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No Spam November 24th 04 12:50 AM

Ok - I remember that guy also. When I started reading here sometime last
year, I think RPB was in a cycle of posts from him. Followed by a round from
the other guy. I stopped reading for a while until it died down - I also had
paddling to do, so it was not all their fault ; Thanks for the reply, I
liked your page too, it was very informative.

Ken

"Wilko" wrote in message
...


No Spam wrote:
Ok, now I'm curious. I've been reading here (RBP, not this thread - or

maybe
it is this thread) for quite some time and the name is familiar - was he

the
sponson guy?


Nope, he is a non-paddler land owner who got really angry when paddlers
used "his" part of a little stream in Colorado (Was it Boulder Creek?).
In one such event he described the paddlers calling him (and his
mother?) names.

At first he would lure (new to this forum) paddlers into "discussions"
with carefully worded messages, then he'd verbally kick the **** out of
them. Most of the regular visitors knew to ignore him. Lately, he got
into a sad shadow of his former eloquent self, becoming verbally abusive
and badly worded in his responses. I think he lost his riverside land
not so long ago when his mother died.

The spamson guy was just a completely different pest: he'd post the same
posts hundreds of times, hijacking every thread, attacking people
blindly and using disgusting arguments (the deaths of children on a
paddling trip and such) to try to force paddlers (including white water
paddlers!) and the Coast Guard to sell his floatation devices... Where
Scott used to be pretty bright, spamson guy Timmy was a clear case of
someone with at least one screw loose...

It was because of the latter that I put up the trolling page.

http://wilko.webzone.ru/troll.html

Wilko

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No Spam November 24th 04 12:58 AM

Is there such a thing as a 'foreigner' on the internet?
Linux and Apple users maybe?

Sorry, when I'm not on the water, I sideline as a techie nerd. I couldn't
help myself. - I will also plead insanity as I have not been able to get out
on the water for about 2 months and my brain is beginning to rot.

Ken

"Dave Van" wrote in message
link.net...

"Wilko" wrote in message
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Dave Van wrote:

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...

Hi, my Dutch friend Wilko, and I mean that sincerely.

I took rivermans recommendation, and did some research on some of my
apparent antagonist, and found that you are a well document foreigner.


OMG


ROFLMAO!!!


Is there such a thing as a 'foreigner' on the internet?

If there were an occassional 'yeah, baby' thrown into this guys writing

I'd
swear it was Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery.

Life. Live it, Baby... Yeah!





Tinkerntom November 24th 04 08:38 AM

Hey Wilko,

I'm glad to hear from you again, and I am glad that my last post
brought you so much laughter. Laughter is good for the heart, so you
should be in good shape, at least for awhile. Let me know when you
need some more, and I'll see what I can come up with. When you are
ROTFLMAO, be sure and wear your elbow pads. I would hate to be the
cause of you incurring a carreer ending injury!

I did do some googling on Weiser also, and found that usenet has a
killfile on him, so it appears that he has gone other places, since he
can't get thru here so easily. Also I heard that he no longer has the
ranch, but that could just be one of the urban legends. He worked in
Boulder for the Boulder Camera, and I found some interviews. I'll let
you check them out if your interested, no point jambing things up
here. But I found that he is still posting on some of the other
systems, and hasn't changed his tune.

Before, I came here to the RBP, I had run into Timmy's Sponsons on
some of the other boards, but haven't seem him around recently at all.

Checked them out because I was not really familiar with their
strategy, and some one thought I may be one or the other. Glad to say
I am not, but now Dave Van is comparing me to Austin Powers,
International Man of Mystery,and I am not him either.

As far as you being a foreigner, no offense met! To me in USA, you are
from another country, hense a foreigner. Now if I had said, that you
are strange, I may or may not be right, for there definitly are some
strange ones on the net. I am sure Dave is right though, there are no
foreigners on the internet.


and now just for Dave, .....Life,.... Live it! Yeah ....Baaby! TnT

Tinkerntom November 24th 04 08:45 AM

Only in America could getting accurate confirmation of intelligence before
starting a war be of greater importance than telling the truth about who you
had oral sex with.


Keenan, I think you meant ....Lesser importance .... in order to
maintain the sarcasm. We may not have our facts straight, but at least
you could keep your sarcasm straight!! TnT

Tinkerntom November 24th 04 09:09 AM

Bill, we have a good friend here in town who is a world famous doctor,
and Half of what he makes is paid out for mal-practice insurance. What
is desparately needed is tort-reform. He is a specialist, and the
procedures run over $50,000/ procedure. You can imagine the cost of
the insurance. He could not work the way your dentist did if he wanted
too. Almost 200 employees in his practice, and your right, a large
accounting office to handle the medical claims insurance. Highly
trained people who can handle all the different types of insurance
issues. Like they say, there ain't no free lunch! But then think of
all the jobs that are created. Somebody has to count all that money
down at the insurance company, and the Lawyers are sure happy! all
the way to their bank. He gets sued at least 10 times a year, by some
malcontent gold digger!

And another one for Dave, ..... Yeah, Baaby..!! Live.., Live it! TnT

Thanks Dave, I like that, I'll use it some more!

Tinkerntom November 24th 04 09:39 AM

"No Spam" wrote in message news:mKQod.4765$K36.4509@trndny03...
the Democrats should be able to run yet another dud next time around and

manage a win.

That is my biggest fear, that they will not even try to find the right
person for the job, just somebody that can win and that may very well be
anyone.

As a disclaimer I will state that I am a Republican, but I vote for every
office based on merit not affiliation. I have never voted straight party and
probably never will. I would love to have 2 worthy candidates to choose from
next time but I will not hold my breath. There are a few very worthy
democrats out there, I hope that one of them makes it to the front-runner
this time. I'm sorry but Kerry was not a choice I could make. Of the Dems in
the running this time I kind of liked Lieberman, but since he did not make
it to the front, I am sorry to say I don't know enough about him to say for
sure if I would have voted for him, but from what I do know, I believe I
would have. The primary system just does not seem to be bringing the best
forward and I don't know what might change that, but I'm hoping someone in
the right places knows how and does it. I would love to have the problem of
deciding between 2 candidates that I like next time, instead of figuring out
who I think is the lesser evil

Ken.


Ken, not No Spam? See we're getting on speaking terms, and you were an
R all the time. Like Eddy Murphy said, "You Devil, you" Threw that in
for Dave!

You are right, US politics is based on who can get nearest the center
of the merry-go-round, and the others will get spun off. There is less
and less difference between candidates from a true issue basis. But
that does not mean the candidate wants to be known as a moderate,
since that has come to mean you don't believe in anything. So there is
this turf war going on for a 1% advantage at the center.

So usually it breaks down to who combs his hair a certain way, and
catch phrases, and Madison AVE. marketing. Why would the best come and
want to be put forward, for a not-so-free ride in the washing machine,
we call American poitics, where the wash cycle never ends, escept with
a spin cycle, and then another wash! So we have to either choose the
lesser of two evils, or the better known, and that means the incumbemt
has an advantage, which means He is the lesser at stake choice for
most voters!

Its been fun, outa here for now, Life, Live it! Tinkerntom

Tinkerntom November 24th 04 03:29 PM

Bill here is an example of our tax dollars at work, solving pertinent
health care issues,

http://9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNA...7-c589c01ca7bf

We here in Colorado are going to be so much healthier, at least from
the rampant plague hitting the central high plains, Broken Toe
Syndrome! TnT

Keenan Wellar November 24th 04 04:07 PM


"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...
Only in America could getting accurate confirmation of intelligence
before
starting a war be of greater importance than telling the truth about who
you
had oral sex with.


Keenan, I think you meant ....Lesser importance .... in order to
maintain the sarcasm. We may not have our facts straight, but at least
you could keep your sarcasm straight!! TnT


Er. Thanks. I'm not being sarcastic. It's true. I can't think of any other
country where the sexual habits of the president would be more important
than the waging of war.



Oci-One Kanubi November 24th 04 05:31 PM

Bill Tuthill provided useful information

[which I proceeded to snip]



Bill, you didn't tell him "the rest of the story". Here are two more
columns, for two of the primaary indicators of health care *quality*.
Of the nations cited, the US ranks first in costs, and worst in infant
mortality and longevity

1990 Healthcare Infant Deaths 2000 Life
Expenditures per 1K Live Expectancy
Nation Per Capita [1] Births [2] (years)[3]
================================================== =======
United States $2,566 6.75 77.1
Canada 1,770 4.88 79.4
France 1,532 4.37 78.8
Sweden 1,451 3.42 79.6
Germany 1,486 4.23 77.4
Switzerland 1,633 4.36 79.6
Italy 1,236 6.19 79.0
Norway 1,184 3.87 78.7
Japan 1,171 3.30 80.7
United Kingdom 972 5.28 77.7

[1] http://www.corporatism.netfirms.com/universal.htm
[2] http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/r..._Rate_aall.htm
[2] http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa042000b.htm

Check out Japan: for 45% of our cost they manage to have 50% of our
infant mortality and a 5% greater life expectancy.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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Michael Daly November 24th 04 07:35 PM

On 24-Nov-2004, (Oci-One Kanubi) wrote:

1990 Healthcare Infant Deaths 2000 Life
Expenditures per 1K Live Expectancy
Nation Per Capita [1] Births [2] (years)[3]
================================================== =======
United States $2,566 6.75 77.1


There are several causes of that high infant mortality rate in the US.
One of the most significant is that fact that health care is only
available to those that can afford it. Since low-income women tend
to have higher birth rates than wealthy women, many births don't
come with adequate health care. Pre-natal care is especially lacking
and care in the first year is poor.

Mike


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