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First off, thanks for asking! And welcome to Florida waters!! What kind of
problems really depends on were you are, East coast is VERY different from West as far as perceived problems. OUI is always a concern for me as a tour operator as well as inexperienced operators. I don't want to jump on the PWC bashing bandwagon, but lots of these folks have no idea what safe operation is, not all of them mind you. I have to tell you, a night patrol on occasion will do a lot to ease many minds. As far as wake violations, I'm all for enforcement but some E.O.s from many fields have been over zealous and would likely written a citation for boats at anchor in a strong spring tide if given the chance. Welcome! I'm just glad you are here!Conscientious law enforcement on the water is a good thing for all concerned even those that may be inconvenienced. Capt. Matt "swatcop" wrote in message ... Looking for a little bit of direction here. I've been recently assigned to my department's Marine Unit. I've been a cop for 15 years. I lived in NJ at the shore around boats most of my life, but never owned one. I rarely even went out on boats except for fishing or waterskiing. I moved to Florida in late 2000, and I'm still working as a cop (just in a nicer place). As a result of some administrative changes in my department, I was assigned to the Marine Unit. I've completed the necessary training and such, but one thing is lacking: experience. I'll try to get to the point - I'm open for comments and opinions. I know what the law says, and I know what my job is, but I try to use more common sense than what the law may actually say in black & white. What do you (as boaters) feel the most important issues are for the Police to deal with on the water? Would you like to see more O.U.I. enforcement? More vessel stops for no wake zone infractions? More safety inspections? More after dark patrols of inlets, channels, and harbor areas? You tell me. I'm asking for your honest opinions here. As a rule I use more common sense than anything on the job. I treat people fairly, and as a result I rarely ever have to appear in court. I would like to do the same on the water. Here's your chance to make a difference, because I will take every opinion into consideration. Thanks for your help. |
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"Capt. Matt" wrote in message ... First off, thanks for asking! And welcome to Florida waters!! What kind of problems really depends on were you are, East coast is VERY different from West as far as perceived problems. OUI is always a concern for me as a tour operator as well as inexperienced operators. I don't want to jump on the PWC bashing bandwagon, but lots of these folks have no idea what safe operation is, not all of them mind you. I have to tell you, a night patrol on occasion will do a lot to ease many minds. As far as wake violations, I'm all for enforcement but some E.O.s from many fields have been over zealous and would likely written a citation for boats at anchor in a strong spring tide if given the chance. Welcome! I'm just glad you are here!Conscientious law enforcement on the water is a good thing for all concerned even those that may be inconvenienced. Capt. Matt Thank you for your input. Seems the jetskis are a common topic, and will be dealt with more severely. As for the waterway, I'll be on the west coast in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank you for the welcome and for the information, I plan on making a POSITIVE change out there and not just becoming another pain in the ass. -- -= swatcop =- "If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed." |
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Sir,
I am impressed! I have always had positive dealings with law enforcement, as a P.S. teacher and as a boat captain. But the fact that I see you not only ask but reply to local boaters, I think we have a real asset on the water with you! If you are in the Naples to E.G.C. area I hope to see you 'unofficially on the water. Be safe, I'll do the same! Capt. Matt "swatcop" wrote in message m... "Capt. Matt" wrote in message ... First off, thanks for asking! And welcome to Florida waters!! What kind of problems really depends on were you are, East coast is VERY different from West as far as perceived problems. OUI is always a concern for me as a tour operator as well as inexperienced operators. I don't want to jump on the PWC bashing bandwagon, but lots of these folks have no idea what safe operation is, not all of them mind you. I have to tell you, a night patrol on occasion will do a lot to ease many minds. As far as wake violations, I'm all for enforcement but some E.O.s from many fields have been over zealous and would likely written a citation for boats at anchor in a strong spring tide if given the chance. Welcome! I'm just glad you are here!Conscientious law enforcement on the water is a good thing for all concerned even those that may be inconvenienced. Capt. Matt Thank you for your input. Seems the jetskis are a common topic, and will be dealt with more severely. As for the waterway, I'll be on the west coast in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank you for the welcome and for the information, I plan on making a POSITIVE change out there and not just becoming another pain in the ass. -- -= swatcop =- "If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed." |
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"Capt. Matt" wrote in message ... Sir, I am impressed! I have always had positive dealings with law enforcement, as a P.S. teacher and as a boat captain. But the fact that I see you not only ask but reply to local boaters, I think we have a real asset on the water with you! If you are in the Naples to E.G.C. area I hope to see you 'unofficially on the water. Be safe, I'll do the same! Capt. Matt Thanks, Capt. Matt - I'll be on the Gulf of Mexico in the Tampa Bay area. And it's not "sir," it's Bill. Be safe. -- -= swatcop =- "If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed." |
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"swatcop" wrote in message news:9RMCb.12536
Thank you for your input. Seems the jetskis are a common topic, and will be dealt with more severely. I have been pretty impressed with what you have had to say, until now. Hating jet skies as much as any other sane boater it is still my opinion that if you go into this new assignment with that attitude, and acting on that prejudice as you state you will, than you are just another pain in the ass, bad cop. As for the waterway, I'll be on the west coast in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank you for the welcome and for the information, I plan on making a POSITIVE change out there and not just becoming another pain in the ass. The way to make a positive change is to make your compadres see things more from the user point of view and bring your practical experience as a boater and a human to the job, not by going out with a "piggish" attitude, looking for jetskiers and other (mostly law abiding) folks who don't fall in line with your personal boating or even lifestyle, preferences and treating them "more severely". Scott Ingersoll, who has seen to many good cops fall into this trap... |
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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... "swatcop" wrote in message news:9RMCb.12536 Thank you for your input. Seems the jetskis are a common topic, and will be dealt with more severely. I have been pretty impressed with what you have had to say, until now. Hating jet skies as much as any other sane boater it is still my opinion that if you go into this new assignment with that attitude, and acting on that prejudice as you state you will, than you are just another pain in the ass, bad cop. As for the waterway, I'll be on the west coast in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank you for the welcome and for the information, I plan on making a POSITIVE change out there and not just becoming another pain in the ass. The way to make a positive change is to make your compadres see things more from the user point of view and bring your practical experience as a boater and a human to the job, not by going out with a "piggish" attitude, looking for jetskiers and other (mostly law abiding) folks who don't fall in line with your personal boating or even lifestyle, preferences and treating them "more severely". Scott Ingersoll, who has seen to many good cops fall into this trap... I'm glad someone "pro-jetski" finally responded so I can get an even view of the situation. As I stated in other replies, I am a fair guy. I won't headhunt jetskis and hand out fistfulls of citations, but if all of the boaters are complaining about the "water etiquette" usually displayed by PWCs, then there's got to be a problem somewhere. I believe that I can get the message out in my area that inconsiderate operation of PWCs will not be acceptable without breaking out the ticket book. Once I warn someone, though, I WILL issue a citation for subsequent offenses. That goes for PWCs, boats, cars, skateboards, or whatever. Thanks for your input, yours will be noted along with the rest of them. -- -= swatcop =- "If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed." |
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"swatcop" wrote in message . com...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... "swatcop" wrote in message news:9RMCb.12536 Thank you for your input. Seems the jetskis are a common topic, and will be dealt with more severely. I have been pretty impressed with what you have had to say, until now. Hating jet skies as much as any other sane boater it is still my opinion that if you go into this new assignment with that attitude, and acting on that prejudice as you state you will, than you are just another pain in the ass, bad cop. As for the waterway, I'll be on the west coast in the Gulf of Mexico. Thank you for the welcome and for the information, I plan on making a POSITIVE change out there and not just becoming another pain in the ass. The way to make a positive change is to make your compadres see things more from the user point of view and bring your practical experience as a boater and a human to the job, not by going out with a "piggish" attitude, looking for jetskiers and other (mostly law abiding) folks who don't fall in line with your personal boating or even lifestyle, preferences and treating them "more severely". Scott Ingersoll, who has seen to many good cops fall into this trap... I'm glad someone "pro-jetski" You did not read my post correctly, I am not pro jetski, I said: " Hating jet skies as much as any other sane boater..." Anyway, just wanted to clear that one up... Scotty finally responded so I can get an even view of the situation. As I stated in other replies, I am a fair guy. I won't headhunt jetskis and hand out fistfulls of citations, but if all of the boaters are complaining about the "water etiquette" usually displayed by PWCs, then there's got to be a problem somewhere. I believe that I can get the message out in my area that inconsiderate operation of PWCs will not be acceptable without breaking out the ticket book. Once I warn someone, though, I WILL issue a citation for subsequent offenses. That goes for PWCs, boats, cars, skateboards, or whatever. Thanks for your input, yours will be noted along with the rest of them. |
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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om... The way to make a positive change is to make your compadres see things more from the user point of view and bring your practical experience as a boater and a human to the job I'm not sure who you mean by "compadres", but if you mean the jetskiers themselves, that'll be a tough nut to crack. First of all, around here they're 90% teenagers. Ask 100 teenagers how often they need a quiet afternoon. Let me know if you get positive answers from more than one or two of them. It's up to their parents to explain to them that some boaters are out on the water to get AWAY from lawnmowers and string trimmers and morons who think "loud pipes save lives", and that it's their job to make sure that nobody has to hear their jet skis at "normal lawnmower distances". Failing this, there's nothing wrong with them being hunted down and reoriented by the cops. What's are the other options? Put up with the noise? The bad driving? The drunkenness? Or, chase them down ourselves? |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:41:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: What's are the other options? Put up with the noise? The bad driving? The drunkenness? Or, chase them down ourselves? ================================================== == Actually it gets worse than that. Annoyed people gang up to assert their democratic right to get laws passed. Laws that then become applicable to all boaters, not just the ones that caused the trouble in the first place. Next thing you know you've got speed zones, no wake zones and no-boating-of-any-kind-whatsoever zones. All because of a bunch of half wits on a jetski asserting their right to act like jerks. Same for the straight pipe exhaust crowd. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message om... The way to make a positive change is to make your compadres see things more from the user point of view and bring your practical experience as a boater and a human to the job I'm not sure who you mean by "compadres", I meant his fellow Officers... but if you mean the jetskiers themselves, that'll be a tough nut to crack. First of all, around here they're 90% teenagers. Ask 100 teenagers how often they need a quiet afternoon. Let me know if you get positive answers from more than one or two of them. It's up to their parents to explain to them that some boaters are out on the water to get AWAY from lawnmowers and string trimmers and morons who think "loud pipes save lives", and that it's their job to make sure that nobody has to hear their jet skis at "normal lawnmower distances". Then they are arrogant and stupid, if they want peace and quiet, they should go somewhere where the noisy stuff is not legal. That is a big problem when a few folks can ruin the fun for a lot of other folks... the "few" I refer to are the ones screaming about those who have different ideas about fun boating. Remember, noisy or fast does not mean bad or illegal... or even obnoxious for that matter, it just depends on your point of view... What is really bad, is the intolerance of some for those with different opinions on how to enjoy the public waters. Failing this, there's nothing wrong with them being hunted down and reoriented by the cops. What's are the other options? Put up with the noise? The bad driving? The drunkenness? Or, chase them down ourselves? By the way, the rudest and most dangerous boaters I have run into in the past are almost exclusively on 20 to 30 foot boats, not go fasts' or jetskies either, just drunken idiots in regular stock dealer boats like Maxim or SeaSwirl. Around here the jetskis know they are targets so they more or less are under control.. Scotty, I do my boating on the CT River. |
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