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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:14:00 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I dunno Harry. This one has me totally perplexed. There is an absolute
venom towards Bush on your side of the aisle. I've read articles from
writers who stated they hate even the way he walks. Yet, that message
only seems to come to those liberals that have a strong interest in
politics. Obviously, the hate message isn't resonating with the great
majority of the country.

That venom has been with us for some time, and isn't limited to one side
of the aisle. I never liked Clinton, but to this day, I am amazed at the
rabid hatred he inspires in some. Personally, I don't think either
President is deserving of hatred, and find the polarization troubling and
dangerous. I suspect the reasons lie in both sides perceptions that
Washington can not effectively run the country. Blame for this is often
the "other side".

Actually, my feelings toward Bill Clinton had less to do with his policies
and more to do with his immorality.

But Bush's immorality and his endless lies about really important
matters don't concern you, eh?



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NOYB wrote:
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:14:00 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I dunno Harry. This one has me totally perplexed. There is an
absolute
venom towards Bush on your side of the aisle. I've read articles from
writers who stated they hate even the way he walks. Yet, that
message
only seems to come to those liberals that have a strong interest in
politics. Obviously, the hate message isn't resonating with the great
majority of the country.

That venom has been with us for some time, and isn't limited to one
side
of the aisle. I never liked Clinton, but to this day, I am amazed at
the
rabid hatred he inspires in some. Personally, I don't think either
President is deserving of hatred, and find the polarization troubling
and
dangerous. I suspect the reasons lie in both sides perceptions that
Washington can not effectively run the country. Blame for this is
often
the "other side".

Actually, my feelings toward Bill Clinton had less to do with his
policies
and more to do with his immorality.

But Bush's immorality and his endless lies about really important
matters don't concern you, eh?

How is bush immoral, and what is he lying about?

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
news On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:14:00 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I dunno Harry. This one has me totally perplexed. There is an
absolute
venom towards Bush on your side of the aisle. I've read articles from
writers who stated they hate even the way he walks. Yet, that
message
only seems to come to those liberals that have a strong interest in
politics. Obviously, the hate message isn't resonating with the great
majority of the country.

That venom has been with us for some time, and isn't limited to one
side
of the aisle. I never liked Clinton, but to this day, I am amazed at
the
rabid hatred he inspires in some. Personally, I don't think either
President is deserving of hatred, and find the polarization troubling
and
dangerous. I suspect the reasons lie in both sides perceptions that
Washington can not effectively run the country. Blame for this is
often
the "other side".

Actually, my feelings toward Bill Clinton had less to do with his
policies
and more to do with his immorality.

But Bush's immorality and his endless lies about really important
matters don't concern you, eh?

How is bush immoral, and what is he lying about?



1. Oh, puh-lease.
2. Everything.

Here's a short and now out of date list of the lies of Bush and his
administration about one subject...WMD:




Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction.

Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002


Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for
the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002


If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is
once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002


We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003


Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve
agent.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003


We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003


We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003


If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass
destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months
since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the
crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are
doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and
rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.

Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003


So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of
mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our
judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003


Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that
the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
weapons ever devised.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003


Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the
operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003


There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of
mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons
will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them
and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003


I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction.

Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003


One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a
number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003


We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003


Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of
mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003


But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about
and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003


We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi
scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he
destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003


There are people who in large measure have information that we need . .
.. so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003


We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003


I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and
the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003


We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction
in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003


I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam
Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003


U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and
find" weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003


I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean,
there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago --
whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're
still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003


Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had
weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to
be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003


Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating,
I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003


They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.

Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003


For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one
reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we
have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal
sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually
every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad,
but they're simply not there.

Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I
think there's a lot of information out there."

Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003


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Here's a short and now out of date list

Since you unequivocally pronounce all these statements as administration
lies, we can presume that you have confirmed documentary evidence that there
are not now and were not then any NBC weapons in Iraq.

Sources, please?

John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:br0lft$27poe8

Here's a short and now out of date list

Since you unequivocally pronounce all these statements as administration
lies, we can presume that you have confirmed documentary evidence that there
are not now and were not then any NBC weapons in Iraq.

Sources, please?




WMD, please?

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As expected.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John Gaquin wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:br0lft$27poe8

Here's a short and now out of date list

Since you unequivocally pronounce all these statements as administration
lies, we can presume that you have confirmed documentary evidence that
there
are not now and were not then any NBC weapons in Iraq.

Sources, please?




WMD, please?

It's too early. David Kay's preliminary report was pretty convincing all by
itself. However, the Bush administration knows that it will take a lot more
to convince the most ardent naysayers. I suspect the final report will be
all the proof that anyone needs...and will be released sometime next summer.

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:05:40 +0000, NOYB wrote:

It's too early. David Kay's preliminary report was pretty convincing all
by itself. However, the Bush administration knows that it will take a lot
more to convince the most ardent naysayers. I suspect the final report
will be all the proof that anyone needs...and will be released sometime
next summer.

Maybe, but they are releasing the Iraqi weapons scientists now. Doesn't
look good for finding any WMDs.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...pons08-ON.html

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
news On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:14:00 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I dunno Harry. This one has me totally perplexed. There is an
absolute
venom towards Bush on your side of the aisle. I've read articles
from
writers who stated they hate even the way he walks. Yet, that
message
only seems to come to those liberals that have a strong interest
in
politics. Obviously, the hate message isn't resonating with the
great
majority of the country.

That venom has been with us for some time, and isn't limited to one
side
of the aisle. I never liked Clinton, but to this day, I am amazed
at
the
rabid hatred he inspires in some. Personally, I don't think either
President is deserving of hatred, and find the polarization
troubling
and
dangerous. I suspect the reasons lie in both sides perceptions that
Washington can not effectively run the country. Blame for this is
often
the "other side".

Actually, my feelings toward Bill Clinton had less to do with his
policies
and more to do with his immorality.

But Bush's immorality and his endless lies about really important
matters don't concern you, eh?

How is bush immoral, and what is he lying about?



1. Oh, puh-lease.
2. Everything.

Here's a short and now out of date list of the lies of Bush and his
administration about one subject...WMD:




Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of
mass destruction.

Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Not Bush...but, nevertheless, not a lie. Saddam had 7 months from that date
to hide 'em or move 'em to Syria.




Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for
the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

Again, absolute truth. Even Blix agreed with that one.



If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is
once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

Not Bush again...but still not a lie.




We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Even the Clinton White House was convinced there were weapons there.



Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve
agent.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We've already discovered the materials necessary to produce the stuff. We
just haven't found the WMD's...yet. At least as far as any of us outside
the White House knows.




We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003





We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003


If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass
destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months
since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the
crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are
doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and
rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.

Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003


Well, there's a partial lie in this one. They *do* want to rearrange the
Middle East...and for good reason.



So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of
mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our
judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003


Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that
the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal
weapons ever devised.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

I don't think the regime possesses them anymore...as they're in Syria being
concealed.



Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the
operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003


There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of
mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons
will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them
and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003


I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction.

Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003


One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a
number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003


We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

I believe that was about Saddam and his supporters...not WMD's.



Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of
mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003


But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that
they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about
and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003


We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi
scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he
destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003


There are people who in large measure have information that we need . .
. so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that
country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003


We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003


I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and
the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003


We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction
in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003


I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam
Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003


U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and
find" weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003


I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean,
there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago --
whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're
still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003


Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had
weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to
be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003


Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating,
I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003


They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.

Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003


For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one
reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

That's about as honest and forthright an answer you could ask for. WMD's
was *one* issue for getting rid of the guy.



It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we
have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal
sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually
every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad,
but they're simply not there.

Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I
think there's a lot of information out there."

Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003


When the WMD's show up next summer, Harry and his ilk will have already dug
their own graves on this issue...and they'll only have themselves to thank
for it.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Here's a short and now out of date list of the lies of Bush and his
administration about one subject...WMD:

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003


Iraqi officer admits to be source of 45-minute WMD attack claim: paper

www.chinaview.cn 2003-12-07 18:31:33


LONDON, Dec. 7 (Xinhuanet) -- An Iraqi military officer has
admitted that he was the source of the claim on Iraq's alleged weapons of
mass destruction attack that led to a British scientist's apparent suicide,
the Sunday Telegraph newspaper reported.

According to the paper, Lt. Col. al-Dabbagh, who commanded a
front-line unit during the build-up to the US-led war against Iraq,has
revealed how he passed top secret information to British intelligence
warning that the Iraqi former regime had deployed weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) that could be used on the battlefield against coalition
troops in less than 45 minutes.

"I am the one responsible for providing this information," the
40-year old former head of an Iraqi air defense unit in the western desert,
told the paper in an exclusive interview.

The paper said al-Dabbagh, who is now working as an adviser to
Iraq's Governing Council, also insisted that the information related to
Iraq's battlefield WMD capability was correct.

"It is 100 percent accurate," al-Dabbagh said, adding local
commanders were told that they could use the weapons only on the personal
orders of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

He said he believed that the alleged banned weapons have been
hidden at secret locations and still in Iraq, a claim that comes against the
backdrop that the coalition forces have been combing Iraq in search of the
alleged WMD since March without any success.

On the paper's report, a spokeswoman for British Prime
MinisterTony Blair said Downing Street was not prepared to comment but it
urged all those involved to provide the Iraq Survey Group with whatever
information they believe they have.

The British government published a dossier on Iraq's banned
weapons last September, including the claim that Iraq could deploychemical
or biological weapons within 45 minutes of a decision to do so.

David Kelly, a weapons expert of the British Ministry of Defense,
apparently committed suicide in July after being identified as the source
for a BBC report that accused the government of "sexing up" the dossier to
make a stronger case for the US-led Iraq war.

Kelly's death led to a judicial inquiry by senior judge Lord
Hutton that has questioned the government's use of intelligence inthe run-up
to the Iraq war.

During the inquiry led by Hutton, who was expected to publish his
report early next year, Richard Dearlove, head of the British secret service
MI6, said that the information contained in the intelligence dossier
relating to the 45-minute claim had come froma single "established and
reliable" source serving in the Iraqi armed forces.



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