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Please spread this word around, it's for our own good. Cheers! Jeff Let me be the first to say NO to Walmart. I will go and scream it at their front door. I will, however, continue to shop there. Steve I'm with Steve on this. Reason being is that Walmart is only one of the many many companies in the US that do this. I worked at General Electric Aircraft Engine supplier companies and GE buyers are *******s the way they treat the suppliers. Are you not going to fly or buy lightbulbs? Its the whole republican support the corporation screw the working guy thing that needs to be fought. Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. |
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"Just In Time" wrote in message om... Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!! Walmart has gotten too big and it uses its power to exert over us. No one can blame Wal-Mart for being abusive afterall, it's us, the consumers, who gave the power to them! We are irresponsible and greedy because we want the cheapest prices! I have to admit that I am guilty as well as I do shop occasionally at you know where! (but that's to change from now on) Jeff I will buy from whomever I want to buy from and when I want too buy. I do not let others dictate my preferences. It is the American way. Tex Houston |
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"Just In Time" wrote in message om... Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!! Walmart has gotten too big and it uses its power to exert over us. No one can blame Wal-Mart for being abusive afterall, it's us, the consumers, who gave the power to them! We are irresponsible and greedy because we want the cheapest prices! I have to admit that I am guilty as well as I do shop occasionally at you know where! (but that's to change from now on) Jeff I will buy from whomever I want to buy from and when I want too buy. I do not let others dictate my preferences. It is the American way. Tex Houston Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences. I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient. I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the closest at the time. Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?). Tex |
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Tex Houston wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences. I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient. I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the closest at the time. Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?). Tex As I stated previously, you don't seem capable of thinking abstractly. Wal-Mart is deciding where you will shop. Think it through. Think of all the stores that close because of Wal-Mart. Think of all the American workers out of a decent job because of Wal-Mart. Think of the varieties of selection diminished because of Wal-Mart. Got it? -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... As I stated previously, you don't seem capable of thinking abstractly. Wal-Mart is deciding where you will shop. Think it through. Think of all the stores that close because of Wal-Mart. Think of all the American workers out of a decent job because of Wal-Mart. Think of the varieties of selection diminished because of Wal-Mart. Got it? If a store was not competive in price, service, etc allowing a Wal*Mart to achive a market share starting with one unit, was that store serving our interest in the first place? If Wal*Mart leaves an opening for a competitor due to 'not minding the store' (pun intended) a competitor will indeed appear. You've singled out one store but the model appears in all marketplaces. How much variety is there in an average mall? I live in an area of about 500,000 people and still tend to buy downtown where the stores are individual setups but why would I condemn a chain because they saw a need and fulfilled it. Sam Walton must have satisfied a need for someone. My first experience with them was not a good one as the store was quite small, crowded with merchandise and not all that clean. That store is no longer open. We did not have a store here at the time and I wondered...is this what all the talk is about? Tex |
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In article ,
"Tex Houston" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences. I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient. I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the closest at the time. Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?). Tex Except in this case, it isn't the marketplace deciding. Wal-mart forces manufacturers to meet their specs. "We will *ONLY* carry laundry soap packaged in 410 gram plastic buckets shipped as pallets 4 layers high, and we will only pay $X.YY per unit for it - No, we don't care that your cardboard box packaging at 413 grams per unit is more cost-effective or environmentally freindly. No, we don't care that the customer WANTS the 413 gram box, and that you can give it to us for a third of the cost of the 410 gram tub. Either do it our way, or we go to your competition, the XYZ soap company, and shut you out of the market completely." Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other competition in a town out, leaving no option. Wal-mart pays their employees next to nothing, and, simply fires all employees and shuts the store down at the first hint of union activity that could force them into paying a competitive wage in a store. Despite the fact that I hate unions with a passion, this is *WRONG*. The pay that a Wal-mart employee takes home isn't sufficient for them to shop anyplace BUT Wal-mart, and there have been rumors (you decide yourself about the fallacy or reality - to *ME* they're rumors. To someone else, they may be "This happened to me") of Wal-mart employees being seen in other stores one day coming in to work the next day to find they've been given their walking papers. Never, of course, for any reason related to being in the other store, but hey, who on this planet doesn't have *SOMETHING* that can be used against them to legitimize their firing? Tex, it isn't that Wal-mart is "bad" in and of itself. I'll argue against anyone who claims it is. It's the fact that Wal-Mart is, much like Microsoft, forcing consumers to give up choice through pressure that can only be applied by someone with a monopoly or near-monopoly position in the market. "I used to buy my tuna in 10 ounce cans, but all you've got on the shelf are 8 ounce cans at half again the price. When are you going to get the regular cans back in? We're not. Buy what we sell, or suffer with nothing." The worst part is, in MANY MANY MANY places, that's exactly what the customer *MUST* do: Wal-mart has driven all competition out of town, and the only place to shop is there. Which is exactly what their operating goal is: Shut down anything that looks like competition, either indirectly, through their massive size and attendant ability to almost literally give merchandise away until there's noplace left in town for customers to turn to (the "company store in a company town" concept) or they outright buy up and shut down any competition that doesn't fold from the first method. Wal-mart as a concept is great. Wal-mart as a reality is the death-knell for a town's economy. Don't take my word for it - look around and see how many towns that have had a Wal-mart move in are losing their other retailers in numbers that are hard to believe. No, Tex, it isn't about letting the marketplace decide. It's about keeping the marketplace from being decided for you by the corporate power that is Wal-mart. -- Don Bruder - --- Preferred Email - SpamAssassinated. Hate SPAM? See http://www.spamassassin.org for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/Horses/FlyTrap/index.html |
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Our jobs are going overseas because
our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of business starting next month. What will the next sacrifice be? Quality? Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper sources of labor, will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead? WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class." In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-( One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses? |
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You want to pay high prices while everyone else pays low prices? Go
ahead and be a Wal-Martyr if you want. Your statement illustrates the problem: For most consumers, the only decision to make is *price.* If Osama Bin Ladin figured out how to supply new, HDTV flat screen televisions to the US market for $129 a copy- millions of people would line up to buy them and use "low price, free market," defenses for an anti-American decision. Keep on giving your paycheck to WalMart. When we finally arrive at where they are tyring to take us, you'll wonder how the heck we ever got there. And where did that "low price" go, anyway? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... As I stated previously, you don't seem capable of thinking abstractly. Wal-Mart is deciding where you will shop. Think it through. Think of all the stores that close because of Wal-Mart. Think of all the American workers out of a decent job because of Wal-Mart. Think of the varieties of selection diminished because of Wal-Mart. Actually I have access to a wider variety of merchandise today than I could ever possibly need. Wal-Mart sells discount goods and this only makes up a small portion of the overall consumer market. I go there when they have something that I need. That only happens a few times a year. |
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"Don Bruder" wrote in message
... Either do it our way, or we go to your competition, the XYZ soap company, and shut you out of the market completely." Not true at all. There are plenty of other stores to sell their goods. I buy all of my soap and detergent at the local grocery store. I don't make a separate trip to Wal-Mart. Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other competition in a town out, leaving no option. Not true. I have more stores to shop at than I could ever visit. This includes two super Wal-Marts and two Sam's Clubs within 10 miles. I just don't go there all that often, even though I do have a Sam's Club membership. |
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Chuck,
I agree with you. I try to give my business to the small business owner. They are the ones who pioneered to make this country what it was. At the present rate the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. We know what that eventually leads to. Government should represent the people as a whole rather than the rich political special interest groups. Enough said. Paul "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of business starting next month. What will the next sacrifice be? Quality? Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper sources of labor, will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead? WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class." In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-( One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses? |
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Tex,
What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on a staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will it do to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job. I hope he'll support mine. Paul "Tex Houston" wrote in message ... "Just In Time" wrote in message om... Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!! Walmart has gotten too big and it uses its power to exert over us. No one can blame Wal-Mart for being abusive afterall, it's us, the consumers, who gave the power to them! We are irresponsible and greedy because we want the cheapest prices! I have to admit that I am guilty as well as I do shop occasionally at you know where! (but that's to change from now on) Jeff I will buy from whomever I want to buy from and when I want too buy. I do not let others dictate my preferences. It is the American way. Tex Houston |
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Don,
Well stated! Paul "Don Bruder" wrote in message ... In article , "Tex Houston" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences. I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient. I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the closest at the time. Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?). Tex Except in this case, it isn't the marketplace deciding. Wal-mart forces manufacturers to meet their specs. "We will *ONLY* carry laundry soap packaged in 410 gram plastic buckets shipped as pallets 4 layers high, and we will only pay $X.YY per unit for it - No, we don't care that your cardboard box packaging at 413 grams per unit is more cost-effective or environmentally freindly. No, we don't care that the customer WANTS the 413 gram box, and that you can give it to us for a third of the cost of the 410 gram tub. Either do it our way, or we go to your competition, the XYZ soap company, and shut you out of the market completely." Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other competition in a town out, leaving no option. Wal-mart pays their employees next to nothing, and, simply fires all employees and shuts the store down at the first hint of union activity that could force them into paying a competitive wage in a store. Despite the fact that I hate unions with a passion, this is *WRONG*. The pay that a Wal-mart employee takes home isn't sufficient for them to shop anyplace BUT Wal-mart, and there have been rumors (you decide yourself about the fallacy or reality - to *ME* they're rumors. To someone else, they may be "This happened to me") of Wal-mart employees being seen in other stores one day coming in to work the next day to find they've been given their walking papers. Never, of course, for any reason related to being in the other store, but hey, who on this planet doesn't have *SOMETHING* that can be used against them to legitimize their firing? Tex, it isn't that Wal-mart is "bad" in and of itself. I'll argue against anyone who claims it is. It's the fact that Wal-Mart is, much like Microsoft, forcing consumers to give up choice through pressure that can only be applied by someone with a monopoly or near-monopoly position in the market. "I used to buy my tuna in 10 ounce cans, but all you've got on the shelf are 8 ounce cans at half again the price. When are you going to get the regular cans back in? We're not. Buy what we sell, or suffer with nothing." The worst part is, in MANY MANY MANY places, that's exactly what the customer *MUST* do: Wal-mart has driven all competition out of town, and the only place to shop is there. Which is exactly what their operating goal is: Shut down anything that looks like competition, either indirectly, through their massive size and attendant ability to almost literally give merchandise away until there's noplace left in town for customers to turn to (the "company store in a company town" concept) or they outright buy up and shut down any competition that doesn't fold from the first method. Wal-mart as a concept is great. Wal-mart as a reality is the death-knell for a town's economy. Don't take my word for it - look around and see how many towns that have had a Wal-mart move in are losing their other retailers in numbers that are hard to believe. No, Tex, it isn't about letting the marketplace decide. It's about keeping the marketplace from being decided for you by the corporate power that is Wal-mart. -- Don Bruder - --- Preferred Email - SpamAssassinated. Hate SPAM? See http://www.spamassassin.org for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/Horses/FlyTrap/index.html |
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Gene,
Exactly right. We complain about our corporation's short term obsession but if we, as consumers , only look at the price, we'll put ourselves out of business as a nation of independent business people. Maybe it's an atmosphere of greed rather than solidarity. Paul "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On 27 Nov 2003 21:55:06 -0800, (Just In Time) wrote: Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!! I've pretty much stopped buying from wally-world. I think everybody should stop and examine what these mega chains do to the economy. This is all about buying quality-challenged stuff dirt cheap and the net result is settling for less that"better," sending most of you hard earned cash overseas, and putting a lot of the smaller service oriented Ma&Pa's out of business. When you can't find a chandlery or tackle shop, you'll see what I mean. Try asking your local wally-world trained barcode scanner associate where and how to use 5200 or what type of rig to use for yellow-fin. You'll glimpse a snapshot of the future. We, as Americans, can really do better for ourselves. |
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Chuck,
Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever they like, they'll be no more competitors left. Paul "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You want to pay high prices while everyone else pays low prices? Go ahead and be a Wal-Martyr if you want. Your statement illustrates the problem: For most consumers, the only decision to make is *price.* If Osama Bin Ladin figured out how to supply new, HDTV flat screen televisions to the US market for $129 a copy- millions of people would line up to buy them and use "low price, free market," defenses for an anti-American decision. Keep on giving your paycheck to WalMart. When we finally arrive at where they are tyring to take us, you'll wonder how the heck we ever got there. And where did that "low price" go, anyway? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tex Houston wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Ahh, but if you were capable of thinking abstractly, you would realize that Wal-Mart in many ways *is* dictating your preferences. I have no Wal*Mart preference but I will shop there when it is convenient. I just resent some individual with their own axe to grind trying to tell me where to shop. If I want to shop discount store I tend to shop at the closest at the time. Let the marketplace decide (Economics 101?). Tex As I stated previously, you don't seem capable of thinking abstractly. Wal-Mart is deciding where you will shop. Think it through. Think of all the stores that close because of Wal-Mart. Think of all the American workers out of a decent job because of Wal-Mart. Think of the varieties of selection diminished because of Wal-Mart. Got it? Nope and you don't either. Within 5 miles of my home are at least 20 clothing stores, 5 drug stores, 9 Ace and Tru-Value Hardware stores, 3 nurseries, 7 grocery stores, 4 book sellers, 3 shoe stores, 2 mega toy stores, 2 super-mega electronics stores, countless gas stations, sundry independent retailers and two Super Wal-Marts. I have lived in 6 large and small towns in the last 15 years. In each case when Wal-Mart/Sam's Club, Costco, Home Depot or Lowe's came to town all the small INEFFICIENT retails sang songs of woe. In every case, those retailers who studies their markets and offered selection and service survived and prospered. Those who had been lazy and grossly overcharging their customers promptly went out of business; deservedly so. Tell me again how Wal-Mart has diminished my shopping choices. -- Dave Thompson |
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"Don Bruder" wrote in message ... Except in this case, it isn't the marketplace deciding. Wal-mart forces manufacturers to meet their specs. "We will *ONLY* carry laundry soap packaged in 410 gram plastic buckets shipped as pallets 4 layers high, and we will only pay $X.YY per unit for it - No, we don't care that your cardboard box packaging at 413 grams per unit is more cost-effective or environmentally freindly. No, we don't care that the customer WANTS the 413 gram box, and that you can give it to us for a third of the cost of the 410 gram tub. Either do it our way, or we go to your competition, the XYZ soap company, and shut you out of the market completely." Is it that you don't have a clue or do you have a personal axe to grind? Sears in its power days, set detailed standards on merchandise to include 100% house branding. If you didn't want to manufacture to their specs, you didn't do business with Sears. It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they drive past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that mega-chain run Mom and Pop grocers out of business? -- Dave Thompson |
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on a staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will it do to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job. I hope he'll support mine. Paul Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made. Write back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your "American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those. Steve |
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If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local
Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck. Dan Harry Krause wrote: Roy wrote: Well if Wal Mart is continually rolling back prices everyday as they claim to be, then, why is nothing being given away for free yet? Inquiring minds want to know! Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wifes, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. Their employees are almost free... |
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message ... Chuck, Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever they like, they'll be no more competitors left. Paul Then somebody else will open another store. Its not like there is a limited supply of stores that can ever be opened. |
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Dan Krueger wrote:
If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck. Dan Harry Krause wrote: Roy wrote: Well if Wal Mart is continually rolling back prices everyday as they claim to be, then, why is nothing being given away for free yet? Inquiring minds want to know! Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com Opinions expressed are those of my wifes, I had no input whatsoever. Remove "nospam" from email addy. Their employees are almost free... Most of the folks who work at Wal-Mart are not kids. Many of them depend upon that little Wal-Mart paycheck. These people are being exploited by Wal-Mart, as is just about everyone else. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Then somebody else will open another store.
and sell what? a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you win, but sorry competition is competition. It's you the consumer, if you can get the same quality at a lower price , then exercise your free choice & buy what you want. Thank people like Walmart for taking the commercial risks involved in protecting your right to choose. WALMART doesn't tell a mfg that they *must* build in China- only that if they can't meet or beat the price of those who do they are, effectively, out of business starting next month. China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China & exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in the US, no it's all govt. "planned". They have zones which allow certain factories to be built for export & it's mostly only the big people who can meet their endless "rules", then & only then will that factory be "allowed" (licensed) to export. Yes they give free sites in the "zones" & assistance to encourage big players to set up there, however once in operation they try to tax the bejeesus out of any profits etc, needless to say the mostly US owned factories, can play that game reasonably well. The end result is with all the surrounding BS corruption & featherbedding of "licensed" middlemen China is not "cheap. I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as they remain socialist we're safe. What will the next sacrifice be? Quality? Very well maybe, although walmart stuff isn't exactly high tech:-), whatever don't worry about it too much Chuck because you'll still have your free choice to assess if the quality price mix suits you before you buy, just allow every other individual the same free choice that's all. I can assure you if individuals weren't buying things they wouldn't be selling them for long. Or, when WALMART can no longer increase profits by forcing suppliers to cheaper sources of labor, Again this is your socialist mantra, "wages" are a small part of the issue, it's the union demanded BS that really costs & then the silent partners at ever turn which make the license holders, corruption, etc. in China look tame. Even the local council tries to "extra" tax Corps in the GM style what's good for us is good for .... Anyone not subject to rigorous & constant pressure from competition gets slack, excessive wages & perks leach like leeches through every sector, one always trying to best the other & the only thing that puts any sort of lid on it is consumer resistance at the retail level when the price/quality mix gets too far out of whack. will WALMART raise prices? Will we soon be paying as much as we used to pay for a US built, item but buying stuff from China instead? It's always "your" individual choice, there will always be people eager to supply widgets from somewhere, even from within the US at a lower price, it's giving each individual that free choice that you should be worried about protecting, not corrupt union thugs ala Harry. WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just parrot it. If you artificially protect anyone, worker, management, Corp, or whatever from competition they will have no incentive to be efficient. Yes in the short term the "chosen" noisy few will clean up big time because they can just raise prices or lower quality & there's not much you the consumer can do, they've effectively stolen your free choice. These few industries rarely actually sell much overseas because...., well they're overpriced & low quality so other consumers who still have a choice just laugh. Needless to say with no market expansion available these "chosen" noisy few who are effectively stealing from every other non protected worker/consumer just sit back & well...... become Harrys behind their wall of protection & apparent union power. Notice how unions seem to predominate in the industries that need the rest of you to subsidise that sector every time you buy??? even if you purchase the imported item, you're still subsidising the parasites??? So your country gets less & less foreign dollars in to pay these overpriced lower quality manufacturers, which means your country needs to borrow more money from overseas (you're the one wingeing about this just the other day Chuck) so either your currency drops (i.e most things will cost more because debts effectively go up) or your interest rates go up to attract more foreign money (i.e. most things cost more) I give you your car industry as an historical case study or you can watch it in real time with your steel industry. (ours too by the way, but the players are the same:-) In Walmart's world, there is no middle class. Unless $9 an hour, with a few extra hours thrown in unpaid every week, is going to be the new "middle class." It's not the shareholders of Walmart's job to protect you nor anyone else, they take a considerable risk with their own money by investing in walmart, hoping to make a return better than putting it in safe banks interest etc. In order to make that return walmart are just trying to satisfy your demands for products that meet your standards of price vs quality. Sure you can be a good little socialist soldier & refuse to buy things from China in an extra effort to subsidise your unionist mates, or slack management, or voracious local authorities, state govts making unrealistic demands, or the noisy greenies, that's hopefully always your choice & you should be thankful they're there giving it to you. But let others have the same "free" choice. All levels need constant pressure on them to be more efficient particularly in the west the "silent" partners, the instrumentalities, the councils, the state govts, the unilateralists. I give you CA as a case study. (Can it be right 1 in 7 workers is on the govt payroll??? scary bananas!!) In Walmart's World, there are some opportunities for better income. If you're willing to work 50-51 weeks a year, 12-18 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, you can eventually rise to "store manager" and approach 6-figures a year. :-( So what you're saying is all US corps should be "protected" from competition so they can be as inefficient as they like, badly managed as they like, pay whatever their local competition pays when the union make industry wide claims, so even at the individual's level a good hard & smart worker gets no more than a Harry type.??? America won't be great much longer if you try that, even a little. One of the great hypocrisies of the WalMart culture is the great emphasis on quality "family" experiences. How many of the managers working 80 hours a week or more have any quality time left to spend with the family? How many of the people earing $9 an hour get to go home after work, rather than to the second,part time job they need to pay basic living expenses? So again you're a protectionist, which usually means you want someone else to subsidise your lifestyle every time they purchase something, & you want to be exempt from any competitive pressure to individually perform. Thankfully it's mostly only the Harry types that subscribe to this view. K |
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K Smith wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote: Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you win, but sorry competition is competition. It's actually the fight for the bottom. You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen. China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China & exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in the US, no it's all govt. "planned". China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the total absence of any sort of standards. I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as they remain socialist we're safe. Safe from what? You? WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just parrot it. It's absolute truth. Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from shoepolish. How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone else's trademark. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Don Bruder" wrote in message
... Wal-mart forces customers to shop only there through the fact that by sheer size (ignore the pressure they apply to manufacturers that I mentioned above for the moment) they can and do run any other competition in a town out, leaving no option. They don't force the customer to do ANYTHING. Customers get what they deserve. They're lazy, so they never figure out that they can get any product they want, anywhere they want, as cheaply as they can at Wal Mart. 1) Big ticket items: How often does one family buy a TV? So, they buy a $250 Sanyo TV at Wal Mart, and probably never discover that they could've had the same set at Circuit City for the same price or better. Wal Mart may have more stores, but they actually buy less TVs than Best Buy, Sears or Circuit City. The customer doesn't shop for a TV that often, and less "buying cycles" means there's almost no possibility that they'll discover they could've gotten a better deal. 2) Groceries: In fact, if customers did what newspaper reporters sometimes do, and compare prices for SPECIFIC AND EQUIVALENT ITEMS OVER SEVERAL SHOPPING TRIPS, they'd find that they actually spend the same or less at traditional supermarkets. But, customers don't do this. They're sheep. They believe whatever they're told, and WM tells them everything's cheaper there. What's pathetic is that with groceries, you have an opportunity every single week to see that you're being snookered. If your idea of a bargain is saving 82 cents on a $150 cart of groceries, and waiting 40 minutes in line to pay for it, then you're a shmuck, your time is worthless, and you deserve to spend half your afternoon at WM. This is especially true if you make the same mistake 52 or more times per year. 3) Clothing: Who the hell knows? So much of it's proprietary to WM that you can't comparison shop. But, if you can't tell the difference between a $12 Lands End T-shirt that lasts for 8 years and still looks good, and a $2.00 rag from WM, then you should buy the rag. As far as equivalent brands, I just shopped for jeans and found Sears to be a buck cheaper than WM for the exact same product. If WM had my size, I would've bought it, rather than guzzle a gallon of gas going to Sears, but it doesn't change the fact that the jeans would've have been cheaper somewhere else. |
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"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
news:nKOxb.8111$ZE1.2358@fed1read04... It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they drive past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that mega-chain run Mom and Pop grocers out of business? Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... Then somebody else will open another store. and sell what? a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart The only suppliers that would be fatally hurt without WM are the ones which make their private label goods. As far as being in bed with WM, they treat their suppliers so badly that if another retailer came along who could move the necessary volume, they'd head in that direction very quickly. A friend of mine does sales training, and he was recently speaking to a group of wholesale sporting goods reps. He got a tip: Don't bother looking for a good selection of Shakespeare rods & reels at WM in certain markets. The goods are being shuffled to stores like Gander Mountain Sports, who've insisted that there be "shortages" for Wal Mart. Prices are very slightly higher at Gander Mountain, but nothing that would bother the retail customer. The reasoning my friend was given was very simple: Upscale stores will also sell St Croix & Browning fishing rods, and that lends an air of quality even to the cheaper stuff that's two feet away in the display rack. Shakespeare sells MORE rods, not less. So does Shimano and everyone else. |
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
... Tex, What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy American? I always tried to do that with clothing because there was a point where I began to notice that the quality was MUCH better. Now, just TRY and find clothing or shoes made here. It's next to impossible. Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to constant problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being bent over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same treatment. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Gould 0738 wrote: Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you win, but sorry competition is competition. It's actually the fight for the bottom. You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen. Now there's the usual Harry abuse. China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China & exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in the US, no it's all govt. "planned". China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the total absence of any sort of standards. So because you're a racist this is just you saying the Chinese are stupid, well guess what............ I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as they remain socialist we're safe. Safe from what? You? Safe from you union types. WALMART's vision for America is a place where a $9 an hour job, with no benefits, is a *great* opportunity. They envision a country where obedient workers volunteer to work off the clock every week, and where all will shop a the "company store." This is protectionist poppycock & you have more brains than to just parrot it. It's absolute truth. Yet another overwrought, right-wing post from Karen Elizabeth Smith of Australia, who once again proves that she doesn't know scheiss from shoepolish. How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone else's trademark. You & your simpleton mate Jack the whack, don't seem to know much. There are "classes" Harry, if you look there are many many registrations of the exact same trade marks in most jurisdictions, last time I looked there were about 18 in the US of mine. You know toys vs marine engines???? Surely even you can grasp this simple concept???? However the name can only be validly registered once in each "class". That's why I have the exact same mark registered twice here & only one there. I know better than to expect the truth from you of course. K Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long. Needless to say he's made up many "dramatic" over the top stories over the years about this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the centre of attention, but as with his boat claims & other crap, there's never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material. After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most frightening, I do suspect he's very very dangerous & that this "bride" story is his delusional appropriation of his, probably court ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was under lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexual deviant maybe??), have a read of just a small part of his BS & make up your own mind, it's all about free choice:-) 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rules that determine the end of "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may. 2. As a professional writer, I know the rules of language and am entitled to break them in exercise of my license. 3. I doubt many married women would object to their husbands lovingly referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant. 4. She's 20 years younger than I am. Naw. What happened was that I handled a couple of "political" consulting jobs funded out of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a couple of ballot issues. Through no fault of mine, we won each of the races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I actually *know something* about the process. I was offered a contract that requires my presence in DC quite frequently. My bride also was offered a job up here that represented a significant professional career move. So, we're "up here" much of the time and "down there" the rest of it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well, really south of Jax) five times since coming "up here" late last summer and my bride just returned from a business trip there. I swear this is true. Here's a funny. My bride had to fly out to San Diego Wednesday and hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina, Kansas, which is due north of Wichita and Skippy's suburb of Derby. So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did you do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of water...?" Harry, you make over 500 posts a week to this group and you don't own a boat? And why are you so crabby? Maybe these two factors are related? One has to own something to use it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in her car every day, but she doesn't own it. I'm not crabby. You asked for advice I gave you some. I questioned your wanting to take a very small boat out into high seas and suddenly you turned sour. It's your pot; you are the one stewing in it. No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console with, if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in January (1997) when we went out, but the sky cleared once we got out to the Gulf Stream. Bride and I caught and released: 1 white marlin 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two pounds each. Pretty, pretty fish. Assorted red snappers 1 amberjack 2 jack crevalle jacks 1 snook Nondescript sharks Did you spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state hospital for forensic patients? Did you spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a county facility for substance abusers? Did you spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately half the patients were trying to beat drugs or alcohol? Are you currently chief of therapy for a for a multi-practitioner practice of some 825 patients, about a third of which are seeking help for substance abuse problems? Licensed psychotherapist Screening as to character and background for each degree earned On-going screening by faculty while in educational system Interviews and screenings for required years of internships, plus, at the same time, supervision by a licensed professional. Close professional and personal supervision by a licensed therapist for two years of employment before being allowed to apply for licensure Licensure background check, submission of recommendations by licensed practitioners Four hour written examination on state laws Five hour written examination on diagnosis, procedure and practice My wife went through this before becoming licensed. Her final internship was as a psychotherapist at a 600-bed high security state psychiatric hospital where, on a daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than your average soldier. My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state mental institution for forensic patients. She saw and treated numerous sexual deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Such "treatment" is part of being in the mental health professions. You see, I'm a nautical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hour, until their health insurance runs out, I help Bayliner owners overcome their feelings of boatable inadequacy. She is a licensed, practicing psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each day. Which can be taken any way one likes. 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know? And much of Freud is passe. My ex-wife surpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago. They're not actually "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to round-up Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade. 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office. 2. I have three phone numbers. The phone number listed is not one of mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone number *did* belong to an after-hours message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most mentally disturbed patients. Some of these troubled souls were court-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone number--every call--was recorded AND because of the nature of the line, my wife had the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone number of every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call tried to block his number. Why, you might ask? Because when you are dealing with suicidal people, they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the police. In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never received a threatening or abusive call from a mentally ill patient or court-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this newsgroup posted the hotline number in this newsgroup, she received a number of abusive, foul-mouthed AND life-threatening calls. These were mostly directed at me but, of course, I never received them BECAUSE (duh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it. Naturally, my wife alerted the authorities, with whom she works closely because of her court-referred patients. The authorities are investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and* authorities in other states, including Florida, Georgia, California and Texas. Working with the telephone company, the authorities have been able to trace the origin of virtually every abusive call. And, of course, they have the tape recordings of the abusive messages. Several suspects have been identified. I really don't know what the outcome of all this will be. We haven't had an update in several weeks, nor are either of us here that interested in the sleazeballs that would make such calls. The phone number, of course, is "wired," so when the obnoxious calls came in from the idiot rec.boaters, the numbers were easy enough to trace. The local police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when it was discovered the point of origin was out of state, the FBI got involved. At least one of the idiots was caught and prosecuted. As far as I can tell, he has not posted here again. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Then somebody else will open another store. and sell what? a retailer needs a supplier not already in bed with Walmart The only suppliers that would be fatally hurt without WM are the ones which make their private label goods. As far as being in bed with WM, they treat their suppliers so badly that if another retailer came along who could move the necessary volume, they'd head in that direction very quickly. A friend of mine does sales training, and he was recently speaking to a group of wholesale sporting goods reps. He got a tip: Don't bother looking for a good selection of Shakespeare rods & reels at WM in certain markets. The goods are being shuffled to stores like Gander Mountain Sports, who've insisted that there be "shortages" for Wal Mart. Prices are very slightly higher at Gander Mountain, but nothing that would bother the retail customer. The reasoning my friend was given was very simple: Upscale stores will also sell St Croix & Browning fishing rods, and that lends an air of quality even to the cheaper stuff that's two feet away in the display rack. Shakespeare sells MORE rods, not less. So does Shimano and everyone else. Sounds like an interesting list could be made of "101 Reasons to Avoid Wal-Mart." Health Insurance High insurance premiums and deductibles keep more than two-thirds of Wal-Mart workers from participating in the company health plan. The cost for comprehensive family coverage is about $125 every two weeks. On a wage of $8.00 an hour with about 32 hours a week--$1,000 a month, most associates can’t afford $250 a month, or 25% of gross income for health insurance. Many Wal-Mart families also are eligible for food stamps or other welfare programs. Nearly 700,000 Wal-Mart workers are forced to get health insurance coverage from the government or through spouses’ plans. Wal-Mart shifts the cost of health insurance to taxpayers and other employers, driving up the health costs for all of us. When other companiesget tired of paying the bill for Wal-Mart, they drop or reduce health care benefits for their employees. There are more than 40 million uninsured working families. The more Wal-Mart grows so do the number of the uninsured. The Walton family is worth about $102 billion--less than 1% of that could provide affordable health care for associates. Wal-Mart has increased the premium cost for workers by over 200% since 1993--medical care inflation only went up 50% in the same period. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Women at Wal-Mart: Women make up a very small percentage in the supervisory and managerial ranks. -Men hold 90% of top store manager positions and more than two-thirds of store management positions overall at Wal-Mart. -Female workers at Wal-Mart make 4.5% to 5.6% less than men doing similar jobs with similar experience levels. -Among non-salaried workers, men earned an average of 37 cents an hour more for similar work. -Male management trainees make an average of $23,175 a year, compared with $22,371 for women trainees. -The average male senior vice president makes $419,435 a year, while the four women senior vice presidents earn an average of $279,772. -In 1975, 1.7% of management positions were held by women. In 2001, about 33% of these positions were held by women — still below industry norms. -20 comparable retailers employed a greater average percentage of women in 1975, 41.6% — than Wal-Mart does today. -The greatest gaps are in Texas, Florida, and California. -Women work disproportionally in lower paying hourly jobs and earn less in these jobs. -65% of hourly workers are women. -Women who hold management positions hold the lower ranking positions, such as Customer Service Manager, Department Manager, and Support Manager. -As women are promoted through management, the disparity between their wages and those of their male counterparts increases. -Women earn less than men, despite having greater average seniority and higher performance ratings. -It takes women longer to be promoted: average time since date of hire until being first promoted in an Assistant Manager job is 4.38 years for women, 2.86 years for men. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
hlink.net... If you consider the quality of these employees, you would find them at the local Taco Bell or on the street if they didn't work there. We're not talking about skilled labor. These are generally kids who only show up for a paycheck. Dan Meanwhile, I've been to 2 K-Mart stores over the past month and found the employees to be what you'd expect to find in a custom shoe store in Italy. Attentive, clean, smart, helped me get everything I needed quickly. Nothing like the WM slobs who are not just unable to help find a specific item, but sometimes can't even tell me where an entire department is. Looks like K-Mart's looking to burn a competitor or two. |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to constant problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being bent over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same treatment. My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada. The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American car? Tex |
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"K Smith" wrote in message
... Gould 0738 wrote: Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... Oh no. Who opened the crypt and let the mummy out again? :-) |
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K Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: Gould 0738 wrote: Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... When they want to carry toasters, for example, they invite all the major manufacturers of toasters down to Arkansas and pit them against one another. During the last cost cutting cycle, everybody who wanted to sell anyhing to WALMART *had* to go to China for labor or lose out. It's referred to as "competition" Chuckster & I know you like to tag it so it's only competition when it's "competition" on your terms i.e. you win, but sorry competition is competition. It's actually the fight for the bottom. You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen. Now there's the usual Harry abuse. China is not a "cheap" place to produce as such after all they're communists like Harry:-) Small timers can't just swan into China & exercise their free choice of factory or location like you're used to in the US, no it's all govt. "planned". China uses slave labor and labor that is grossly underpaid even by the total absence of any sort of standards. So because you're a racist this is just you saying the Chinese are stupid, well guess what............ Stupid? Where did I say the Chinese were stupid? I've commented before don't be overly worried about China, so long as they remain socialist we're safe. Safe from what? You? Safe from you union types. Free trade unions eventually will improve the plight of workers in the PRC. How's that non-existent factory of yours, Karen? Your production line is up to what, zero diesel outboards a week? Cripes, you even stole someone else's trademark. You & your simpleton mate Jack the whack, don't seem to know much. There are "classes" Harry, if you look there are many many registrations of the exact same trade marks in most jurisdictions, last time I looked there were about 18 in the US of mine. You know toys vs marine engines???? Surely even you can grasp this simple concept???? How many diesel outboards did your non-existent factory produce this year, Karen? The only thing you produce is the crap you post in this newsgroup. Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his junior beautiful wife, he even put a fake pic of a beautiful woman on a website once claiming it was his "young bride", he may have a wife, although I doubt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long. I was born in 1944. My wife was born in 1962. Do the math, crap for brains. And I agree, she is quite lovely. And for sure bathes more often than you do. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"K Smith" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: Our jobs are going overseas because our politicians have no interest in fighting corporations from sending jobs overseas. Our jobs are going overseas faster than they would have partially because WALMART is so super aggressive in their buying. It's directly on behalf of you the consumer, you don't "have" to buy any particular thing; however they do "allow" you the choice. I know in a socialist dream system free choice is to be crushed at every opportunity, but you haven't got that far yet & hopefully never will......... Oh no. Who opened the crypt and let the mummy out again? :-) I'll be she was awakened by a kiss from Wally. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to constant problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're being bent over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the same treatment. My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada. The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American car? Tex At this point (since Japanese cars are rarely made there any more), it seems to be a question of design and tolerances, and that apparently makes all the difference in the world. You don't say which Chrysler you have, but chances are good that it'll be burning oil by its second year. All Chrysler vans do that, without exception, and relatively new Neons also smell pretty nasty when you're driving behind one. A Toyota won't do that until 200k miles unless you abuse the bejezus out of it. I had a 1982 Tercel that reached 180k miles. On the day someone smashed into it at 70mph and killed it, I cleaned my stuff out of the trunk before it was towed and found I had the same unopened bottle of oil I'd placed there on the day I bought it. The car ran clean as a whistle at that age, with compression better than spec across all 4 cylinders. An engineer could explain why the American designers can't seem to do this. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... Oh no. Who opened the crypt and let the mummy out again? :-) I'll be she was awakened by a kiss from Wally. ROFL!!!! Oxygen....quick! :-) |
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