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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Tex Houston" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Cars are another story. My first two cars were American, and due to
constant
problems, they almost put ME out of work. Once you realize you're
being
bent
over like a newcomer in a prison, it's silly to submit to more or the
same
treatment.

My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in
Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex


At this point (since Japanese cars are rarely made there any more), it
seems
to be a question of design and tolerances, and that apparently makes all
the
difference in the world. You don't say which Chrysler you have, but
chances
are good that it'll be burning oil by its second year. All Chrysler vans
do
that, without exception, and relatively new Neons also smell pretty nasty
when you're driving behind one. A Toyota won't do that until 200k miles
unless you abuse the bejezus out of it. I had a 1982 Tercel that reached
180k miles. On the day someone smashed into it at 70mph and killed it, I
cleaned my stuff out of the trunk before it was towed and found I had the
same unopened bottle of oil I'd placed there on the day I bought it. The
car
ran clean as a whistle at that age, with compression better than spec
across
all 4 cylinders.

An engineer could explain why the American designers can't seem to do
this.

Yeah, and the Japanese stuff never breaks down right? A good friend of mine
will not buy any other kind of vehicle other than a Toyota, always tells me
how great they are, buy conveniently forgets to mention that his 2002 Tundra
V8 had to have that camshaft replaced at less than 10,000 miles and his 2003
Rav 4 spends more time sitting at the dealers repair shop than in his
driveway.
My wife's 92 Ford Crown Victoria had 159,000 miles on it when we traded it
in on a 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis and it didn't burn a drop of oil between
changes. My sister in law has a 92 Chevy Astro van with a V6 in it that has
over 377,000 miles on it and not had a major break down.
Back in the 1970s and 1980s there was a lot of junk manufactured here but if
you haven't tried an US brand lately you might be surprised.

Jack Cassidy

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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they
drive
past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that mega-chain
run
Mom and Pop grocers out of business?

Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago.

Notice a pattern here?

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"RJ" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they
drive
past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that
mega-chain
run
Mom and Pop grocers out of business?

Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago.

Notice a pattern here?

Maybe a repeat performance, but a pattern would require the same reasons and
those reasons are NOT the same.

1) The mom & pop store of the 1940s wasn't much bigger than the convenience
store of today. Perhaps 3000-4000 square feet. You still find IGA and Red &
White stores that size in small towns, but there's no way they can carry the
variety of large supermarket chains. The newer, larger stores actually
offered something worthwhile to differentiate themselves. A Wal Mart store
does not, unless there was no modern supermarket in the area before they
arrived.

2) For a number of reasons, including but not limited to the acceptance of
immigrant cultures, and increased overseas travel, the American consumer
expects to see a huge assortment of foods which used to be considered ethnic
specialties. Large supermarkets did what mom & pop stores could not, unless
the smaller stores were in neighborhoods where they catered to a certain
group, like Hispanic or Middle Eastern customers. Again, Wal Mart does not
serve the function of the larger supermarkets in this regard. They may snag
the hobby shopper (like my sister in law) who doesn't mind visiting 3 stores
to complete her grocery shopping, but grocery biz data shows that more than
70% of shoppers don't have the time or patience for such nonsense.

If you really think about it, Wal Mart serves NO special function as a
grocery supplier, unless you're still under their advertising spell and you
think your groceries cost less there. They have no more leverage, and often
less than the 20 largest grocery chains & wholesalers.

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"Jack Cassidy" wrote in message
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My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in
Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an
American
car?

Tex


At this point (since Japanese cars are rarely made there any more), it
seems
to be a question of design and tolerances, and that apparently makes all
the
difference in the world. You don't say which Chrysler you have, but
chances
are good that it'll be burning oil by its second year. All Chrysler vans
do
that, without exception, and relatively new Neons also smell pretty
nasty
when you're driving behind one. A Toyota won't do that until 200k miles
unless you abuse the bejezus out of it. I had a 1982 Tercel that reached
180k miles. On the day someone smashed into it at 70mph and killed it, I
cleaned my stuff out of the trunk before it was towed and found I had
the
same unopened bottle of oil I'd placed there on the day I bought it. The
car
ran clean as a whistle at that age, with compression better than spec
across
all 4 cylinders.

An engineer could explain why the American designers can't seem to do
this.

Yeah, and the Japanese stuff never breaks down right? A good friend of
mine
will not buy any other kind of vehicle other than a Toyota, always tells
me
how great they are, buy conveniently forgets to mention that his 2002
Tundra
V8 had to have that camshaft replaced at less than 10,000 miles and his
2003
Rav 4 spends more time sitting at the dealers repair shop than in his
driveway.
My wife's 92 Ford Crown Victoria had 159,000 miles on it when we traded it
in on a 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis and it didn't burn a drop of oil
between
changes. My sister in law has a 92 Chevy Astro van with a V6 in it that
has
over 377,000 miles on it and not had a major break down.
Back in the 1970s and 1980s there was a lot of junk manufactured here but
if
you haven't tried an US brand lately you might be surprised.

Jack Cassidy

I had a '92 Taurus as a company car that wasn't TOO bad, except for the
various wires that melted every so often, the hood blanket that fell into
the belts and self-destructed, the two power steering pumps that died in the
first 20k miles, and the CV boots which deteriorated by 30k.

Of course all cars break down. But, thus far, my experience with Toyotas has
been that there are no mickey-mouse problems which make you feel like you've
been taken.

Even if Chevys & Chryslers could guarantee no breakdowns, I'd still have a
problem with their wretched exhausts. When a two year old car smells like a
30 year old Blazer, it means something about its contribution to lousy air
quality. All the major makers use CNC machining and can adjust tolerances as
tight as they like. But, they choose not to for economic reasons.

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Doug Kanter wrote:

"RJ" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Thompson" wrote in message
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It's truly very simple. If the customer wants the 413 gram box, they
drive
past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that
mega-chain
run
Mom and Pop grocers out of business?

Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago.

Notice a pattern here?

Maybe a repeat performance, but a pattern would require the same reasons and
those reasons are NOT the same.

Your reasons below are inaccurate because you interpreted my comments as
being only about supermarket competition. My point was that WalMart
grew as big as it is because it satisfied shoppers. When a better or
more interesting concept comes along, it will grow at the expense of
WalMart.

How could you imagine in the 1970s that WalMart could ever hope to grow
to compete with Sears, KMart and the like? Yet they did, and somebody
will supplant them in turn.

1) The mom & pop store of the 1940s wasn't much bigger than the convenience
store of today. Perhaps 3000-4000 square feet. You still find IGA and Red &
White stores that size in small towns, but there's no way they can carry the
variety of large supermarket chains. The newer, larger stores actually
offered something worthwhile to differentiate themselves. A Wal Mart store
does not, unless there was no modern supermarket in the area before they
arrived.

Wal-Mart is blamed for the demise of the 'little stores on Main Street'.

2) For a number of reasons, including but not limited to the acceptance of
immigrant cultures, and increased overseas travel, the American consumer
expects to see a huge assortment of foods which used to be considered ethnic
specialties.

The concept was invented first, and people liked it. Thus they got more
of it.

If you really think about it, Wal Mart serves NO special function as a
grocery supplier, unless you're still under their advertising spell and you
think your groceries cost less there. They have no more leverage, and often
less than the 20 largest grocery chains & wholesalers.

Then they're not a major competitor. What are you worried about?

By the way, I rarely shop at WalMart for anything any more. It used to
be a very well run enterprise but has fallen far since Sam Walton died.

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"RJ" wrote in message
. ..

drive
past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that
mega-chain
run
Mom and Pop grocers out of business?

Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago.

Notice a pattern here?

Maybe a repeat performance, but a pattern would require the same reasons
and
those reasons are NOT the same.

Your reasons below are inaccurate because you interpreted my comments as
being only about supermarket competition.

I focused on your mention of Loblaw's.

My point was that WalMart
grew as big as it is because it satisfied shoppers. When a better or
more interesting concept comes along, it will grow at the expense of
WalMart.

That's what's so odd: There IS no concept at Wal Mart. :-) If you believe
there is, can you describe or name it?


1) The mom & pop store of the 1940s wasn't much bigger than the
convenience
store of today. Perhaps 3000-4000 square feet. You still find IGA and
Red &
White stores that size in small towns, but there's no way they can carry
the
variety of large supermarket chains. The newer, larger stores actually
offered something worthwhile to differentiate themselves. A Wal Mart
store
does not, unless there was no modern supermarket in the area before they
arrived.

Wal-Mart is blamed for the demise of the 'little stores on Main Street'.

Is many small towns, they WERE the demise of smaller stores. In large
markets, supermarkets did them in, unless they offered something special.
Many still do.


2) For a number of reasons, including but not limited to the acceptance
of
immigrant cultures, and increased overseas travel, the American consumer
expects to see a huge assortment of foods which used to be considered
ethnic
specialties.

The concept was invented first, and people liked it. Thus they got more
of it.

Of course! But Wal Mart makes virtually no contribution, unless you think
the presence of salsa and chips on their shelves has great meaning to your
average Hispanic customer.


If you really think about it, Wal Mart serves NO special function as a
grocery supplier, unless you're still under their advertising spell and
you
think your groceries cost less there. They have no more leverage, and
often
less than the 20 largest grocery chains & wholesalers.

Then they're not a major competitor. What are you worried about?

I don't worry! :-) I'm simply saying that it's amazing how they suck people
in for absolutely no benefit whatsoever, at least in the grocery sector.

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You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.



oooh Harry, what a nasty response, but true.

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Hi Tex. Well, the Honda is Japanese and the Chrysler is German, so,
neither is American.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

"Tex Houston" wrote in message
...
My Chrysler was made in Mexico, my neighbor's Chrysler was made in Canada.
The two Hondas across the street were made in Ohio. What is an American
car?

Tex

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Doug Kanter wrote:

"RJ" wrote in message
. ..

drive
past Wally World and show up at Loblaw's. WAIT! Hasn't that
mega-chain
run
Mom and Pop grocers out of business?

Uh....yeah. thirty or forty years ago.

Notice a pattern here?

Maybe a repeat performance, but a pattern would require the same reasons
and
those reasons are NOT the same.

Your reasons below are inaccurate because you interpreted my comments as
being only about supermarket competition.

I focused on your mention of Loblaw's.

I didn't mention Loblaw's. That must have been somebody else.

My point was that WalMart
grew as big as it is because it satisfied shoppers. When a better or
more interesting concept comes along, it will grow at the expense of
WalMart.

That's what's so odd: There IS no concept at Wal Mart. :-) If you believe
there is, can you describe or name it?

A store with most of the mundane things you need day to day to run your
household. One stop to buy a wide variety of things. Open late, as
much as 24/7. How is that not a concept?

1) The mom & pop store of the 1940s wasn't much bigger than the
convenience
store of today. Perhaps 3000-4000 square feet. You still find IGA and
Red &
White stores that size in small towns, but there's no way they can carry
the
variety of large supermarket chains. The newer, larger stores actually
offered something worthwhile to differentiate themselves. A Wal Mart
store
does not, unless there wano modern supermarket in the area before they
arrived.

Wal-Mart is blamed for the demise of the 'little stores on Main Street'.

Is many small towns, they WERE the demise of smaller stores. In large
markets, supermarkets did them in, unless they offered something special.
Many still do.

I grew up in a time and place when the only shopping was the little
stores on Main Street. The predominant characteristics of shopping that
way were (1) limited choices, (2) high prices, (3) no returns (You have
a problem, see the manufacturer.) The discounters that came before
WalMart killed off main street.


2) For a number of reasons, including but not limited to the acceptance
of
immigrant cultures, and increased overseas travel, the American consumer
expects to see a huge assortment of foods which used to be considered
ethnic
specialties.

The concept was invented first, and people liked it. Thus they got more
of it.

Of course! But Wal Mart makes virtually no contribution, unless you think
the presence of salsa and chips on their shelves has great meaning to your
average Hispanic customer.

When a new supermarket chain builds new stores in a city where they
haven't been before, is that a contribution? Do you have to make a
contribution to compete?

If you really think about it, Wal Mart serves NO special function as a
grocery supplier, unless you're still under their advertising spell and
you
think your groceries cost less there. They have no more leverage, and
often
less than the 20 largest grocery chains & wholesalers.

Then they're not a major competitor. What are you worried about?

I don't worry! :-) I'm simply saying that it's amazing how they suck people
in for absolutely no benefit whatsoever, at least in the grocery sector.

You sound worried.

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And to get within that $20 at the local grocer, I have to use my "reward
card" and let them link my purchase to my name, address and phone number.

The grocers all claim that they are keeping this information confidential....
but for how long? Why would they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year
collecting it if it doesn't have some commercial value? The weak explanation
that often gets trotted out is that it allows stores to know what sort of
merchandise is turning fastest. Bullshirt. You can easily measure how fast
merchandise is turning without knowing the identities of the individuals who
bought it.

As it is right now, I surely believe that the FBI could get access to the
information without a subpeona under the Patriot Act.
That's the first breach in the dam.

Ten years from now, some poor slob will be dieing from coronary artery disease
and need an open heart operation. The US Insurance company (owned by WAlMART
and the only insurance company left) will
turn down the claim. Why? "Sorry, Mr. Missinbeats. Your condition is self
inflicted, and therefore not covered under your policy. We have examined your
grocery receipts for the last 15 years, and
you purchased 40% more butter and ice cream than the national average. Have a
nice (last) day."

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Arrogant Worms have a sketch about a Mountie getting accosted by US tourists:

"Where do you keep all those guns?"
"In our tank."
"You have a tank??"
"We didn't WALK here!"
"Where did you get a tank?"
"Wal-Mart"

("The Mountie Song" from Live Bait)

Lloyd Sumpter

Oh oh. There's a career killer for Arrogant Worms. Sheryl Crow CD's were
banished from WalMart for a time due to a similar, one-line reference to the
chain.

Wal Mart admits to ordering record companies to rejacket CD's that they feel
feature graphic elements not consistent with "approved American values" (where
*is* Skipper these days, anyway?). Won't be long until they insist on the right
to censor content, too.

Actually, my previous statement is not quite correct. All they do is inform the
record companies why they feel they need to protect their customers from this
CD cover or that, and suggest how if the cover were changed they would be happy
to order 3-million copies for WalMart stores.
They can't really demand a change, just economically force one.

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Gould 0738 wrote:

Arrogant Worms have a sketch about a Mountie getting accosted by US tourists:

"Where do you keep all those guns?"
"In our tank."
"You have a tank??"
"We didn't WALK here!"
"Where did you get a tank?"
"Wal-Mart"

("The Mountie Song" from Live Bait)

Lloyd Sumpter

Oh oh. There's a career killer for Arrogant Worms. Sheryl Crow CD's were
banished from WalMart for a time due to a similar, one-line reference to the
chain.

Wal Mart admits to ordering record companies to rejacket CD's that they feel
feature graphic elements not consistent with "approved American values" (where
*is* Skipper these days, anyway?). Won't be long until they insist on the right
to censor content, too.

Actually, my previous statement is not quite correct. All they do is inform the
record companies why they feel they need to protect their customers from this
CD cover or that, and suggest how if the cover were changed they would be happy
to order 3-million copies for WalMart stores.
They can't really demand a change, just economically force one.

I'm waiting for an interesting expose on Wal-Mart's pharmacies.



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Harry Krause wrote:

You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.

This quote from the Microsoft and Merc Optimax corporate whore.

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Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American. Perhaps at this rate we'll no longer be able to
buy anything American because we'll mostly be out of work Dell is now out
sourcing it's help line to India, seems there is no end in sight.
Paul

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...

What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to
foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on
a
staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the
competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will
it
do
to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job.
I
hope he'll support mine.
Paul

Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made.
Write
back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your
"American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those.

Steve

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-v-,
Somebody else opening a store at that point is like trying to go into
the car business today, DeLorian tried a couple others as well but it's hard
to compete against the big boys. Probably the only exception are those
intended for a small, rich, nitch market. The thing is can you match the
foreign labor rates to compete?
Paul

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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Chuck,
Correct, after they corner the market, they can charge what ever
they
like, they'll be no more competitors left.
Paul

Then somebody else will open another store. Its not like there is a
limited
supply of stores that can ever be opened.

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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:54:02 -0500, (RJ) wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:
My point was that WalMart
grew as big as it is because it satisfied shoppers. When a better or
more interesting concept comes along, it will grow at the expense of
WalMart.

That's what's so odd: There IS no concept at Wal Mart. :-) If you believe
there is, can you describe or name it?

A store with most of the mundane things you need day to day to run your
household. One stop to buy a wide variety of things. Open late, as
much as 24/7. How is that not a concept?

Yes! I shop Walmart mostly after midnight. It is the only place open when
I am able to shop during the busy season which has nearly all the things
I need, at prices much lower than other 24 hour stores.

Last time I was there, I bought groceries, some work shirts, and a stand
fan for my welding shop. The latter (same Chinese made fan) was $199 in
the MSC catalog, $99 in the Harbor Freight sale catalog, and $69 off the
shelf at the local Walmart. I can't ignore that sort of price difference, or
the immediacy and convenience of getting it when I need it.

Walmart doesn't sell everything I need, and it doesn't always have the
best price, but it has many of the things I need, the prices are always
reasonable (sometimes exceptional, see fan), and it is *open* when I
have time to shop. The latter is one of the most important factors to me.

I stopped shopping at the downtown stores about 25 years ago. They
were never open when it was convenient for me to shop, parking was
always a hassle, and their prices were always high. Mail order, and
Walmart, have been the solution to all of those issues.

As far as what Walmart pays its employees, Walmart isn't holding a
gun to their heads and forcing them to work at Walmart. Last I looked,
this is still a free country. If people don't think Walmart pays them a
fair wage, they don't have to work there. We're always begging for
farm labor, and there's a chronic shortage of construction laborers.
It isn't light work in a clean air conditioned box store, but no one is
guaranteed a high paying job as a box store clerk.

Gary

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Paul Schilter wrote:

Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.

Perhaps at this rate we'll no longer be able to
buy anything American because we'll mostly be out of work Dell is now out
sourcing it's help line to India, seems there is no end in sight.
Paul

"SteveB" wrote in message
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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...


What you say is true, but isn't it also the American way to buy
American? If we buy foreign, won't we have to match the wages paid to
foreign workers to stay competitive. What kind of Texan would do well on

a

staple diet of rice? What kind of boat could you afford with the
competitor's wages? It's nice to get the cheapest price, but what will

it

do

to America in the long run. I'll pay more to support my neighbor's job.

I

hope he'll support mine.
Paul

Go through your house. Toss everything that is not all 100% US made.

Write

back and tell us what you have left. Even a lot of parts you have on your
"American" Chevy or Ford were made out of the US. Don't forget those.

Steve

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Jonathan Ball wrote:

Paul Schilter wrote:

Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.

You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?
You think this nation will survive when the only jobs available are at
Wal-Mart or as a software pussy?

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Harry Krause wrote:

Jonathan Ball wrote:


Paul Schilter wrote:


Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.


You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.

You think this nation will survive when the only jobs available are at
Wal-Mart or as a software pussy?

Those won't be the only jobs. You are wrong to think
so; you demonstrate you don't know anything about
economics.

Not having much manufacturing capability doesn't seem
to be hurting the Swiss too much.

If you were able to think it through, which you plainly
are not, you would see that all jobs are service jobs.

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Don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, just make sure that adequate
competition remains in the retail field.


That very goose survives, in part, because of past actions to break up
mega-powerful corporations. Standard Oil, US Steel, AT&T, etc.

The free enterprise system thrives on competition. When a single entity becomes
so dominant in any field that it can dictate (rather than the marketplace
dictate) the entry conditions for competitors that free enterprise system is at
risk.

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Jonathan Ball wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Jonathan Ball wrote:


Paul Schilter wrote:


Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.


You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.


You're comparing tiny Switzerland to the United States? Now there's a
giggle for you. Besides, nearly half of the Swiss economy is based upon
manufacturing.




You think this nation will survive when the only jobs available are at
Wal-Mart or as a software pussy?

Those won't be the only jobs. You are wrong to think
so; you demonstrate you don't know anything about
economics.

Not having much manufacturing capability doesn't seem
to be hurting the Swiss too much.

If you were able to think it through, which you plainly
are not, you would see that all jobs are service jobs.


Ahh, yes. Tour guides and keeping Nazi money safe.



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Harry Krause wrote:

Jonathan Ball wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote:



Paul Schilter wrote:



Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.


You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.



You're comparing tiny Switzerland to the United States?

Yes.

Now there's a
giggle for you. Besides, nearly half of the Swiss economy is based upon
manufacturing.

No, it isn't.





You think this nation will survive when the only jobs available are at
Wal-Mart or as a software pussy?

Those won't be the only jobs. You are wrong to think
so; you demonstrate you don't know anything about
economics.

Not having much manufacturing capability doesn't seem
to be hurting the Swiss too much.

If you were able to think it through, which you plainly
are not, you would see that all jobs are service jobs.



Ahh, yes. Tour guides and keeping Nazi money safe.

Thanks for the frank admission you don't know what
you're talking about.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
You're comparing tiny Switzerland to the United States? Now there's a
giggle for you. Besides, nearly half of the Swiss economy is based upon
manufacturing.
GDP - composition by sector:
agricultu 2%
industry: 34%
services: 64% (2002 est.)

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On 27 Nov 2003 21:55:06 -0800, (Just In Time)
wrote:

Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!

Walmart has gotten too big and it uses its power to exert over us. No
one can blame Wal-Mart for being abusive afterall, it's us, the
consumers, who gave the power to them! We are irresponsible and greedy
because we want the cheapest prices! I have to admit that I am guilty
as well as I do shop occasionally at you know where! (but that's to
change from now on)
[...]
By the way, a little more about me, I am a Canadian Chinese, a
business owner (tech-related company and in no way, a supplier of
Wal-mart) and I don't own WMT stocks.

Please spread this word around, it's for our own good.

You do realize that grassroots efforts like this are basically futile
and if anything is to be done, it has to come from the top. This is
like asking people not to buy gas on Monday to protest high prices or
some oil company. It just doesn't do anything.

And as far as policies from the top are concerned, you don't have to
look much further than trade policies, business policies, and access to
the very top during the 90's which allowed Walmart to become the monster
it currently is.

Did you know that Hillary Clinton is a former lawyer for Walmart? That
she was on their board of directors for 8 years and that in 1999 15% of
the Clinton’s net worth is estimated to come from WalMart shares? Talk
about a conflict of interest!

Steve

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Tell Wenger & Victorinox that they don't manufacture anything.
Why is 'Made in Switzerland' stamped on my Swiss Army watch?

Jonathan Ball wrote in message news:1d7yb.21755

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"Karl Denninger" wrote in message
...
Shopping for groceries at WM, ex-meat (which I do not buy there); all
packaged products from major manufacturers - the same as in any other
store
- saves me EASILY $20 weekly on groceries.

And to get within that $20 at the local grocer, I have to use my "reward
card" and let them link my purchase to my name, address and phone number.


You use your real name, phone number and address on those "reward cards"?

Tex

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Jonathan Ball wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Jonathan Ball wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote:



Paul Schilter wrote:



Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.


You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.



You're comparing tiny Switzerland to the United States?

Yes.

Now there's a
giggle for you. Besides, nearly half of the Swiss economy is based upon
manufacturing.

No, it isn't.





You think this nation will survive when the only jobs available are at
Wal-Mart or as a software pussy?

Those won't be the only jobs. You are wrong to think
so; you demonstrate you don't know anything about
economics.

Not having much manufacturing capability doesn't seem
to be hurting the Swiss too much.

If you were able to think it through, which you plainly
are not, you would see that all jobs are service jobs.



Ahh, yes. Tour guides and keeping Nazi money safe.

Thanks for the frank admission you don't know what
you're talking about.


Thanks. Switzerland is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to
live there.

--
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Don White wrote:

Tell Wenger & Victorinox that they don't manufacture anything.
Why is 'Made in Switzerland' stamped on my Swiss Army watch?

Okay, that's two. Might not be enought for a GDP.

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"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...
You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.


WRONG! See: http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/homepage.htm

Tex

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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:28:43 +0000, RJ wrote:

Don White wrote:

Tell Wenger & Victorinox that they don't manufacture anything. Why is 'Made
in Switzerland' stamped on my Swiss Army watch?

Okay, that's two. Might not be enought for a GDP.

We went by a building one day and my friend said "they make plastic bags there".
At first I thought "geez, that's pretty trivial", but then I started thinking
about how many people use plastic bags. Even at $.01 per bag, that might add up
to quite an empire.

Anybody know how many "Swiss army knives" are sold each year?

I'm guessing that although there's few "big ticket items" from Switzerland,
there's quite a few little things, and they can add up...

Lloyd

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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:25:12 +0000, Tex Houston wrote:


"Karl Denninger" wrote in message
...
Shopping for groceries at WM, ex-meat (which I do not buy there); all packaged
products from major manufacturers - the same as in any other
store
- saves me EASILY $20 weekly on groceries.

And to get within that $20 at the local grocer, I have to use my "reward card"
and let them link my purchase to my name, address and phone number.


You use your real name, phone number and address on those "reward cards"?

Tex

He he...I'm guessing Bill Gates and Donald Duck have pretty big grocery bills...
;)

Lloyd

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Not having much manufacturing capability doesn't seem
to be hurting the Swiss too much.

My wife's family is Swiss.
Based upon what she observed on her last visit to her ancestral homeland, few
in the US would trade lifestyles with the rural Swiss.

Not every Swiss person is a banker in Geneva.

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"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
-v-,
Somebody else opening a store at that point is like trying to go into
the car business today,

Walmart did it to Kmart. Toyota did it to GM
Somebody else will come along one day and do it to Walmart.
If the government stays out of it and lets the market work.

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Don White wrote:

Tell Wenger & Victorinox that they don't manufacture anything.
Why is 'Made in Switzerland' stamped on my Swiss Army watch?

Don't be a twit. I didn't say they didn't manufacture
anything. What percentage of their economy depends on
manufacturing, and what major things do they
manufacture? You don't seriously believe they enjoy
one of the highest living standards in the world based
on the export pocketknives, do you?


Jonathan Ball wrote in message news:1d7yb.21755

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Harry Krause wrote:

Jonathan Ball wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote:



Harry Krause wrote:



Jonathan Ball wrote:




Paul Schilter wrote:




Steve,
I understand your point and you're right, clothes and electronics are
very hard to buy American.

Why would it be important to do so?
Nativist/protectionist sentiment is a bad thing.


You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.



You're comparing tiny Switzerland to the United States?

Yes.


Now there's a
giggle for you. Besides, nearly half of the Swiss economy is based upon
manufacturing.

No, it isn't.





You think this nation will survive when the only jobs available are at
Wal-Mart or as a software pussy?

Those won't be the only jobs. You are wrong to think
so; you demonstrate you don't know anything about
economics.

Not having much manufacturing capability doesn't seem
to be hurting the Swiss too much.

If you were able to think it through, which you plainly
are not, you would see that all jobs are service jobs.



Ahh, yes. Tour guides and keeping Nazi money safe.

Thanks for the frank admission you don't know what
you're talking about.



Thanks. Switzerland is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to
live there.

I have lived there, for a year, and I've visited
several times. It's an outstanding place.

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Tex Houston wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...

You don't think it important to have manufacturing capabilities?

No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.



WRONG! See: http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/homepage.htm

You couldn't buy one 767 for the price of Pilatus's
total sales in 2002. Their total sales, not their
profit, represents about $45 per Swiss resident.
Hardly a GDP-altering number.

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Charles wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:


You *really* are a corporate whore, Karen.


This quote from the Microsoft and Merc Optimax corporate whore.

-- Charlie


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I accept his personal abuse as confirmation they have no actual rejoinder.

They will do most anything save admit what they're about is limiting
your free choice. When govts start employing what??? 1 in 7??? of all
state workers, what's really happened is you right to choose all sorts
of things has been stolen.


K

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"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...
No. Switzerland doesn't manufacture cars, aircraft,
ships, consumer electronics, or much of anything else.
The Swiss live enviable lives and lifestyles.



WRONG! See: http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/homepage.htm

You couldn't buy one 767 for the price of Pilatus's
total sales in 2002. Their total sales, not their
profit, represents about $45 per Swiss resident.
Hardly a GDP-altering number.


What part of 'doesn't manufacture, cars, aircraft' did you not understand?

Tex

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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:55:20 +0000, Steven Shelikoff wrote:


Did you know that Hillary Clinton is a former lawyer for Walmart? That
she was on their board of directors for 8 years and that in 1999 15% of
the Clinton’s net worth is estimated to come from WalMart shares? Talk
about a conflict of interest!

Steve

And the conflict would be where?

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Harry Krause wrote:

I was born in 1944. My wife was born in 1962. Do the math, crap for
brains. And I agree, she is quite lovely. And for sure bathes more often
than you do.

Remember when that "lovely wife" of yours got so ****ed when she found
out what you were doing on the internet?

--Charlie


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