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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Kanter wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message ... Dave, do you ALSO think that the Swiss are innocent of all wrongdoing from WWII? Court documents aren't good enough for you? :-) I withhold any comment on the Swiss situation until I see more information. I was merely commenting on Harry's typical modus operandi, of making assumptions of someone simply because they hold a different political ideology, and then demonizing them based on his conjectures. Dave Well, the court proceedings took place throughout the 1990s. Plenty of information out there. If the court documents are too dense to wade through, as they usually are, search at one of the major newspapers. Judging from what I see, there is enough of a smoking gun, as to cast suspicion if nothing else. How this all relates to how the Swiss finance their economy, is open to wide speculation, and somewhat pointless for those of us who live in the U.S.. Dave |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message hlink.net... Lone Haranguer wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: jps wrote: Bull****, they collect tolls off of blood money. Prove it. http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from beginning to end. I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things like this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in: http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy. What "you think" is irrelevant. Ah, but what I think-and do-is far more relevant than what you think or do, and for reasons I won't get into in a newsgroup. Again, your opinion. You have no facts to substantiate that claim. The fact that you lace your bias with conceit, born from a nasty case of narcissism, is also telling. You're just right-wing trash, and in the course of human events, you and those who think and feel like you will end up on the discard pile. You're just left-wing trash, and in the course of human events, you and those who think and feel like you will end up on the discard pile. See how the game works yet? Dave |
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Jonathan Ball wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Doug Kanter wrote: "Jonathan Ball" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Lone Haranguer wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: jps wrote: Bull****, they collect tolls off of blood money. Prove it. http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.27H.swiss.pay.htm A an extremist radical propaganda site. It's crap from beginning to end. I'm not sure what you're having trouble believing, but perhaps things like this will snap you out of whatever trance you're in: http://www.nyed.uscourts.gov/IRURF.pdf Methinks Jonathan is a college freshman with a rich daddy. What "you think" is irrelevant. Ah, but what I think-and do-is far more relevant than what you think or do, and for reasons I won't get into in a newsgroup. I doubt it. Since you are too arrogant and/or scared to tell us why you think you are, I'll just consider your claim unsupported bull****. And you would be correct. Dave |
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Fred Ziffel wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:55:55 GMT, Dave Hall wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:54:34 GMT, Jonathan Ball wrote: Fred Ziffel wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:32:56 GMT, Jonathan Ball wrote: We used to make very high quality products too. We still do. We make those things where we have some comparative advantage. Increasingly, the things we make are not tangible. That doesn't make them any less valuable. Sorry, I've been listening to these same bull**** arguments for over 20 years, No, you clearly *haven't* been listening to them. You very clearly don't understand comparative advantage, and patterns of trade. You are economically illiterate. No, I'm not "economically illiterate," I just don't have my head up my ass, like you do. You are obviously a brainwashed fool who would deliberately destroy America with your idiotic theories about economics, theories that have absolutely no basis in reality. I'll leave you now so you can worship at the altar of "comparative advantage." But you might want to give the collum below a read when you are done saying your prayers to the gods of free trade. It may be enlightening. Fred Ziffel ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.unsustainable.org/view_art_un.asp?AID=291 Once again, another leftist is attempting to scare people by citing statistics and drawing an unrelated conclusion from it. And as true to form as ever, the author is quick to lay out the blame (and thereby exposing their not-so-hidden agenda), but offers not one bit of advice on how to "fix" it. "Another leftist?" "Unrelated conclusions?" "not-so-hidden agenda?" Care to be more specific? Perhaps you are exposing your own not-so-hidden agenda by being penultimately vague. Perhaps my "vagueness" is simply your inabilty to comprehend. One of the biggest reasons for a trade deficit are differences in economic standings. Bull****! Our industrial base has been largely closed down, exported, and sold off. And why do you think that is? We have been put at a disadvantage in our own market. By other country's economies which aren't as bloated as ours. It has nothing to do with "economic standing." It has EVRYTHING to do with it. The only reason we continue to get away with this insane situation is because the dollar is the worlds reserve currency (temporarily), and the financial fascists that run America can continue to inflate the money supply and give us the illusion of prosperity. You fail to consider that the economy is a roller coaster of ebbs and flows. The economy cannpt remain low, as the decline eventually spurs growth when the costs come down sufficiently again. And the cycle repeats. The US economy is recovering faster than much of the rest of the world. As such the U.S. dollar is failry strong. As long as the dollar remains strong there will be more imported goods than exports, simply because our money can buy more goods, while selling less compared to the currency in other countries. Everyone cries when the dollar devaluates, but that's exactly what needs to happen in order to equalize the trade situation. There are other factors to consider as well, but the last thing we need to do, is get the government involved with trying to regulate free trade. There are so many facets to the economy, that you might think that a ceratin "control" (such as a tariff) would have a short term goal of bolstering domestic production. But it could have damaging repercussions in other areas. What can be more damaging than to sacrifice a nations productive capacity, and the ownership of the entire nation, to the false gods of free trade. Forcing socialist governmental controls on it. Even Warren Buffet seems to agree with this author. Is he just "another leftist" drawing "unrelated conclusions" to promote his "not-so-hidden agenda?" Buffet has a known left leaning ideology. And what is Warren Buffet's solution you ask? ------------------------------ "The time to halt this trading of assets for consumables is now, and I have a plan to suggest for getting it done. My remedy may sound gimmicky, and in truth it is a tariff called by another name. But this is a tariff that retains most free-market virtues, neither protecting specific industries nor punishing specific countries nor encouraging trade wars. This plan would increase our exports and might well lead to increased overall world trade. And it would balance our books without there being a significant decline in the value of the dollar, which I believe is otherwise almost certain to occur. We would achieve this balance by issuing what I will call Import Certificates (ICs) to all U.S. exporters in an amount equal to the dollar value of their exports. Each exporter would, in turn, sell the ICs to parties -- either exporters abroad or importers here -- wanting to get goods into the U.S. To import $1 million of goods, for example, an importer would need ICs that were the byproduct of $1 million of exports. The inevitable result: trade balance. Because our exports total about $80 billion a month, ICs would be issued in huge, equivalent quantities -- that is, 80 billion certificates a month -- and would surely trade in an exceptionally liquid market. Competition would then determine who among those parties wanting to sell to us would buy the certificates and how much they would pay. (I visualize that the certificates would be issued with a short life, possibly of six months, so that speculators would be discouraged from accumulating them.)" ------------------------------------- So, it seems that the second wealthiest man in the world believes that it is time for the US to implement TARIFFS to solve the trade deficit problem. So what? The first richest man in the world has convinced the majority of people that the blue screen of death is "normal". Tariffs are fine if you can convince your trade partners to agree to them. Have you been monitoring the steel tariff situation? We can impose anything we want. But other countries can counter as well. So, who should we believe. On one hand, we have Eamonn Fingleton: Internationally respected author, former editor of the Financial Times and Forbes, who's commentaries appear in many major American publications. And seemingly standing shoulder to shoulder with him is Warren Buffet, internationally known and respected investor and the second wealthiest man in the world. On the other hand, we have usenet posters like Dave Hall, Jonathan Ball, and many others, who stubbornly cling to their failed globalist, internationalits, and free trade theolegy like a drowning man clings to a sinking life boat. We have history to guide us. The economy has ebbed and flowed many times over the years. This is no exception. The great depression followed a period of robust growth. This is again no different. What IS different is that, like it or not, we are now a global economy. We can either futilely fight this trend, or we can adjust to it, and work it to our advantage. But trying to bully the rest of the world, isn't going to help us in the long run. Dave |
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Interesting reference to our new "Wal Mart Economy" in this item:
Article written by Rick Bender, Nov. 2003. Two years after the official end of the recession, and the beginning of the so-called recovery, the economic fault lines in our state continue to shake. On a national “Richter Scale� report of economic indicators, Washington state measures 4.4, joining 29 other states with scores of 4 or more on the scale. The indicators include fundamental benchmarks on unemployment, poverty, health care coverage, personal bankruptcies and household income. Unemployment in our state has grown 2.1 percent since January 2001, when the rate was 5.5 percent. Finding new jobs is tough for Washington’s unemployed workers. In September, close to 40 percent of those who had exhausted their benefits, had not found work by the time their unemployment checks ran out. Staggering job losses, particularly in Washington’s manufacturing and information sectors, created our high unemployment rate. We’ve lost 69,800 jobs between January 2001 and September 2003. What is so worrisome about this loss is that these were high-quality, family-wage jobs with decent health benefits. The new jobs being created in our “Wal-Mart� economy are low-wage, dead-end jobs with no decent benefits. All jobs are NOT created equal! Other worrisome economic indicators measured on this “Richter Scale� shows health care coverage becoming a big problem, with the share of uninsured Washingtonians increasing by 100,000 residents in the last couple of years. Another measure is the poverty rate which is creeping upwards, along with the rate of personal bankruptcies. It is no coincidence that the single biggest cause for personal bankruptcy is not reckless consumer purchasing, but expensive medical bills. It is cold comfort to know that Washington isn’t alone with these problems. In fact, the states with the highest “Richter Scale� scores are North Carolina and Mississippi. This dismal outcome shows the folly of pursuing a low-wage, low-standards and low-road approach. Indeed what is striking across the entire country is the pain in the falling standard of living for all of working America. Median household income actually declined in 38 states between 2000 and 2002. Washington was one of only 13 states to see a tiny increase in household income, up a grand total of $388. And we may soon see that small advantage disappear. There’s trouble ahead. In January, new unemployment insurance rules will force a cut in jobless benefits. Unemployed workers who didn’t work the exact same number of hours every week may get benefit cuts of up to $200 a week. The new “four-quarter averaging� formula for calculating benefits which was backed by the business lobby in Olympia, will create a further erosion of the living standards for the most vulnerable Washington workers -- those who are trying to find a job in this lousy economy. Our top priority should be improving our economy by putting people back to work. Claims of recovery based on stock market tickers and fancy economic statistics don’t tell the true story of what’s happening in our state and national economy. Cheerleading about the economy won’t do the trick. Job cuts in October this year reached their highest level in the past 12 months, with businesses announcing 171,874 few workers working, a 125% increase from the September cut of 76,506 jobs. To create a real economic recovery, we need to get people working in decent family wage jobs with decent health benefits. That’s the only way to achieve a return to the economic health of the 1990’s, when we had a state economy that was the envy of every other state in the nation. |
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jps, hate-filled race-baiting bigot, wrote:
In article k.net, says... Actually, idiot, I've spent a bit of time there myself. Unlike you, however, I had my eyes opened to their history and place in the world. Cut the ****. You were on a package tour. You saw the covered bridge in Luzern and falsely concluded you "know" Swiss history. You don't know anything. I have friends who live in a 400 year old house heated by a yurt No. A yurt is not a heating apparatus. outside of Beatenberg, opposite Interlochen. He's a scientist who lives and works where he pleases. Good for him. You have no adult friends there. False. I have half a dozen adult friends there. You were an exchange student living in luxury in the Zurich or Geneva? Not luxury. It was a comfortable middle class family. The father was an engineer specializing in dam construction; he worked on the Grand Dixence dam, among others. In order to head off your inevitable unfounded charge of anti-semitism, I'm quite confident no forced Jewish labor was used in the construction of the dam. I never accused Switzerland of forced labor, You'll get around to it, bigoted race-baiter. just participating in the holocaust loot that the Furer and his minions gave to the Swiss for safe keeping. No doubt that and other stolen, unclaimed property has helped float the Swiss economy over the last 60 years. Both before and after my stay with them, the family lived in Iran, where he also worked on dam construction. You, being a paranoid bigot, probably see that as evidence of anti-semitism. You are a fool in addition to being a loathsome bigot. And you're a blowhard know nothing. Nope. I am knowledgable. You'll just have to take my word for it. |
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In article k.net, says... This guy is a loudmouthed fool whose references are as paper thin as whatever foreskins he's got. Ask him about Switzerland or the Employment Policy Foundation and you'll find him a font of misinformation. Answer the question, bigoted punk: are the facts about who earns minimum wage, and for how long, correct or not? Show competing conclusions, if you have any (heh heh heh). Go learn for yourself without the right wing spin... http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswp2000.htm I read it; I answered it. It support the research conclusions I posted: as people get older, their wages go up, and in fact almost no one is trying to support a family on poverty-level wages or less. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised, so like the lockstep little Stalinist you are, you try to rewrite the past. Doesn't work. [...] |
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Jonathan Ball wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, but to what end? So I can play in the mud with a right-wing pig like you? There's nothing to be gained. Some years ago, *I* coined a term, and I did coin it. The term is "Konservatrash." The shoe fits you perfectly. There isn't one idea you've posited here that is either your own or worth discussing. It is all right-wing trash, liberally sprinkled with the latest right-wing gimmick of calling any who disagree with your idiocy "hate-filled." Sorry. No purpose in getting into the muck with the likes of you. I don't want to come out of the mud smelling like a right-wing pig. , so like the lockstep little Stalinist you are, you try to rewrite the past. Stalinist? Moi? Hehehehe. You really are a twerp. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Harry Krause wrote: Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, but to what end? So I can play in the mud with a right-wing pig like you? There's nothing to be gained. Some years ago, *I* coined a term, and I did coin it. The term is "Konservatrash." The shoe fits you perfectly. There isn't one idea you've posited here that is either your own or worth discussing. It is all right-wing trash, liberally sprinkled with the latest right-wing gimmick of calling any who disagree with your idiocy "hate-filled." Oh, I too can address *any* issue you raise, but to what end? So I can play in the puss with a knee jerk left-wing sexist women-hater asshole like you? There's nothing to be gained. *I* coined the word libratrash, and *I* did coin it. And the shoe fits you perfectly. There isn't one idea you've posited here that is either your own or worth discussing. It is all left-wing liberal trash, liberally sprinkled with the latest left-wing gimmick of calling any who disagrees with your idiocy "Konservatrash." -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, No, you can't. That's why you snipped it out and ran away. |
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Jonathan Ball wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, No, you can't. That's why you snipped it out and ran away. Uh-huh. There's no reason to get down in the sea of muck with the likes of you. You're just Konservatrash. Worthless. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, No, you can't. That's why you snipped it out and ran away. Uh-huh. There's no reason to get down in the sea of muck with the likes of you. Oh, just maybe to protect your honor, to show you aren't afraid. But you have no honor, and you are a coward, as well as a liar and a complete asshole. |
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Jonathan Ball wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, No, you can't. That's why you snipped it out and ran away. Uh-huh. There's no reason to get down in the sea of muck with the likes of you. Oh, just maybe to protect your honor, to show you aren't afraid. But you have no honor, and you are a coward, as well as a liar and a complete asshole. Afraid? Of a piece of crap like you? Stop flattering yourself. You're a doctrinaire rightie; there isn't a thought in your head Ayn Rand hasn't puked onto the printed page. Go play with your dittohead buddies. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jonathan Ball wrote: (10,000 words of self-righteous nonsense from Ball deleted) Can't address the issues raised Oh, I can address *any* issue you raise, No, you can't. That's why you snipped it out and ran away. Uh-huh. There's no reason to get down in the sea of muck with the likes of you. Oh, just maybe to protect your honor, to show you aren't afraid. But you have no honor, and you are a coward, as well as a liar and a complete asshole. Afraid? Yes, little Harry. Afraid. Very afraid. You're afraid of the issues. |
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 05:34:37 GMT, Fred Ziffel wrote:
Bull****! Our industrial base has been largely closed down, exported, and sold off. We have been put at a disadvantage in our own market. If that were true (it isn't) how do you explain that the value of US manufactured goods has increased 12.7% since 1997? (Source http://www.nemw.org/mfgfact.htm ) If our industrial base has been largely closed down, who is making those products? It has nothing to do with "economic standing." The only reason we continue to get away with this insane situation is because the dollar is the worlds reserve currency (temporarily), and the financial fascists that run America can continue to inflate the money supply and give us the illusion of prosperity. Inflation? The US inflation rate for November was -4.2%. In other words, there is no inflation, we're still experiencing *deflation*. The CPI shows an overall decline since 1993. See http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOu...=C U_cpibrief Even Warren Buffet seems to agree with this author. Is he just "another leftist" drawing "unrelated conclusions" to promote his "not-so-hidden agenda?" snip Because our exports total about $80 billion a month, ICs would be issued in huge, equivalent quantities -- that is, 80 billion certificates a month -- and would surely trade in an exceptionally liquid market. Buffet is a securities trader, so of course he'd favor another way of paper trading. Money in his pocket. But it would just be another layer of middlemen profiting on trade, without any benefit to either producer or consumer. Gary |
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Fred Ziffel wrote:
No, you fail to consider that we are being subjugated by a fraudulent, debt-based fiat money system that requires periodic recessions to cause enough bankruptcy to clear the excessive debt created. Which resets the economy. Otherwise inflation would grow virtually unchecked. Think about this: Why do people deserve raises every year for doing the same exact job? If there were not a cost of living increase (inflation), the only reason a person should get a raise is due to promotion. Yet, workers seem to feel that they are entitled to a raise every year (above the current COL index). What do you thing this practice does to the bottom line, and the rate of inflation? What can be more damaging than to sacrifice a nations productive capacity, and the ownership of the entire nation, to the false gods of free trade. Forcing socialist governmental controls on it. Nothing socialist about tariffs. They were being used long before socialism was ever created. Socialism saw it's first roots in, of all places, Plymouth Rock. But be that as it may, if you do not allow trade to equalize the market, you will continue to have inequality in it. It sounds bad for us, who have lived in an economic situation of rampant inflation, which has pushed up both our wages and costs. But much of the rest of the world has not kept pace with us in this area, and that's why we have the outsourcing problem that we have today. The only true way to solve this problem is to equalize the standard of living throughout the rest of the world. Then there would be no incentive to outsource. Buffet has a known left leaning ideology. So, since Pat Buchanan is in favor of some kind of tariff, does that make him a leftist? Perhaps anyone who disagrees with "Dave" is automatically a leftist. Buffet has been labeled as left leaning. Calling me names won't change that. So, it seems that the second wealthiest man in the world believes that it is time for the US to implement TARIFFS to solve the trade deficit problem. So what? The first richest man in the world has convinced the majority of people that the blue screen of death is "normal". Tariffs are fine if you can convince your trade partners to agree to them. Have you been monitoring the steel tariff situation? We can impose anything we want. But other countries can counter as well. We don't have to convince our trading partners of anything. We can impose whatever tariffs we want. Do the math Dave. The trade defecit exceeds 50% of our total exports. I think maybe we'd be better off not even trading! We're loosing money and depleating our assets! So what are you going to do, when in response to our protectionist tariffs, our trading partners impose tariffs and sanctions of their own? We can't force the rest of the world to do business with us, unless we have something the rest of the world wants more than the goods they offer us. In case you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. doesn't make much here anymore. We are no longer in the position of holding the rest of the world economically hostage to our demands. We have history to guide us. The economy has ebbed and flowed many times over the years. This is no exception. The great depression followed a period of robust growth. This is again no different. What IS different is that, like it or not, we are now a global economy. We can either futilely fight this trend, or we can adjust to it, and work it to our advantage. But trying to bully the rest of the world, isn't going to help us in the long run. Dave Thats right Dave, we do have history to guide us. America became a wealthy, modern industrial nation protected behind a high wall of tariffs. Yes, we needed tariffs so that our fledgling industries could compete with established producers in Europe. Once we could become competative, the tariffs were no longer needed. We became wealthy BECAUSE of the tariffs, not in spite of them. Yes, and some could argue that our current disparity in living standard and inflation with WRT the rest of the world is at least partially the result of those actions. Following the religion you espouse has resulted in a declining standard of living for millions of Americans, is transfering our high tech jewels to the Japanese and other foreigners, and is making us as a nation poorer. It's a wake up call. We have been used to living in a living standard bubble. We certainly adjusted to it fine enough. But compared to much of the rest of the world, we are hopelessly bloated. Its always been a global economy Dave. Its just that before we always protected our interests. No, it's not the same thing. Yes, we traded with other "global" partners, but our corporations were 100% U.S. owned and operated. Today, the fact that the corporate headquarters of a particular company may sit in the U.S., much of the infrastructure is in other countries, and many of the employees are foreigners as well. Much of the profit for those companies are spread out over the world. If the U.S. starts adopting policies such as tariffs, it may only give greater incentive to further divorce companies from our soil. It doesn't cost much to relocate to a place like Bermuda (Tyco) or the Bhamas, and the company would be free to trade with other countries, wihout the restrictions of the U.S. government. Now, because of the head-up-the-ass "free trade" ideas that you are promoting, we are depleating our wealth and destroying our capacity to maintain a middle class and a high standard of living for the majority of Americans. Head up the ass? Hardly. I just see the writing on the wall. We can either fight the trends, and face certain failure, or we can adjust and adapt to them, and find ways to take advantage of our assets. You are not going to turn the clock back, and the rest of the world doesn't want that either. But apparently thats all OK with you, because you belong to the "I've Got Mine Club." Dave's got his, **** everybody else. Your emotions are getting the best of you. Try being a little more objective. We are part of a world market, like it or not. We are not in the position to call all the shots anymore. We can either play by a set of rules that everyone can accept, or we can try to go it alone. Which seems to be the better choice in the long run? Dave |
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says... jps, hate-filled race-baiting bigot, wrote: In article .net, says... If they'd cleared it all up in 1948, it would've been fair to say that it was over. But, legal proceedings were still going on until just a couple of years ago, which was proven with a link to court documents. At that point, you failed to say "Oh...OK....fine. I was mistaken". The FIRST link someone posted for you was from what you considered an unreliable or biased source. The SECOND one, which I posted, was a direct source of information. Not that I've straightened this out for you, do you still believe the Swiss did NOT hang onto assets which belonged to Holocaust victims? I never believed it; yours is an invalid complex question. Then do you assume that Swiss participation in hiding and holding (and plundering unclaimed portions) of both holocaust victims assets deposited in Swiss accounts and illegally derived assets has not and still does not contribute to the health and prosperity of the Swiss economic system? Extremely little. Then you'd be wrong. It's a major industry for them. Attracts stolen money and good from the world over. |
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In article k.net, says... jps wrote: The Olin *Foundation* does not own a munitions factory. No, the Olin family owns both the munitions factory and the Olin Foundation Little nebbishball. Show us the deed. LZ |
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"jps" wrote in message ... In article k.net, says... jps, hate-filled race-baiting bigot, wrote: In article , says... Harry Krause wrote: I'm in downtown DC several days a week. As I walk from one appointment to another, I usually encounter some homeless or otherwise visibly impoverished people. A high percentage of these folks are mentally unbalanced, and some seem to be suffering from schizophrenia. Apparently you are unaware that it was the social theories of liberals who closed mental hospitals and turned those people out to the streets. Golly, that's the first I've heard that Ronny Raygun was a liberal. It had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan, your former president. It began long before he was president. It's a garden variety lie of the left that he "caused" homelessness. It was the Kennedy administration that began a policy to get crazies out of state mental hospitals and back into the communities. I beg to differ. Reagan took what was a system in transition and doomed it to failure... From a recent ABC news report: This group bulged in size, largely due to a deliberate process of "deinstitutionalization" first begun in the 1950s. A patient's best interest, mental health experts then agreed, was served not so much by long-term residential care, as by community outpatient treatment. As a result, the number of resident mental health patients in the U.S. dropped from 559,000 in 1955 to only 54,000 in 2000, Manderscheid reports. But the community outpatient care system that mental health providers had hoped to build failed to blossom. A federal grant helped construct about 750 new community health centers between 1963 and 1978; but when the Reagan administration converted remaining funding into block grants to states, most opted to finance currently existing mental health centers, rather than build new ones. According to Manderscheid, the envisioned community mental health system "froze at that point in time." Why is it's Reagan's fault. He gave the states some funding, they abused it. Where is it the Federal governments job to fund state mental health programs? Did the Fed's fund the state hospitals? Don't use logic on JPS. It just confuses him. LZ |
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Lone Haranguer wrote:
jps wrote: In article k.net, says... jps, hate-filled race-baiting bigot, wrote: In article , says... Harry Krause wrote: I'm in downtown DC several days a week. As I walk from one appointment to another, I usually encounter some homeless or otherwise visibly impoverished people. A high percentage of these folks are mentally unbalanced, and some seem to be suffering from schizophrenia. Apparently you are unaware that it was the social theories of liberals who closed mental hospitals and turned those people out to the streets. Golly, that's the first I've heard that Ronny Raygun was a liberal. It had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan, your former president. It began long before he was president. It's a garden variety lie of the left that he "caused" homelessness. It was the Kennedy administration that began a policy to get crazies out of state mental hospitals and back into the communities. I beg to differ. Reagan took what was a system in transition and doomed it to failure... From a recent ABC news report: This group bulged in size, largely due to a deliberate process of "deinstitutionalization" first begun in the 1950s. A patient's best interest, mental health experts then agreed, was served not so much by long-term residential care, as by community outpatient treatment. As a result, the number of resident mental health patients in the U.S. dropped from 559,000 in 1955 to only 54,000 in 2000, Manderscheid reports. But the community outpatient care system that mental health providers had hoped to build failed to blossom. A federal grant helped construct about 750 new community health centers between 1963 and 1978; but when the Reagan administration converted remaining funding into block grants to states, most opted to finance currently existing mental health centers, rather than build new ones. According to Manderscheid, the envisioned community mental health system "froze at that point in time." The psychiatric ER stepped in to fill the gap in community mental health care. Variously described as a place patients choose over prison or a homeless shelter, or where social service agencies "dump" their toughest cases, the psychiatric ER can play a recurring role in a patient's behavioral pattern or disease cycle and is often the last line of defense for repeat patients known as "frequent fliers." As deinstitutionalization continued, releasing many of the mentally ill to their hometowns, large numbers discovered they lacked families and communities willing or able to care for them. Now homeless, unemployed and uninsured, any health crisis brought them to the steps of the ER =3F the one place that cannot turn them away. According to logic, you should blame the states for diverting the money, not Reagan for making the funds available in a different format. Ah, but where's the emotional satisfaction in that? Lying hate-blinded ideologues like 'jps' NEED devils with names and faces to blame for what they falsely consider to be injustice. Nitwit. LZ |
Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
jps wrote:
In article k.net, says... You just fall completely flat trying to sound like a caring capitalist. Fact is, it makes you look like the selfish asshole you are and you can't stand it. I'm in business to make money but not without helping the people who work for my company also earn a living wage and ensuring them access to first class medical insurance. You go ahead and **** people to your heart's content. Hope you don't believe in an afterlife and you've got a good therapist -- or, alternatively, someone you screw punches you in the nose for being a heartless *******. But if you trample people and get rich, you can be a caring philanthropist like Bill Gates. That should buy several tickets into heaven, right? LZ |
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Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
jps wrote:
In article . net, says... Most people with a ****ing brain would consider this an acceptable trade off. That means that 97.8% of the employed people are being paid a living wage instead of an unacceptable percentage living in poverty. No, it doesn't. A lot of them are laid off and find work in other jobs right away, at no better wage than they had. Then we're not doing a very good job at training them for making a wage that'd keep them out of jobs that cannot provide a living wage. I'd rather have the training problem than the poverty issue any day. It doesn't surprise me you don't understand since your team's only real concern is making certain corporate profits are maximized. Hey poopsy! Corporate America would like nothing better than to have a large pool of trained workers to draw from. Whose fault is it that such a pool doesn't exist? Our public schools? Delinquent parents? Lack of ambition? Or is this Corporate America's fault? If anyone needs a kick in the shorts it's parents and the NEA. LZ |
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Lone Haranguer wrote:
jps wrote: In article k.net, says... You just fall completely flat trying to sound like a caring capitalist. Fact is, it makes you look like the selfish asshole you are and you can't stand it. I'm in business to make money but not without helping the people who work for my company also earn a living wage and ensuring them access to first class medical insurance. You go ahead and **** people to your heart's content. Hope you don't believe in an afterlife and you've got a good therapist -- or, alternatively, someone you screw punches you in the nose for being a heartless *******. But if you trample people and get rich, you can be a caring philanthropist like Bill Gates. That should buy several tickets into heaven, right? I'm not apologist for Gates, but there is ample evidence that he got Microsoft, and himself, to where they are by developing superior products, and by legally exploiting a phenomenon called network economies. Some economists - oooh, dirty word to 'jps' - showed some years ago that, contrary to public belief, Microsoft non-OS products attained market dominance through performance and feature superiority, not by riding on the coattails of the company's OS dominance. They showed this by looking at trade publication reviews of Microsoft software available for non-Microsoft OS platforms, mostly Macintosh, where Microsoft's non-OS products would not enjoy any coattail effect. Microsoft products consistently were rated very highly. Network economies, something the illiterate 'jps' knows nothing about, occur when having everyone on the same platform eliminates some sizable transaction costs. If everyone is using Excel, you don't need to worry about the compatibility of a file between Excel and 1-2-3. Microsoft got huge *mostly* through legitimate means. They probably are guilty, though, of some specific anti-trust violations that helped them get even bigger. The legitimate growth dwarfs the illegal part. 'jps' and Harry Dumbo Krause just don't like Microsoft because they're big business, and as accomplishment-free whiners, they feel they have no choice but to hate the accomplished. |
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Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
"Lone Haranguer" wrote
Probably Republican Pioneers or Rangers. Scum. Hey poopsy! How much combat time do you have? Any? Uh, may need to adjust your hair-trigger. I believe the "Republican Pioneers or Rangers" refers solely to the very marketable sobriquets the Elect Bush camp have used to describe their mega-donors. -- Toucan Be heard. Spread the word. http://www.YouSaidit.org An experiment in hypermedia Democracy |
Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
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says... jps wrote: In article k.net, says... jps wrote: The Olin *Foundation* does not own a munitions factory. No, the Olin family owns both the munitions factory and the Olin Foundation Little nebbishball. Show us the deed. LZ Here, find it for yourself. I don't need to spoon feed you. http://www.cursor.org/about/themoney.php |
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Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
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Say NO NO NO to Wal-Mart!!!
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says... jps wrote: In article k.net, says... You just fall completely flat trying to sound like a caring capitalist. Fact is, it makes you look like the selfish asshole you are and you can't stand it. I'm in business to make money but not without helping the people who work for my company also earn a living wage and ensuring them access to first class medical insurance. You go ahead and **** people to your heart's content. Hope you don't believe in an afterlife and you've got a good therapist -- or, alternatively, someone you screw punches you in the nose for being a heartless *******. But if you trample people and get rich, you can be a caring philanthropist like Bill Gates. That should buy several tickets into heaven, right? LZ Bill is obviously soothing his sole the same way Carnegie did. Thank God someone is doing something about people who'd be forgotten otherwise. Bush's promise to fully fund AIDS research was a complete ****ing lie. That said, please tell me how Bill enslaved people at the company store and made them work for slave wages or no wages at all... Personally, I don't give a **** about heaven because I think this is it. Like any decent guest, I'm trying to leave the place better than I found it. jps |
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jps wrote:
In article . net, says... Why is it's Reagan's fault. He gave the states some funding, they abused it. Where is it the Federal governments job to fund state mental health programs? Did the Fed's fund the state hospitals? Please Bill...it's the same tactic Bush just tried to employ in his effort to dismantle Head Start. The first thing is to give the money to the states and let them administrate it. Second thing is the state decides to use the money for something else since neither crazy nor poor people have much of a voice in our "democracy." It's up to decent citizens to demand our society treats the mentally ill and infirmed in a humane fashion. What a dummkopf! Those same decent citizens didn't elect those who run their state? People can't trust their state officials to do the right thing so it has to come down as a command from Washington? Fortunately, Bush's plan was thwarted by an onslaught of people who saw through his transparent agenda. So you don't trust your state government to be humane to mentally ill and the infirm but you trust the bureaucrats in Washington? Power to the people. Sounds to me like you are taking power from the people and shipping it to Washington. Are you on dope? LZ |
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