"noah" wrote in message
...

I paid the fine, and thanked the judge for making it a very small one.
I think the judge was a fisherman. )


Thank heaven for judges who understand the difference between the essence of
the law and the letter of the law (unlike the sad troopers who are told to
sit on the thruway all day and look only for speeders - never mind the
tailgaters, or 30 yr old dump trucks spewing opaque fumes).

Last year, I went to court to explain to a judge that I was doing 79 mph at
a certain moment, not 80 as the trooper claimed. The dangerous psychopath
ahead of me was in a wheelchair with neck brace and oxygen tank, after being
beaten mercilessly by 3 DEC officers for being a week gone on his fishing
license. The judge asked him if he was ware of the odd renewal date here in
NY - end of Sept or something like that. He responded that he understood,
but generally forgot, like almost everyone else who's also preoccupied with
raking leaves at that time of year. Then, the judge asked him how the
fishing was that day. He told the judge he'd been set upon by bluefills, and
hadn't caught any steelhead. The judge explained that justice would not be
served by fining a fisherman who hadn't caught anything worthwhile.

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:47:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"noah" wrote in message
.. .

I paid the fine, and thanked the judge for making it a very small one.
I think the judge was a fisherman. )


Thank heaven for judges who understand the difference between the essence of
the law and the letter of the law (unlike the sad troopers who are told to
sit on the thruway all day and look only for speeders - never mind the
tailgaters, or 30 yr old dump trucks spewing opaque fumes).

Last year, I went to court to explain to a judge that I was doing 79 mph at
a certain moment, not 80 as the trooper claimed. The dangerous psychopath
ahead of me was in a wheelchair with neck brace and oxygen tank, after being
beaten mercilessly by 3 DEC officers for being a week gone on his fishing
license. The judge asked him if he was ware of the odd renewal date here in
NY - end of Sept or something like that. He responded that he understood,
but generally forgot, like almost everyone else who's also preoccupied with
raking leaves at that time of year. Then, the judge asked him how the
fishing was that day. He told the judge he'd been set upon by bluefills, and
hadn't caught any steelhead. The judge explained that justice would not be
served by fining a fisherman who hadn't caught anything worthwhile.


Problem, "Doug"?

I didn't have the "wearable". I got a ticket. It was bull****. I paid it.
I guess if I had been fishing from a Camaro, it would have been OK.

****ed about something?
Regards,
noah

********************
Off-topic posting is a bit like farting in a house of worship.
Only children, the arrogant, or the ignorant, can truly enjoy it.
Only the arrogant and the ignorant insist upon doing it.

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. )

But not the innocent dogs, I presume.
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"swatcop" wrote in message
m...


I don't know the official legal name of the law covering wakes, but when
my
son's in the boat, I call it "attempted murder". One of these days,
someone's gonna get a bullet in their fuel tank.

Do something about that, wherever you work.

I'm not sure of the actual name of the statute (as I said I'm new at this
aspect of policing), but I know it exists. Part of my training was with
the
Coast Guard, and I remember the instructor really driving his point home
about boaters being responsible for their wake. One of his examples was a
woman drinking coffee on her husband's boat. Some schmuck flew past them
and
she spilled her coffee on her lap resulting in burns. The operator of the
other boat was heavily fined and also came under civil suit. I will
definitely keep an eye on the wakes of vessels. Thank you for your input.

When you stop those people, always begin the conversation with "please kneel
on the deck and keep your hands where I can see them". Fear is good.

This is why I'm not a cop. I'd execute people for allowing their dogs to
roam the neighborhood unsupervised.

Also keep an eye out for people shooting at other folks gas tanks...

"swatcop" wrote in message
m...



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"swatcop" wrote in message
...
Here's your chance to make a difference, because I will take
every opinion into consideration. Thanks for your help.

Here in Rochester NY, there's a busy area where the sherrifs behave like
giant mosquitoes, pestering anyone who looks wrong. I think it's a great
idea, even though they've bugged me frequently to check my fishing
license.
I have to imagine they nail people for more serious stuff. So, I'd say
"Be
the biggest pain in the ass you can".

My pet peeve involves something that happens constantly when I'm
fishing.
The bay here is about a mile wide, and from side to side, it's deep
enough
for any boat. There's one spot where small fishing boats have been
congregating for years because that's where the perch hang out. The
spot's
about an acre in size. Without fail, there's at least one moron per hour
who
feels the need to crank past the fishermen at top speed, throwing 3-5 ft
wakes.

I don't know the official legal name of the law covering wakes, but when
my
son's in the boat, I call it "attempted murder". One of these days,
someone's gonna get a bullet in their fuel tank.

Do something about that, wherever you work.

I'm not sure of the actual name of the statute (as I said I'm new at this
aspect of policing), but I know it exists. Part of my training was with
the
Coast Guard, and I remember the instructor really driving his point home
about boaters being responsible for their wake. One of his examples was a
woman drinking coffee on her husband's boat. Some schmuck flew past them
and
she spilled her coffee on her lap resulting in burns. The operator of the
other boat was heavily fined and also came under civil suit. I will
definitely keep an eye on the wakes of vessels. Thank you for your input.
--
-= swatcop =-

"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

"noah" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:47:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"noah" wrote in message
.. .

I paid the fine, and thanked the judge for making it a very small one.
I think the judge was a fisherman. )


Thank heaven for judges who understand the difference between the essence
of
the law and the letter of the law (unlike the sad troopers who are told
to
sit on the thruway all day and look only for speeders - never mind the
tailgaters, or 30 yr old dump trucks spewing opaque fumes).

Last year, I went to court to explain to a judge that I was doing 79 mph
at
a certain moment, not 80 as the trooper claimed. The dangerous psychopath
ahead of me was in a wheelchair with neck brace and oxygen tank, after
being
beaten mercilessly by 3 DEC officers for being a week gone on his fishing
license. The judge asked him if he was ware of the odd renewal date here
in
NY - end of Sept or something like that. He responded that he understood,
but generally forgot, like almost everyone else who's also preoccupied
with
raking leaves at that time of year. Then, the judge asked him how the
fishing was that day. He told the judge he'd been set upon by bluefills,
and
hadn't caught any steelhead. The judge explained that justice would not
be
served by fining a fisherman who hadn't caught anything worthwhile.


Problem, "Doug"?

I didn't have the "wearable". I got a ticket. It was bull****. I paid
it.
I guess if I had been fishing from a Camaro, it would have been OK.

****ed about something?
Regards,
noah

Well, when I read your message, I was ****ed that I'd run out of grapefruit.
But, my comment on balanced judges seems to fit what you mentioned. You said
the fine was a small one, right? I responded by describing a similar judge.
Did my typo (bluefills instead of bluegills) cause some confusion?
-Doug

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:35:44 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:
I want to know what the
PUBLIC wants done. Thank you for your input.

==========================================

I can't claim to speak for the entire public but here are some of my
hot buttons:

Really tough noise enforcement. There is no excuse whatsoever for
operating a boat that can be heard more than a mile away. Ideally
this should start with the manufacurers and dealers but tough "on the
water" enforcement would have the same effect over time. No mufflers,
no boating.

Mindless operation in general, particularly personal water craft (jet
skis) that circle in the same general area. This is a constant
annoyance both to anchored boats, and also to home owners who can't
escape.

Mindless enforcement by marine police with a "by the book" radar trap
mentality. Speed zones are out of control in many areas because of
the mindless and irresponsible actions of a few. If a boat is being
operated in a safe manner, leaving a minimal wake, is not bothering
anyone, leave them alone - even if they are running on plane in a
speed zone. Many small boats can run on plane without endangering or
bothering anyone.

Last but not least, be unobtrusive. People are on the water to have a
good time and do not like a police state atmosphere. It's a tough
balance to strike but well worth the effort.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:55:36 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:
Would you be offended if the
cops did a safety inspection on your vessel while you were waiting in line
to launch at a boat ramp?

======================================

Absolutely offended. This is intrusive enforcement with no probable
cause. Leave people alone unless they are doing something stupid or
annoying.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...


I can't claim to speak for the entire public but here are some of my
hot buttons:

Really tough noise enforcement.

You'll be running for town supervisor here next year, right? :-)

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:42:59 +0000, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for the entire public but here are some of my hot
buttons:

Really tough noise enforcement.

As I get older, I'm surprised at how intrusive I find loud noises. Things
that never used to bother me are now an annoyance, loud boats,
un-muffled Harleys, or, my personal favorite, the Sunday mower
marathon.

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:42:59 +0000, Wayne.B wrote:

I can't claim to speak for the entire public but here are some of my hot
buttons:

Really tough noise enforcement.

As I get older, I'm surprised at how intrusive I find loud noises. Things
that never used to bother me are now an annoyance, loud boats,
un-muffled Harleys, or, my personal favorite, the Sunday mower
marathon.

I can sort of put up with the mowers, but it's the leaf blowers that get to
me. In my previous residence, my neighbor had a driveway one car wide and 30
feet long. He'd get out the blower and spend an hour chasing down 17 blades
of grass. Meanwhile, when my son was 6 yrs old, he could broom off our
driveway in under 5 minutes, and it was 2 cars wide, 50 feet long.

Maybe this is why we're a nation of fatsos. Too lazy to lift a broom.