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On 24-Nov-2004, "Keenan Wellar" wrote:

I can't think of any other
country where the sexual habits of the president would be more important
than the waging of war.

Well, that's the same country that enshrines guns in the Constitution
but considers a woman's bare breast to be a threat to children.

Mike

"Michael Daly" wrote in message
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On 24-Nov-2004, "Keenan Wellar" wrote:

I can't think of any other
country where the sexual habits of the president would be more important
than the waging of war.

Well, that's the same country that enshrines guns in the Constitution
but considers a woman's bare breast to be a threat to children.

Mike

Ooo. That's a good one.

Also there's the opposition to stem cell research but support for the death
penalty.

Tinkerntom wrote:

Hi, my Dutch friend Wilko, and I mean that sincerely.

Tinkerntom, to call someone my friend, I need to like someone a lot,
feel that I want to respect them, and I require them to respect me. I
don't take friendship lightly. I don't feel the need to make many
friends, IMO quality means a lot more than quantity in that respect,
although I tend to be in touch with a decent amount of people.

I have made a couple of friends on RBP, some of which I couldn't differ
more from in my views, but I respect them and I'd go paddle with them at
the blink of an eye at every opportunity that presents itself.

For you to come barging into this newsgroup like you did, attacking
people that you felt disagreed with your political opinion, and then
pull the "nice boater" out of the hat is not exactly helping me to take
a friendly stance towards you. Maybe that will change over time, but for
the time being I'm skeptical about being called your "friend".

I took rivermans recommendation, and did some research on some of my
apparent antagonist, and found that you are a well document foreigner.

Looks like you found out that calling someone a foreigner on an
international newsgroup (that admittedly sees a lot of U.S. posters)
isn't exactly the most appropriate expression one could come up with... :-)

snipped stuff about my website

My only regret is that I waited until 50 to get
started. You ask do I paddle, and the answer is yes. Do I paddle as
much as I would like, NO! Will I ever be as proficient as you. Never!
I am 55 now, and the old muscles don't work as good, and the bones
don't heal so fast, but I do love paddling.

IMO it doesn't matter at what age you started paddling as long as you
did start. :-)

Will I ever paddle the rivers you have paddled, probably not.

As for the proficiency or skill level of what you paddle, who cares as
long as you have fun? There are probably millions of paddlers better
than me, but I have fun doing what I do, and I sure hope that they do too.

A bit later I got my Overflow, and was all excited about getting on
the river.
Until an aquaintance that was kayaking caught a barbed wire strand
that had been strung acoss the river to keep out kayakers. It
basically took his head off! My wife said no way was I going to do
anything that would end like that!

Being in the unfortunate position where running creeks with barbed wire
is one of the standard issues to deal with, I don't see any reason to
stop paddling white water. I have become more aware when paddling in an
area where flooded creeks tend to get out of the riverbed and flow
through fenced meadows or in between trees. It's not something that i
consciously think about any more, it's just that hair at the back of the
neck feeling that keeps me alert.

Turns out there is a long running
battle here about river access and passage. The landowners say no
kayaker, they ruin the river ecology and environment.

I've paddled in Colorado, and I'm aware of the battle that takes place
there. Reminds me of the situations in Britain, Belgium and Germany... :-(

Does this qualify as paddling in your book, you tell me, maybe when
you're 55! And personally I do prefer this kind of a post!

I guess it does qualify, and I bet you would have gathered a lot more
goodwill if you had first entered this forum with a post with a similar
tone and subject... :-)

Wilko

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

Tinkerntom wrote:

I'm glad to hear from you again, and I am glad that my last post
brought you so much laughter.

Actually, it was Dave's hilarious reply to your post that brought forth
the laughter...

I did do some googling on Weiser also, and found that usenet has a
killfile on him, so it appears that he has gone other places, since he
can't get thru here so easily.

I doubt that's the case... It's not how things work. I think he should
still be able to bother everyone here, but I'm sure he's found more
fertile trolling grounds by now.

Before, I came here to the RBP, I had run into Timmy's Sponsons on
some of the other boards, but haven't seem him around recently at all.

Checked them out because I was not really familiar with their
strategy, and some one thought I may be one or the other. Glad to say
I am not, but now Dave Van is comparing me to Austin Powers,
International Man of Mystery,and I am not him either.

"Dave Van"?

big grin

Do a little search and you'll find the rest of Dave's family name, and
take it from me, it's not "Van".

As far as you being a foreigner, no offense met! To me in USA, you are
from another country, hense a foreigner. Now if I had said, that you
are strange, I may or may not be right, for there definitly are some
strange ones on the net. I am sure Dave is right though, there are no
foreigners on the internet.

And especially on an international forum like RBP...

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

I switched my screen name to no spam and broke up my email address to try to
stem the tide of garbage that posting to the groups was causing to hit my
in-box.

Ken

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...
"No Spam" wrote in message
news:mKQod.4765$K36.4509@trndny03...
the Democrats should be able to run yet another dud next time around
and
manage a win.

That is my biggest fear, that they will not even try to find the right
person for the job, just somebody that can win and that may very well be
anyone.

As a disclaimer I will state that I am a Republican, but I vote for
every
office based on merit not affiliation. I have never voted straight party
and
probably never will. I would love to have 2 worthy candidates to choose
from
next time but I will not hold my breath. There are a few very worthy
democrats out there, I hope that one of them makes it to the
front-runner
this time. I'm sorry but Kerry was not a choice I could make. Of the
Dems in
the running this time I kind of liked Lieberman, but since he did not
make
it to the front, I am sorry to say I don't know enough about him to say
for
sure if I would have voted for him, but from what I do know, I believe I
would have. The primary system just does not seem to be bringing the
best
forward and I don't know what might change that, but I'm hoping someone
in
the right places knows how and does it. I would love to have the problem
of
deciding between 2 candidates that I like next time, instead of figuring
out
who I think is the lesser evil

Ken.

Ken, not No Spam? See we're getting on speaking terms, and you were an
R all the time. Like Eddy Murphy said, "You Devil, you" Threw that in
for Dave!

You are right, US politics is based on who can get nearest the center
of the merry-go-round, and the others will get spun off. There is less
and less difference between candidates from a true issue basis. But
that does not mean the candidate wants to be known as a moderate,
since that has come to mean you don't believe in anything. So there is
this turf war going on for a 1% advantage at the center.

So usually it breaks down to who combs his hair a certain way, and
catch phrases, and Madison AVE. marketing. Why would the best come and
want to be put forward, for a not-so-free ride in the washing machine,
we call American poitics, where the wash cycle never ends, escept with
a spin cycle, and then another wash! So we have to either choose the
lesser of two evils, or the better known, and that means the incumbemt
has an advantage, which means He is the lesser at stake choice for
most voters!

Its been fun, outa here for now, Life, Live it! Tinkerntom

Wilko wrote in message ...
Tinkerntom wrote:

Hi, my Dutch friend Wilko, and I mean that sincerely.

Tinkerntom, to call someone my friend, I need to like someone a lot,
feel that I want to respect them, and I require them to respect me. I
don't take friendship lightly. I don't feel the need to make many
friends, IMO quality means a lot more than quantity in that respect,
although I tend to be in touch with a decent amount of people.

I have made a couple of friends on RBP, some of which I couldn't differ
more from in my views, but I respect them and I'd go paddle with them at
the blink of an eye at every opportunity that presents itself.

For you to come barging into this newsgroup like you did, attacking
people that you felt disagreed with your political opinion, and then
pull the "nice boater" out of the hat is not exactly helping me to take
a friendly stance towards you. Maybe that will change over time, but for
the time being I'm skeptical about being called your "friend".

.................

Does this qualify as paddling in your book, you tell me, maybe when
you're 55! And personally I do prefer this kind of a post!

I guess it does qualify, and I bet you would have gathered a lot more
goodwill if you had first entered this forum with a post with a similar
tone and subject... :-)

Wilko

I apologize my friend, for jumping on a provocative thread, and
blasting away without realizing that there were so many tender souls
in the way. The fact that everyone was firing this way and that, I
misunderstood, and took sort of personal myself. However, I had been
lurking on this board, for a while watching the various paddling post,
and usually finding them very informative and fun, and the posters
most civil. And so was caught off guard by the Donnebruk going on, on
this thread. I watched this thread even then, from the 3rd to the
13th, before just jumping in, and only then when it seemed that some
of my CR compatriots were being ganged up on, and attacked by some
with Automatic weapons, and RPGs.

My only point when I jumped in was, that the Dems were going to have
to adjust their game plan following the election, and that any concern
and plan for the environment would be reflected in that new game plan.
I found myself then being attacked, so excuse me for defending myself
and fighting back. However I would point out, as you all now know me
better, I love a good Donnebruk!

I again apolgize though, for overall, I find you all however
disparate, a noble band of brothers, and worthy of friendship. Do I
know you well, no, but I am sure we will get to know each other
better, given time, so I extend the hand of friendship. We all need as
many friends as we can get. There needs to be fewer, lower walls
between us. That is true Internationalism, we are all on that all to
small life boat, called Earth. That is also true environmentalism, for
if we don't know how to get along together, what difference will it
make if we save all the trees and rivers and wildplaces, if I could
only experience them alone.

There are times when it is great to be alone, but there are other
times to have all our friends around. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Tinkerntom

"No Spam" wrote in message news:f39pd.1607$zm4.1438@trndny02...
I switched my screen name to no spam and broke up my email address to try to
stem the tide of garbage that posting to the groups was causing to hit my
in-box.

Ken

Ken, I know what you mean, a certain anonimity is nice on the web, and
this board posting the email address, causes some problems. I suppose
some email bot is out there now gathering my address, and preparing to
bomb my bailbox.

I have had this address though for a long time, and the damage has
already been done, so I suppose I should just learn to filter out the
junk.

For those involved actively, and truthfully on this site, I would be
willing to be more than Austin Powers, International man of Mystery,
but on the other hand it has it's advantages. Oh yeah,....Baaby, Tnt