Whether or not you agree or disagree with Bush's policies, you'll be amazed
at the following poll from University of Pennsylvania.

University of Pennsylvania National Annenberg Election Survey. Nov.
28-Dec. 1, 2003. N=847 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

NOYB wrote:

Whether or not you agree or disagree with Bush's policies, you'll be amazed
at the following poll from University of Pennsylvania.

University of Pennsylvania National Annenberg Election Survey. Nov.
28-Dec. 1, 2003. N=847 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

.

"Now I'd like to ask you how you feel about George W. Bush as a
person, as opposed to how you feel about the job he is doing. Do you have a
favorable or unfavorable opinion of him as a person?"

Favor-
able
Unfav-
orable
Not
Sure

%
%
%

11/28 - 12/1/03 72 19 9
11/23-26/03 65 24 11




72% of this country has a *favorable* opinion of the man "as a person".
Since the left's hate for the man
dominates about half of the news (and *all* of NPR's news), you would think
it was higher than 19% of this
country that so despises him.





So, the conclusion is, nice guy, but total foch-up...?


--
Email sent to is never read.

Should read as follows:

11/28-12/1 72% favorable, 19% unfavorable, 9% not sure


11/23-26/03 65% favorable, 24% unfavorable, 11% not sure


I knew guys like Harry were in the minority...but I had no idea he and his
ilk were that *small* of a minority. They actually hate the man, not his
policies.



"NOYB" wrote in message
...
Whether or not you agree or disagree with Bush's policies, you'll be
amazed
at the following poll from University of Pennsylvania.

University of Pennsylvania National Annenberg Election Survey. Nov.
28-Dec. 1, 2003. N=847 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

.

"Now I'd like to ask you how you feel about George W. Bush as a
person, as opposed to how you feel about the job he is doing. Do you have
a
favorable or unfavorable opinion of him as a person?"

Favor-
able
Unfav-
orable
Not
Sure

%
%
%

11/28 - 12/1/03 72 19 9
11/23-26/03 65 24 11




72% of this country has a *favorable* opinion of the man "as a person".
Since the left's hate for the man
dominates about half of the news (and *all* of NPR's news), you would
think
it was higher than 19% of this
country that so despises him.

I dunno Harry. This one has me totally perplexed. There is an absolute
venom towards Bush on your side of the aisle. I've read articles from
writers who stated they hate even the way he walks. Yet, that message only
seems to come to those liberals that have a strong interest in politics.
Obviously, the hate message isn't resonating with the great majority of the
country.

His job approval ratings have been 52% for some time. His job disapproval
rating is 34%, which has been falling. That means out of every 100 people,
19 hate his guts...no matter what policies he adopts. An additional 15
dislike his policies. However, 52 like his policies. The remaining 14 have
no favorable or unfavorable opinion on his policies.

I guess it's safe to assume that those 14 without opinions on his policy
will either a) not vote, or b) vote for Bush because he's affable.

Either way, it seems he'll be hard to beat.







"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Whether or not you agree or disagree with Bush's policies, you'll be
amazed
at the following poll from University of Pennsylvania.

University of Pennsylvania National Annenberg Election Survey.
Nov.
28-Dec. 1, 2003. N=847 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

.

"Now I'd like to ask you how you feel about George W. Bush as a
person, as opposed to how you feel about the job he is doing. Do you
have a
favorable or unfavorable opinion of him as a person?"

Favor-
able
Unfav-
orable
Not
Sure

%
%
%

11/28 - 12/1/03 72 19 9
11/23-26/03 65 24 11




72% of this country has a *favorable* opinion of the man "as a person".
Since the left's hate for the man
dominates about half of the news (and *all* of NPR's news), you would
think
it was higher than 19% of this
country that so despises him.





So, the conclusion is, nice guy, but total foch-up...?


--
Email sent to is never read.

In article ,
says...
Should read as follows:

11/28-12/1 72% favorable, 19% unfavorable, 9% not sure


11/23-26/03 65% favorable, 24% unfavorable, 11% not sure


I knew guys like Harry were in the minority...but I had no idea he and his
ilk were that *small* of a minority. They actually hate the man, not his
policies.

I don't think people hate him as a man, lots of people hate his policies
and disagree with his ambitions.

You can have all the respect in the world for a man and still consider
him wrong for a job.

The numbers?

It's the turkey surprise. Bush's numbers will fall as his little
adventure into the mid-east drags on. Americans don't have a lot of
patience to spare.

Turkey platter shots only go so far, reality will wash the tide back in.

jps

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Should read as follows:

11/28-12/1 72% favorable, 19% unfavorable, 9% not sure


11/23-26/03 65% favorable, 24% unfavorable, 11% not sure


I knew guys like Harry were in the minority...but I had no idea he and
his
ilk were that *small* of a minority. They actually hate the man, not
his
policies.

I don't think people hate him as a man, lots of people hate his policies
and disagree with his ambitions.

This particular poll asked about a person's opinion of Bush "as a
person"...policies aside.

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...

Should read as follows:

11/28-12/1 72% favorable, 19% unfavorable, 9% not sure


11/23-26/03 65% favorable, 24% unfavorable, 11% not sure


I knew guys like Harry were in the minority...but I had no idea he and his
ilk were that *small* of a minority. They actually hate the man, not his
policies.


I don't think people hate him as a man, lots of people hate his policies

Care to tell us which ones??

the ones that returned lefty taxes to the tax payers so they can decide
for themselves how to live their lives?? instead of faceless unelected
cretins like you deciding what should be done with other peoples' money, or

The policies that stopped the US (& us) from making the biggest mistake
of all time & signing kyoto?? Gee even you must now realise it was a
load of potentially very damaging BS & will make no different to global
warming anyway, even if we did want to make a difference. Gees louise
even your communist mates in russia have trigged now, or

are you referring to those policies that have stopped the terrorists
dead in their tracks such that despite them trying there's been no more
attacks on the US, or

are you referring to those policies that have clipped the wings of the
very few corporate cowboys & now commercial confidence is returning as
shown in the economic numbers?

Remember you say it's "his" policies your herd don't like so tell us
about them.

and disagree with his ambitions.

Which "ambitions"?? Personally he's made it to the top so I guess you
mean his "ambitions" for the American people??

to make the US safe from terrorists or any other nuts??

to get the US economy moving again despite the rest of the world (save
us) having fallen in an economic hole??

to make hard working people have the rewards left after tax, so they
aspire to better things, yes maybe even you can leave your walmart job jps?

to get noisy minorities snorts out of the publicly funded trough, gee
now I see your problem jps you being a govt funded bludger are
definitely at risk.


You can have all the respect in the world for a man and still consider
him wrong for a job.

Gee he was appointed by the people & those same people are smart enough
to see through your personal abuse of him. Given there's no coherent
alternative, that can even stop fighting amongst itself; they'll extend
his appointment.

The numbers?

It's the turkey surprise. Bush's numbers will fall as his little
adventure into the mid-east drags on. Americans don't have a lot of
patience to spare.

The world is impressed & it's Bush who has lifted the reputation of the
US after the fiascoes of the loony left administrations.


Turkey platter shots only go so far, reality will wash the tide back in.

But it was a good thing to do for the brave troops yes?? can you
imagine Mr makeup clinton going anywhere near a war zone to support the
troops or if you want a good giggle try imagining Al Gore!!!, his comb
over would get ruffled by the helicopter:-) :-)

Are you ready to tell us about these jobs appointments you & Harry as
"employers" are making yet??? Na??? didn't expect so; lefty lies upon
lefty lies & nary a turtle to be found.



jps


K

Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)



I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my


staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.


I need more staff because 2004 is a major election year and business
booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
production coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
the economy, other than using it as reason to defeat Republicrap
candidates.


I'm doing my part to ease unemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my

staff. Will be putting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.




We have first-class benefits, including a top-of-the-line health
insurance plan, a non-contributory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
and a life insurance policy equal to annual salary. We contribute a
share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Our employees
pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, but
that's going up next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shut down from noon on
Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
of paid sick leave a year. And we have an outside company administering
pre-tax flexible bennies for our employees.
Our fringe benefit package follows the trade union model, except, of
course, for the profit contributions to 401k's. Trade unions are
not-for-profit enterprises.
How do these compare to the bennies at your shop?

Paid? Every year? I call "bull****". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year.
Are
they hourly employees? For a "small business", that's the road to
bankruptcy.

Boy...and you had me going there for a minute.

Not quite so simple, though you are trying hard to make it so. Our
business is up because we're on the cusp of an election year. Our
business always goes up in a major election year.
You could say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 because Bush is
such a total failure.


The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off unless those
days are used. None of our people abuses sick leave. In fact, no one as
yet has even come close to using 20 sick days in one year. They're there
in case they're needed.


Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.

The company provides an insurance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of purchasing
an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
maximum is $4,000 per month. With the buy up, the limit is increased to
$10,000 per month.



Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);

I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
the new boat
industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was
sold...every
cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
full-retail, too.


He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a
solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
great rates.



As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory,
and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and
participated in
deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important
than who
was giving them blow jobs.

Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except
Bush, and I
worked once for his father.



My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be
hit by
a mild hurricane. No
one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk.
Preferably early in July.


We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold
clear, a
broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida
lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners
hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary
assignments
they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full
years. So,
we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any,
either.
The proceeds were prudently invested.

The PWC was won as
a prize in a raffle.



Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his
office?
Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two







"around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were
sold
as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run.
Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he
wanted
it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's
main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of
manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
workers at these places could fix anything.


Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
But he still
called bumpers bumpers.
--



Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
*exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He
also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to
them
as "jerry-built."


From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a
year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage
of *all*
outboards sold in his home state for those years.


This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to
right after
the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his
warehouse, I found
wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
Evinrude 8015
50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for
winning some
outboard stock utility or hydroplane race.

I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop
as head
mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still
brand-new. I
have no idea who might own it now.



He also built
boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
just been an occasional boat owner.


Besides, I worked off and on in the
boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
knee-deep in boat heritage.


Oh,
and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it
wasn't for
what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
back in body bags.


During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings
for the
Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use
them on
smaller
landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrude
himself.
My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.



Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
unde your
command? I have.


My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.




Here are some:

Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60
mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe



Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard
Wood to
Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway
home it
started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a
large
popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I
pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA
is still
there.

Sure was a pretty little car.


Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
my professional writings on building structure and the effects on
it of
hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of
these
in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching,
photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate,
topical and well-received by their intended audiences.


A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait,
tackle

and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats
were not
used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
hulls. A
guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by
manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
reasons
-liner and then hull fractures.







Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he
even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it
was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.

Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the
centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.

After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride"
story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered,
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for
what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a
small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-)


1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of
"bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.

2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am
entitled to
break them in exercise of my license.

3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly
referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.

4. She's 20 years younger than I am.



Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political"
consulting
jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the
races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract
that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was
offered a job up here that represented a significant professional
career
move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of
it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer
and my bride just returned from a business trip there.

I swear this is true.


Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and
hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby.

So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
water...?"

Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own
a boat?
And why are you so crabby?
Maybe these two factors are related?



One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
every day, but she doesn't own it.

I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your
wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you
turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it.

No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console
with,
if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to
the Gulf Stream.


Bride and I caught and released:

1 white marlin
12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
Assorted red snappers
1 amberjack
2 jack crevalle jacks
1 snook
Nondescript sharks

Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
hospital for forensic patients?
Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for
substance abusers?
Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol?
Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner
practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help
for substance abuse problems?


Licensed psychotherapist
Screening as to character and background for each degree earned
On-going screening by faculty while in educational system
Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus,
at the same
time, supervision by a licensed professional.
Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist
for two years
of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure
Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed
practitioners
Four hour written examination on state laws
Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice

My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier.

My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous
sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such
"treatment"
is part of being in the mental health professions.


You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour,
until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
feelings of boatable inadequacy.


She is a licensed, practicing
psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
day. Which can be taken any way one likes.


1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know?
And much of
Freud is passe.

My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.

They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up
Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.


1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.

2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of
mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong
to an
after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were
court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every
call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had
the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of
every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
tried to block his number.

Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people,
they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
police.

In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or
court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a
number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE
(duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely
because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are
investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and
Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been
able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of
course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several
suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of
all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are
either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make
such calls.


The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious
calls came in
from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace.
The local
police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when
it was
discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got
involved. At
least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can
tell, he
has not posted here again

"K Smith" wrote in message:


the ones that returned lefty taxes to the tax payers so they can decide
for themselves how to live their lives?? instead of faceless unelected
cretins like you deciding what should be done with other peoples' money,
or


I'll just reply to your first idea and leave the other ones for others:
"Returning" taxes when running huge
deficits and increasing discretionary spending at an amazing rate is
not "returning" any money. Bush likes to say "it's your money" but
it's also "your" debt. Or, more probably, debt that you are passing
on to your kids. ~ How about I borrow $100 in your name and
give you $50 of it? Sounds good to me.

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 05:47:01 +0000, WaIIy wrote:

The old gay/lesbian/black/transgendered/fat/bisexual stalwarts ain't
gonna carry the election.

Just a thought, the traditional Republican power base is white males (80%
of white males consider themselves Republican). Now if one were to look
at demographics and growth . . . Republicans might want to consider
expanding that base.

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:14:00 +0000, NOYB wrote:

I dunno Harry. This one has me totally perplexed. There is an absolute
venom towards Bush on your side of the aisle. I've read articles from
writers who stated they hate even the way he walks. Yet, that message
only seems to come to those liberals that have a strong interest in
politics. Obviously, the hate message isn't resonating with the great
majority of the country.

That venom has been with us for some time, and isn't limited to one side
of the aisle. I never liked Clinton, but to this day, I am amazed at the
rabid hatred he inspires in some. Personally, I don't think either
President is deserving of hatred, and find the polarization troubling and
dangerous. I suspect the reasons lie in both sides perceptions that
Washington can not effectively run the country. Blame for this is often
the "other side".