On 14 Dec 2003 17:19:54 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

My experience with
SW Fla marine officers has always been positive.

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That's good to know since that's where I'm doing my boating these days
and we have no shortage of mindless speed zones around here.

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Down near the front of our little country road, we have a farmer who has
what I can only describe as a muffler-less diesel tractor (or maybe just
a defective muffler) with which he tows a very substantial mower. The
noise is breathtaking.

Guy grows two acres of tobacco in the spring and summer, then hangs it
in a traditional dingy red barn. I had thought the raising of tobacco
had been restricted in Maryland, but there must be loopholes. In any
event, the plant itself looks quite nice when it is fully grown, and has
some interesting flowers. After the tobacco is cleared, he grows
turnips, kale and several other very traditional southern leaf crops for
his table.

He's got a pretty little farm, and the hope is it stays in his family as
a farm, and isn't turned over to a "developer."

The plant is in the same family as Nicotiana, a very popular spring annual
that people buy by the millions each year.

As far as why he's growing tobacco, he may be selling it to boutique cigar
makers who've set up shop since people began to think cigars looked and
smelled good. Sort of like the hundreds of coffee and chocolate boutiques we
now have.



Might be. I'll ask him. Maybe he grows tobacco for the Governator's cigars.
He does some bush-hogging for me from time to time. Love that word.

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Greg wrote:

As far as why he's growing tobacco,


He is trying to maintain his quota. If he ever stops growing it he will never
be able to grow it again. It is very possible that the plot is actually leased
out.

It is a leased-out plot. It's right across the street from his farmhouse.

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Swatcop:
I just want to echo what others have said, and to thank you for asking for
the opinions of boaters on the subject of marine law enforcement!

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"Snafu" wrote in message
nk.net...
You can go by the book enforcing any laws at your disposal related to
the
operation of jet skis...

I agree on that subject - not to worry. Thanks.
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"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

In Canada, an anchor _is_ a federal requirement. See
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/obs-bsn. They do not, however, state anything about
the anchor except that it exist!

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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in.


That's a good idea. Include proper anchors in the list of necessary
toys.
I've had the CG look over my yacht and check everything EXCEPT the
anchor.

I don't know where you are, Doug, but the requirement to have an anchor
aboard is not Federal. Many states have placed their own requirement for
an
anchor, and generally the CG will include the anchor as required in those
states.

JG

Harry Krause wrote:

He's got a pretty little farm, and the hope is it stays in his family as
a farm, and isn't turned over to a "developer."

Oh, you mean someone like yourself who described himself as just doing a
little real estate development? Not that I believe that for a second,
but the hypocrisy you ooze out of every pore makes you something of a
one man freak show.

-- Charlie


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1/ We have a great program in Canada, which I think exists in many places in
the U.S. too, of "courtesy" inspections. However, I don't know if the police
offers them - I get mine from the CGAux. (In fact, I think the police have a
formal "zero tolerance" policy.) There are no penalties - it's just
advisory. The "advice," if you found to be in violation, is that if a police
officer ever stops you, you will be fined.

So, responsible boaters who have done their best and think their boat is
adequately equipped can have it checked by an authoritative source without
fear of recrimination, and without occupying police resources which perhaps
could be better utilized elsewhere.

The check on my boat takes a good twenty minutes, so I'm not sure how you
could do that in a boat-ramp line-up. (Are they that slow?)

2/ In our society, we all (almost) know how to drive a car, so a police
officer can take special training in highway enforcement, and even advanced
driving techniques, and be a good highway patrolman. But we don't all have
much experience operating boats, and a course or two is very good but
nowhere near the experience and expertise that some recreational boaters
have, so that's a problem I've heard about at times: boaters being ordered
to hold station in a cross-wind with an opposing current in a narrow
shipping channel, for example, which just can't work. A Rule of the Sea is
that the captain (even the owner or operator of a small recreational boat)
is responsible for the safe operation of that vessel, and can refuse orders
from other authorities if he/she believes it necessary. I don't know if
that's written or traditional. And I suspect that you would want to be able
to convince a judge, later, that you weren't just trying to evade the
officer, but really could not in all conscience behave as demanded. That can
often be resolved by a patient police officer asking for clarification -
firmly but politely - or asking in what manner could the boater maneuver
his/her boat in order for the further inspection to proceed, etc.

This should start along the lines of, "I'm sorry officer, but am unable to
comply due to the narrow channel with a cross-wind and current. Could you
suggest an alternate course of action?" Or, "May I suggest an alternate
course of action?" But people are often very threatened and angry when
approached, so handling it professionally I think sometimes requires every
ounce of self-control the officer can muster.

I, for example, have had good, long looks through the Nav Rules on many
occasions, and still learn something new each time I inspect them, and I
sincerely doubt that most weekend marine policemen understand them as well
as I do. That need not be a problem if I remain respectful, and if the
policemen doesn't have the insecurity that some exhibit about having about
limitations of their knowledge, as long as both parties are simply willing
to have a conversation and then to gauge what they think about the accuracy
of the new information and reformulate their plans based on that. I am also
very familiar with my boat, and understand its capabilities and limitation,
and don't expect every police officer to know all about the different
handling characteristics of small planing sailboats, large keel boats,
planing power boats with single or double I/O's or IB's, displacement and
semi-displacement trawlers... there's a lot to know, and it takes years of
boat operation to come to grips with some of it.

Some law enforcers go into bureaucratic mode, and I've heard of, "You're
trying my patience, plead guilty or spend the night in jail," over very
minor stuff that just required a few minutes of calm explanation. From what
I've seen so far, you're not one of those (and I hope they're the minority).

Which is good!

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"swatcop" wrote in message
m...
... And as a question on the safety checks, other than the marinas in my
town, most people use a public boat ramp area. Would you be offended if
the
cops did a safety inspection on your vessel while you were waiting in line
to launch at a boat ramp? It seems to me like it would save time that way.
Thank you for your input.
-= swatcop =-

"Charles T. Low" wrote in message

In Canada, an anchor _is_ a federal requirement. See

Sorry, Charles. Once again, I forgot to specify. :-)

JG

Yeah, wasn't he developing houses using 100% union labor, just to show the
unions and the developers how it could be profitable. The man is a godsend
to humanity.


"Charles" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

He's got a pretty little farm, and the hope is it stays in his family as
a farm, and isn't turned over to a "developer."

Oh, you mean someone like yourself who described himself as just doing a
little real estate development? Not that I believe that for a second,
but the hypocrisy you ooze out of every pore makes you something of a
one man freak show.

-- Charlie


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Jack Meholf wrote:

Yeah, wasn't he developing houses using 100% union labor, just to show the
unions and the developers how it could be profitable. The man is a godsend
to humanity.

How much did you say you got for that ski boat?

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