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"Michael Daly" ) writes: It demonstrates what a large number of Canadians think of Bush. What else does it have to prove? That a large number of Canadians are not only selfish and greedy but also ignorant, irrefutably proven by the election of socialist governments in Ottawa and Toronto. You can tell by the length of this thread that ice has come early this year. I's been raining and has melted enough ice that I plan to go out if the rain lets up tomorrow afternoon as predicted. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
William R. Watt ) writes: "Michael Daly" ) writes: It demonstrates what a large number of Canadians think of Bush. What else does it have to prove? That a large number of Canadians are not only selfish and greedy but also ignorant, irrefutably proven by the election of socialist governments in Ottawa and Toronto. sorry I ment to type "lying corrupt socialist government" -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
"rick etter" ) writes: As you know, therapy is a socialst threat to democracy. There is no problem that cannot be solved with more guns and/or more jesus! Wasn't it Chairman Mao who said therapy grows out of the muzzle of a gun? Or was it democracy? Or was that President Bush? Anyway I'm sure both of them were right or they wouldn't have done as well as they did. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message m... Hi, my Dutch friend Wilko, and I mean that sincerely. I took rivermans recommendation, and did some research on some of my apparent antagonist, and found that you are a well document foreigner. OMG |
"William R. Watt" wrote in message ... "rick etter" ) writes: As you know, therapy is a socialst threat to democracy. There is no problem that cannot be solved with more guns and/or more jesus! Wasn't it Chairman Mao who said therapy grows out of the muzzle of a gun? Or was it democracy? Or was that President Bush? Anyway I'm sure both of them were right or they wouldn't have done as well as they did. ======================= You know, when you start snipping posts willy-nilly you start looking foolish, since I didn't write the ignorant spew you quoted me as saying. But then, don't let a little dishonest snipping get in your way, eh? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-FreeNet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
Galen Hekhuis wrote in message . ..
On 19 Nov 2004 17:23:43 -0800, (Tinkerntom) wrote: It is the core, that is important, and yet the Dems still don't get it. It was said for months before the election that they were lacking core issues.... But who wasn't listening then? Are you listening now? Can you accept what I say just because I say it, or because it is true fact, the Dems lost!! Sorry to use this post in particular, but it kind of touched on something that seemingly most people are not aware of. I know many pundits and newscasters say so, but according to the US Constitution (which I think is rather binding in this case) the election is NOT over. To be sure, many of the ballots have been cast and counted for the popular vote, but the election is not over until early January, I think it is the 6th when the VP (Cheney) reports the results of the electoral college or something like that. As far as votes that remain to be counted, among those that remain are the absentee ballots from the troops overseas. I find it to be somewhat ironic that many of those who urge that folks "support the troops" are frequently among those who seemingly do not care that the military absentee votes are considered to be insignificant. The most common reason I hear for such disenfranchisement is that it "wouldn't change the outcome anyway." The hell it wouldn't! It might well add to Bush's tally, and make a serious increase in the mandate he claims. On the other hand, it would be rather telling if the troops in the field overwhelmingly didn't vote for Bush. Either way, we won't ever know anything about it unless people insist that their votes, along with every American's vote, is counted. If our troops are dying overseas for (among other things) the right to vote, the very least we can do here is insist that their votes be counted. One thing we can do at home as Americans to ensure that troops (fighting for freedom -- remember?) will not have died in vain is to insist on free and fair elections here. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Guns don't kill people, religions do Hi Galen, I appreciate your reminding us of this point of order. We live in a Constitutional Democratic Republic. Law and Order rules the day. We do not run our country with tanks on the street corner politics, and town square coups. We count votes. Sort of arcane, but it works. I expect that all the votes will be counted, so that all the votes will count, even the absentee votes of the troops. But in considering the current tally, and the remaining to be tallied, even John Kerry conceded that he could not win the election. In conceding, he promotes a smooth continuation of the Democratic process. The electoral college was established to assure this process as well. If all our computers crashed, and all the chads got hung, the process would continue to all of our mutual benefit. Would we be confortable while the wheels creaked and growned under the weight, probably not, but we would survive to vote another day. We do not live in a pure democracy where each vote is applied directly to the tally for electing our President. We have been taught from grade school the virtue of Democracy, and that sells good in public opinion, and POP politics. One of the processes going on in our venue, is the democratic popular vote, but it is only a part of the process. The electoral college was established in a time when instaneous, and simulteously reported results were not possible. Now with all our gadgets, it seems it should be possible, but the reality is that things still don't work out the way they should. So that part of the process is still necessary, and works. I look forward to Jan 6, or 20th, when you give your concession speech, if you want to wait that long. Respectfully, Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it! |
On 20 Nov 2004 14:27:36 -0800, (Tinkerntom) wrote:
Galen Hekhuis wrote in message . .. On 19 Nov 2004 17:23:43 -0800, (Tinkerntom) wrote: It is the core, that is important, and yet the Dems still don't get it. It was said for months before the election that they were lacking core issues.... But who wasn't listening then? Are you listening now? Can you accept what I say just because I say it, or because it is true fact, the Dems lost!! Sorry to use this post in particular, but it kind of touched on something that seemingly most people are not aware of. I know many pundits and newscasters say so, but according to the US Constitution (which I think is rather binding in this case) the election is NOT over. To be sure, many of the ballots have been cast and counted for the popular vote, but the election is not over until early January, I think it is the 6th when the VP (Cheney) reports the results of the electoral college or something like that. As far as votes that remain to be counted, among those that remain are the absentee ballots from the troops overseas. I find it to be somewhat ironic that many of those who urge that folks "support the troops" are frequently among those who seemingly do not care that the military absentee votes are considered to be insignificant. The most common reason I hear for such disenfranchisement is that it "wouldn't change the outcome anyway." The hell it wouldn't! It might well add to Bush's tally, and make a serious increase in the mandate he claims. On the other hand, it would be rather telling if the troops in the field overwhelmingly didn't vote for Bush. Either way, we won't ever know anything about it unless people insist that their votes, along with every American's vote, is counted. If our troops are dying overseas for (among other things) the right to vote, the very least we can do here is insist that their votes be counted. One thing we can do at home as Americans to ensure that troops (fighting for freedom -- remember?) will not have died in vain is to insist on free and fair elections here. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Guns don't kill people, religions do Hi Galen, I appreciate your reminding us of this point of order. We live in a Constitutional Democratic Republic. Law and Order rules the day. We do not run our country with tanks on the street corner politics, and town square coups. We count votes. Sort of arcane, but it works. I expect that all the votes will be counted, so that all the votes will count, even the absentee votes of the troops. But in considering the current tally, and the remaining to be tallied, even John Kerry conceded that he could not win the election. In conceding, he promotes a smooth continuation of the Democratic process. The electoral college was established to assure this process as well. If all our computers crashed, and all the chads got hung, the process would continue to all of our mutual benefit. Would we be confortable while the wheels creaked and growned under the weight, probably not, but we would survive to vote another day. We do not live in a pure democracy where each vote is applied directly to the tally for electing our President. We have been taught from grade school the virtue of Democracy, and that sells good in public opinion, and POP politics. One of the processes going on in our venue, is the democratic popular vote, but it is only a part of the process. The electoral college was established in a time when instaneous, and simulteously reported results were not possible. Now with all our gadgets, it seems it should be possible, but the reality is that things still don't work out the way they should. So that part of the process is still necessary, and works. I look forward to Jan 6, or 20th, when you give your concession speech, if you want to wait that long. I think you might misunderstand. I am not advocating that any results be changed or even overturned. I am not advocating the abolishment of the electoral college or anything like that. What I am trying to convey is that it is critical for this democracy, any democracy, to have fair and accountable election procedures. E-voting machines and tallying machines are extremely susceptible to being hacked. The very least we can do to honor those who died fighting for freedom is to demand that their votes be counted. Not "expect that all the votes will be counted," we should *insist* that they be counted. But there is more that needs to be done. If things continue the way they are, we may wake up one morning with the likes of Zarqwai reported to have most of the electoral votes (courtesy of some hacker with a warped sense of humor) and us with no way to prove absolutely no one voted for him. Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA Guns don't kill people, religions do |
--riverman
* I have this image of a cartoon where three Conservatives are talking, agreeing with each other about how things are and ought to be, and after dozens of "hell, yeah!s" where they all agree, one says "Well, I don't agree with THAT". The other two look at him in stony silence for a second, and say "When did you become a Liberal??" riverman, this is very good. Very funny! My wife and I both laughed. It is said, that Christians are the only army that shoots their own wounded. I have found such to be the case. A few years back I was terribly wounded, and found myself cast off on the roadside by the church. A few good Samaritans came along, and nursed me back to life, but I found few previous church friends that would even say "Hi". I am yet today not active supporting the church on Sunday crowd. Personally I have a better time at the Lake, with some good friends, and we have a great time together. I am not opposed to those who want to go to church on Sunday, that is their decision, just not mine. So please don't lump me into that crowd. I also do not choose to be subject to any particular preacher or religious leader. In fact I can easily use my TnT on them as well, and usually find that for all their training, they wilt and scuttle away behind their busy schedule at best, or some lose their sanctimonious pretense and basically tell me to get the hell out of their life. Very spiritual of them! So please don't accuse me of being some mind-numbed robot either. I am still a dedicated Christian, and that will not change, due to the nature of being a Christian. I am first a Christian, and second a husband, I love my wife. All other issues come up a distant 3rd or 4th, or further down. Being a conservative is way down the list, so my participation in this thread was definitely academic. The issues raised are good, and I appreciate your insight. I have already been checking out some of the things that have been said by you and others. So if a thread like this has any benefit, hopefully it opens all of our eyes a little bit, as we learn to communicate with each other. It is not that I am not concerned about the ecology, or the environment. And I really have enjoyed the conversation with you. Sometimes maybe just a little to much. In closing, I would like to tell you a little fishing story, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Three guys were out fishing in their bass boat. Being Sunday, the two conservative Christians thought they should at least talk about God some, and witness to their liberal non-Christian friend who was along for the first time. So they got to talking about how Jesus could walk on water, and how convienent it would be if they could do the same. Especially since they would ocasionally get their line snagged on the brush along the side of the lake. The LNF (Liberal non-Christian friend) finally had enough of all this talk about God, and challenged the two CFRs, that if they really believed what they were saying, why didn't they just get out of the boat and walk on the water. Where upon one of the CFRs stood up, got out of the boat, and to the surprise of the LNF, took a casual stroll around the boat! Surprised, but not totally convinced, the LNF indicated to the other CFR that he should do the same. Whereupon the other CFR jumped out of the boat, and did the same! Still not ready to believe, the LNF was totally miffed, and thought, anything they can do I can do better, and he jumped out of the boat, and immediately went under. While he splashed around, not being a strong swimmer, the two CFRs sitting in the boat were discussing whether they should pull the Liberal back in, or let him swim a while longer. They finally had compassion on the poor man, being good Christians, and decided, to just tell him where the stepping stones were! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now there are many morals to this story, the main one pertinent to this thread, is to be careful of who your trolling partners are, or at least know where the stepping stones are located. I like fishing also, having tied flies since I was a kid. Not very good at that either, but some of the fish didn' know! Thanks for the chat, I'm ready to get on paddlin', Respectfully, Tinkerntom, aka Knesisknosis, Life, Live it! |
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