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rick etter November 26th 04 11:25 AM


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in message
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wrote on 11/25/04 4:48 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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wrote on 11/24/04 9:17 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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wrote on 11/24/04 6:43 PM:

Well that is where we will have to agree to disagree.

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing. I would really like to understand
how
George W Bush could be less evil than John Kerry. I mean, I watch
George
with one of his little speeches where he makes an obnoxious
statement
and
then goes "heh heh heh" with that evil grin....it just gives me the
willies!
====================
But a self-confessed war criminal doesn't phase you at all? Quite a
selective set of knee-jerks you have there, eh?

You mean because Kerry was a soldier in Vietnam?
=====================
No, stupid, because he admitted to participating in, and performing
*war
crimes*. Did you miss that little part of his sordid past, or were
you
just determined to not hear anything contrary to the 'good feelings' he
gave
you?

Yes, I'm aware. The entire US fiasco in Vietnam was a war crime.

=====================
No, fool. I'm talking on a personal level. *He* phisically participated
and admitted to performing acts that were war crimes with his own hands.
Not all in Vietnam could say that.


The entire American adventure in Vietnam was a war crime. Young Americans,
including John Kerry, were sent there to kill people, many of them
innocent
civilians.

==================
Nice try fool. Keep tap dancing. The whole of the US military did not
commit crimes on a personal basis. You can try to rewrite what ever you
want, it won't make your lys and delusion real though.



That you continue to support a
self-admitted war criminal is what is creepy.


That you can't understand - or choose not to understand - the context is
what is scary and creepy. At least 49% of Americans who voted in the last
election didn't have the same problem, and I doubt many of the remaining
51%
had a problem figuring it out either.

===============
You have no clue. The majority of the US population saw things quite
clearly.




He's
honest. I know, that's not very presidential.

=================
ROTFLMAO Honest? What a hoot!


Dodge noted.

==================
What adodge fool? The only dodging here is your continued tap dancing.
You can't address the fact that kerry personally committed war crimes, and
that *you* supported a war criminal. Quite telling really about the level
of hate in many people.








Keenan Wellar November 26th 04 07:32 PM


"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Keenan Wellar wrote in message
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wrote on 11/25/04 7:42 PM:

As an Educator, you are probably familiar with the Meyers-Briggs
Personality Profile. When tested, I scored in the 98% as an ENTP. One
outstanding and well known ENTP was General Patton. You might not have
liked his politics, style, or his personality, but one thing about
him, you knew where he stood, and maybe not where he was going. But
you knew not to stand in his way. Sound familiar!


He was a very bitter and unstable individual. Are those the
characteristics
you are referring to? Because, clearly, you aren't all that bitter.


Keenan, it is encouraging that you do not perceive me as being bitter!


Uh. Great.

Though you say nothing about unstable. As a kayaker, you understand
the necessity of stability, especially secondary;)


I think you need a lot of work on primary stability. Secondary stability may
well be a distant an unachievable goal. I'll let you know if I perceive
anything in that direction.

I understand that you were primarily speaking of Patton, who very well
may have been bitter and unstable. As an ENTP, his Extravert side
could have turned very negetive when taken out of the loop of
significance, that he had enjoyed during the war. Extroverts like to
be near the center of activity.


No kidding. I suppose introverts tend to shun the spotlight then? So it's
almost as if the "extro" part of the word means, like, "out there" and the
"intro" means, like "inside" or something.




Keenan Wellar November 26th 04 07:36 PM


"rick etter" wrote in message
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"Keenan Wellar" wrote in message
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wrote on 11/25/04 4:48 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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etter
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wrote on 11/24/04 11:02 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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in article t, rick
etter
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wrote on 11/24/04 9:17 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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wrote on 11/24/04 6:43 PM:

Well that is where we will have to agree to disagree.

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing. I would really like to understand
how
George W Bush could be less evil than John Kerry. I mean, I watch
George
with one of his little speeches where he makes an obnoxious
statement
and
then goes "heh heh heh" with that evil grin....it just gives me the
willies!
====================
But a self-confessed war criminal doesn't phase you at all? Quite
a
selective set of knee-jerks you have there, eh?

You mean because Kerry was a soldier in Vietnam?
=====================
No, stupid, because he admitted to participating in, and performing
*war
crimes*. Did you miss that little part of his sordid past, or were
you
just determined to not hear anything contrary to the 'good feelings'
he
gave
you?

Yes, I'm aware. The entire US fiasco in Vietnam was a war crime.
=====================
No, fool. I'm talking on a personal level. *He* phisically
participated
and admitted to performing acts that were war crimes with his own hands.
Not all in Vietnam could say that.


The entire American adventure in Vietnam was a war crime. Young
Americans,
including John Kerry, were sent there to kill people, many of them
innocent
civilians.

==================
Nice try fool. Keep tap dancing. The whole of the US military did not
commit crimes on a personal basis. You can try to rewrite what ever you
want, it won't make your lys and delusion real though.


It would depend on the duties they were given.

How many US soldiers in Vietnam do you think engaged in exactly the same
type of activities as John Kerry?

That you continue to support a
self-admitted war criminal is what is creepy.


That you can't understand - or choose not to understand - the context is
what is scary and creepy. At least 49% of Americans who voted in the last
election didn't have the same problem, and I doubt many of the remaining
51%
had a problem figuring it out either.

===============
You have no clue. The majority of the US population saw things quite
clearly.


Is that right? So of the 49% that voted for John Kerry, how many of them did
so with the thought in mind that they were electing a war criminal? How many
of the 51% voted against him because they thought they were electing a war
criminal?

I am confident that both figures together would not add up to the total
number of American voters who see George Bush as a war criminal for blowing
the crap out of another country on false pretenses.

He's
honest. I know, that's not very presidential.
=================
ROTFLMAO Honest? What a hoot!


Dodge noted.

==================
What adodge fool? The only dodging here is your continued tap dancing.
You can't address the fact that kerry personally committed war crimes, and
that *you* supported a war criminal. Quite telling really about the level
of hate in many people.


I'm not even an American voter, and I did not support John Kerry. I do
understand the context of the war in Vietnam and commend Kerr for his
honesty in coming forward to talk about what went on there.

This contrasts sharply with George Jr and his dishonesty in waging war on
another country under false pretenses.




rick etter November 26th 04 08:59 PM


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in message
. ..

"rick etter" wrote in message
k.net...

"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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in article , rick etter
at
wrote on 11/25/04 4:48 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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in article et, rick
etter
at
wrote on 11/24/04 11:02 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
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news:BDCAAD29.1265C%UseAddressOnWebPageProvided@ho tmail.com...
in article t, rick
etter
at
wrote on 11/24/04 9:17 PM:


"Keenan Wellar" wrote in
message
news:BDCA9664.12630%UseAddressOnWebPageProvided@ho tmail.com...
in article G09pd.15037$Gw.11523@trndny09, No Spam at
wrote on 11/24/04 6:43 PM:

Well that is where we will have to agree to disagree.

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing. I would really like to
understand
how
George W Bush could be less evil than John Kerry. I mean, I watch
George
with one of his little speeches where he makes an obnoxious
statement
and
then goes "heh heh heh" with that evil grin....it just gives me
the
willies!
====================
But a self-confessed war criminal doesn't phase you at all? Quite
a
selective set of knee-jerks you have there, eh?

You mean because Kerry was a soldier in Vietnam?
=====================
No, stupid, because he admitted to participating in, and performing
*war
crimes*. Did you miss that little part of his sordid past, or were
you
just determined to not hear anything contrary to the 'good feelings'
he
gave
you?

Yes, I'm aware. The entire US fiasco in Vietnam was a war crime.
=====================
No, fool. I'm talking on a personal level. *He* phisically
participated
and admitted to performing acts that were war crimes with his own
hands.
Not all in Vietnam could say that.

The entire American adventure in Vietnam was a war crime. Young
Americans,
including John Kerry, were sent there to kill people, many of them
innocent
civilians.

==================
Nice try fool. Keep tap dancing. The whole of the US military did not
commit crimes on a personal basis. You can try to rewrite what ever you
want, it won't make your lys and delusion real though.


It would depend on the duties they were given.

How many US soldiers in Vietnam do you think engaged in exactly the same
type of activities as John Kerry?

That you continue to support a
self-admitted war criminal is what is creepy.

That you can't understand - or choose not to understand - the context is
what is scary and creepy. At least 49% of Americans who voted in the
last
election didn't have the same problem, and I doubt many of the remaining
51%
had a problem figuring it out either.

===============
You have no clue. The majority of the US population saw things quite
clearly.


Is that right? So of the 49% that voted for John Kerry, how many of them
did so with the thought in mind that they were electing a war criminal?
How many of the 51% voted against him because they thought they were
electing a war criminal?

I am confident that both figures together would not add up to the total
number of American voters who see George Bush as a war criminal for
blowing the crap out of another country on false pretenses.

He's
honest. I know, that's not very presidential.
=================
ROTFLMAO Honest? What a hoot!

Dodge noted.

==================
What adodge fool? The only dodging here is your continued tap dancing.
You can't address the fact that kerry personally committed war crimes,
and that *you* supported a war criminal. Quite telling really about the
level of hate in many people.


I'm not even an American voter, and I did not support John Kerry. I do
understand the context of the war in Vietnam and commend Kerr for his
honesty in coming forward to talk about what went on there.

======================
You understand nothinmg as your diatribes have proven...



This contrasts sharply with George Jr and his dishonesty in waging war on
another country under false pretenses.

=================
See, I rest my case. You have nothing but spew, hatred and lys...









Steve Cramer November 26th 04 10:48 PM

Has anyone else noted the inverse correlation between relevance to
paddling and how long a thread goes on around here?

Howcumissat?













































Not complainin', exactly, just observin'.

--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA

Tinkerntom November 26th 04 10:58 PM

Keenan, an addenum to my previous post,

I spent quite a bit of time, googling Keenan Wellar, and most all
results on 10 or more pages, seem to apply to you. You are a prolific
and proficient poster on a number of boards, with many interest and
activities. I am not sure how you find time to be involved in the nit
picking that has gone on this thread.

You are apparently well educated, and well above average intelligence.
So I am wondering still, if you are really interested in environmental
issues, and specifically what your suggestions and recommendations
would be?

I am just trying to get the thread back on topic, since I don't find
the name calling and nitpicking very enlightening, and I expect that
you have a lot more quality content that you could contribute.

I appreciated your trip reports on your web site, with some really
good pictures, maps, and colorful descriptions of your trips. Although
maybe I should attribute and give credit to Julie since most was from
her perspective. You also have a nonprofit business that provides a
very necessary community service. All this would indicate to me that
you are a sensitive and thoughtful person, so why all the bull
headedness that has been displayed on this thread.

Please understand, that I ask this question, from the standpoint that
I have not had the privilege of getting to know you over the last four
years of your posting to the RBP. Others may know you and be able to
read meaning into your comments, but I lack that insight.

You say that you are not anti-American, but anti-hate. But it seems
that your comments are hateful, and hate driven. Now from what I read
elsewhere about you, I would doubt that you would want that image to
stand, so can you please clarify.

Also, it appears that despite your denial, that you are indeed
anti-American.
Many of your comment are dispariging, and none that I could find,
friendly. This was curious to me as I am learning more about our
neighbors to the north, Canada. Again understand, that I would be the
first to acknowledge that I personally do not know much of anything
about you and your country, which is my own failing, and which through
this board, and this thread, have become painfully aware. I am seeking
a growing awareness, and apologize to you for any unfriendliness I may
have conveyed to you.

You also seem to have a great sensitivity to the plight of the Gender
Dysphoric, and I wondered if this is due to professional awareness, or
do you have personal contacts that you are defending and speaking for.
Could you also then answer, what your solutions would be in Canada,
and as you understand, what would work in USA. I personally have
contact with a number of individuals who though I don't agree with
their lifestyle choices, I find them to be rather agreeable, engaging,
and enjoyable to be around. Not nearly as hung up and strident as some
of the straights that I deal with, but again that is and individual
issue, for there is plenty of hate to go around on both sides of the
issue.

Briefly, also there seems to be some issues with religion,
Christianity, and Jesus. I realize, that this is quite personal, but I
would appreciate clarification here or in personal email if and as you
choose.

Now I only ask these questions, because these issues have come up in
this thread as you responded to them. Feel free to further address
them as you see fit, or direct my attention, to another sourse of
information, if you want me to more clearly understand where you are
coming from. I believe they are all environmental issues since they
have to do with the world in which we live, and how we care for the
world, and the people around us. If you would prefer to start another
thread, I would be open to that, and be watching for your response.

Respectfully Tinkerntom, aka Knesisknosis, Life, Live it!

Keenan Wellar November 26th 04 11:20 PM


"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
m...
Keenan, an addenum to my previous post,

I spent quite a bit of time, googling Keenan Wellar, and most all
results on 10 or more pages, seem to apply to you.


FYI, there is no other!



Wilko November 26th 04 11:23 PM



Steve Cramer wrote:

Has anyone else noted the inverse correlation between relevance to
paddling and how long a thread goes on around here?

Howcumissat?













































Not complainin', exactly, just observin'.


big grin

Could it be that paddlers not on the water are trying to get rid of
their excess energy (and frustration at not being able to paddle) elsewhere?

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://wilko.webzone.ru/


Tinkerntom November 27th 04 01:36 AM

Keenan, Keenan, what are we going to do with such vitrol. I realize
that you have not received the post yet that I sent earlier, and this
may pass your response in cyber space. However, this recent post by
you continues to demonstrate the high level of vitrol present in your
post, you need to check your dipstick. High vitrol, leads to
bitterness, resentment and anger, all of which seems to be present. I
hope that you can find a less public dumping ground than a public
forum to work out your issues, though if you choose to continue here,
you are certainly free to do so, and reap the commentary of Retter and
company.

I cherish your civil and professional response which I am sure you are
capable of. The one liners, and childish logic demean your
credentials. Retter needles you as being a fool. I don't perceive you
as a fool, so why do you persist in presenting yourself as one?

Even in this last post of yours, you delve into the depths of the
meaning of extro and intro, and totally miss, or should I say ignore
the true meaning of my post. And if that escapes your ability to
comprehend, you also miss the sincere spirit in which I wrote. I do
not find my stability in question, but you are the one that presents a
less than desirable character to be discussing a serious subject. Are
you contrary, for the sake of being contrary, or in the American
Indian sense of the word, if you know what that means?

Respectfully Tinkerntom, aka KnesisKnosis, Life, Live it!

Tinkerntom November 27th 04 03:51 AM

Wilko wrote in message ...
Steve Cramer wrote:

Has anyone else noted the inverse correlation between relevance to
paddling and how long a thread goes on around here?

Howcumissat?













































Not complainin', exactly, just observin'.


big grin

Could it be that paddlers not on the water are trying to get rid of
their excess energy (and frustration at not being able to paddle) elsewhere?


Now you got me ROTF.... TnT


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