. But, most people I know have no idea it even exists.
But,
they do know how to use the web and can do a Google. I've tried to get
other boaters I know into rec.boats but there not interested in
downloading
messages, posting and dealing with O.T. stuff. I've told them to click on
the Groups tab in Google but they just don't like the format there. IMHO,
The web would be easier for newbies.

- - - - -
Lee Yeaton
www.thebayguide.com

the boats of rec.boats
www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats